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I think how the faster car approaches it also had some bearing on whether to let them past and how easy youmake it. For example using next weeks race at Bathurst, if a way faster car was to catch me through skyline and just waits until the conrod I will move to the left and let them past. However if they roll up behind flashing lights/weaving/ sticking their nose in places it shouldnt be then my car just may be a little wider on conrod. To get courtesy they must earn it...its not a given
 
It's just clear from this conversation who among us frequently hold up faster drivers and defend it to themselves with cognitive dissonance, and who of us don't need to. A quick KudosPrime visit confirmed my suspicions.

As an A+ driver I personally won't take advise from people who never graduated out of DR: B, but thanks for the discourse anyway guys.

:lol:

Right, its not advice it would be the rules.

See the thing is with dr is you have to play sport mode. Your now making assumptions, I would gladly add you to my friends list to compare times ;).

You dont have to have a A+ dr to understand race craft and racing rules, its quite clear that you also dont have to understand racecraft and racing rules to have a A+ dr

many times when I had to (gently) shove someone out of my way.


Edit: how entitled do you sound I have an A+ dr rating therefore my advice is worth more :lol:
 
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Should be pretty obvious, but its incredible what difference a proper controller (layout) makes. Was driving with a cheap controller from gamestop, switched today to a proper PS4 controller and started to use the stick to accelerate - cut my best time on Nürburgring by almost 2 second within 10 minutes.

Right after I had probably my most thrilling race yet, battled for pretty much the whole 9 laps with a Ferrari for second place. He was slightly faster, but took the wrong pit strategy, so for the last 3 laps I was narrowly ahead and managed to hold 2nd place till the end.

Had an interesting discussion with him, since he claimed it would have been more sportsmanlike to let him pass since he was clearly faster. This is my first racing game in a long time, is it considered unsportsmanlike to not let a faster driver pass?
Unsportsmanlike, if you do it properly, no, it’s not unsportsmanlike. Whether it’s wise or not, that’s another question.

If someone is behind you and trying to pass, you are allowed to take whatever line you want, as long as you go there first. You cannot drive looking in your mirror, and swerve to block someone who has chosen a different line than you (technically in things like F1 you can, but since you’re not Verstappen, leave that to the pros).

The best strategy is usually for the lead driver to just stay on the racing line, which forces the overtaking driver to use a non-racing line (which is usually slower, hence it’s not the racing line). Where this changes is braking into a corner. If the attacker can get alongside you and out brake you into a corner, they’ll probably overtake you. In these situations, the defensive strategy is to pre-emptively place your car in a way that makes in impossible for the attacker to get an inside line on you. Remember though, you must take this inside line away before the attacker places their car there, not afterwards.

Taking away the inside line will force the attacker to try around the outside, which is a high risk maneuver. If someone can overtake you around the outside, usually the deserve it, and it’s a sign that they were much faster than you.

So, as a defender, you are allowed one, pre-emptive defensive move to take away the inside line. After you make a defensive move to the inside, you are allowed to then make one more move back towards the racing line to set up for the approaching corner. Many people confuse this as a double move, which it is not. If the attacking driver has drawn alongside you on the outside, you must leave them enough space, but you are absolutely allowed to move towards the racing line after you have made a move to cover the inside.


All of this weaving off the racing line is slow though. Slow for you and the other person. So this is why you have to decide, is it worth it to go defensive against a particular person.

If they are seconds per lap faster than you, like a Merc F1 car vs a Williams F1 car, by going defensive, you’re just delaying the inevitable. By being defensive, you will lose time to other drivers on the circuit who are not battling wheel to wheel. Furthermore, you may aggravate the faster driver, who may end up making an over ambitious move where you come off worse. It’s not right for them to do it, but whether or not they get a penalty, your race gets screwed.

Time of the race matters as well. If it’s near the start of the race, it’s usually not considered wise to battle for position really hard, as it ends up costing you time in the long run. During pit stop cycles, you want to avoid battling people, as this will slow you down and leave you vulnerable to people using pit strategy to get past you. If it’s the end of the race though and you’re fighting for position, that’s when you get the elbows out and make your car as wide as possible.

Edit: btw, I’ve been racing in sims and watching racing for more than a few years, so know a thing or two about defensive driving. Just got GTS less than a month ago, haven’t put tons of time into Sport mode, so my DR isn’t great :p
 
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Correct so as long as blocking isn’t occuring running your opponent out of room, compromising entries and exits within the letter of leaving fair racing room, means that it is entirely possible to keep a much faster driver behind you.
Agreed. I wouldn't block a faster driver on a straightaway, but in a turn, I will use the entry and exit that I normally do, whether he prefers the same line or not. He can try a different line to get by, or get a better exit, in which case he's free to go by on the straight.
 
Next week has just appeared on KudosPrime.

Race A - Brands Hatch (Grp X)
Race B - Dragon Trail Seaside (Grp 4)
Race C - Mount Panormama (Grp 3)

Awesome! I'll be on the mountain all week, I love that track, as a daily C even better. Looks like I'm going to drive every single GR.3 car there :) Should be good after the disaster this week is. Brand's hatch looks like a good alternative in case of disconnects, depending on the car.
 
I'm done with this week and will now be practicing Dragon Trail. If you see someone in a blue and yellow GT-R next week, enjoy.
Me too. I'm also looking toward that daily race B and that's the only one I feel comfortable with.
 
It seems my DR is starting to settle at around 19.3K for not qualifying at Interlagos. Today was a particularly dirty night but I still managed to build up a clean streak of 5 with the Mustang before getting forced to go wide. The last race I did was nonsense, reported 5 people in that one, SR.S lol. I escaped with a blue rating yet had that track penalty for avoiding a car.

Matchmaking is a bit weird at 19K. One race I'm with A+/S to B/S, next race B/S to D/S and back again. There seems to be nothing in between, how come a full B/S room never happens.

Anyway driving standards in the back are not improving at all as the week goes on. Just like last week it's rather the opposite. People seem to care less and less about contact and I have to wave divers through all the time now. It's a good strategy in the lower rooms as they'll crash the car in front off in the very next corner then have to serve a penalty. I made it from 16th to 4th one race by simply staying out of the way.

It's going to be rough on Monday starting behind D/S drives on Mount Panorama. Still 3 more days of interramos to go. :boggled:
 
It seems my DR is starting to settle at around 19.3K for not qualifying at Interlagos. Today was a particularly dirty night but I still managed to build up a clean streak of 5 with the Mustang before getting forced to go wide. The last race I did was nonsense, reported 5 people in that one, SR.S lol. I escaped with a blue rating yet had that track penalty for avoiding a car.

Matchmaking is a bit weird at 19K. One race I'm with A+/S to B/S, next race B/S to D/S and back again. There seems to be nothing in between, how come a full B/S room never happens.

Anyway driving standards in the back are not improving at all as the week goes on. Just like last week it's rather the opposite. People seem to care less and less about contact and I have to wave divers through all the time now. It's a good strategy in the lower rooms as they'll crash the car in front off in the very next corner then have to serve a penalty. I made it from 16th to 4th one race by simply staying out of the way.

It's going to be rough on Monday starting behind D/S drives on Mount Panorama. Still 3 more days of interramos to go. :boggled:
mate those at the front arent improving much either...I inherited 2 wins from the same 2 blokes driving like knobs against each other one was dr A one was dr A+
 
Awesome! I'll be on the mountain all week, I love that track, as a daily C even better. Looks like I'm going to drive every single GR.3 car there :)

The mad scientist strikes again! I can't wait to read the race report :bowdown:.

Oh please forgive my wording. It's just that I dont enjoy driving that track, however those who do please enjoy.

Hehe. The only reason I bought a PS4 is to play GTS. The only reason I bought GTS was because they included Mount Panorama :crazy:. Yeh, weird, but then the only reason I bought the PS2 was to play the anniversary edition of Space Invaders :p. GT3/4 was merely a bonus :dopey:.
 
For race C, what I'm liking more, is conserving tyres. Sure, I'm saving a bit of fuel in the Mustang, but I was able to fight a Slophy to the line, with a good second set of tyres.

I was burning them up, even with TCS 3. I'm taking a couple of turns in higher gears and not shifting too much in the red. I'm almost thinking I have a racec engineer tell me who I'm racing and how to go about being consistent.

I'm not worried about handing over a spot for the sake of ruining my race. What's ironic, I was upset with a recent real race, where a car in my favorite team, gave up a position that may cost championship points, towards the end of this season. The reason for giving up the spot, was due to his engineer calculating who he was racing. I applied that to the last race and whaddayaknow, it worked.
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So crazy to see players going hard to pass others. If only they'd exercise restraint, they could restrategize and finish strong.
Last race I got punted at the bowl hairpin. Didn't get too upset. Just maintained a good pace and pitted a lap later than normal. Helped me avoid the cars pitting together, which gave me clean air to pace myself. I exited the pit with a GT-R on my rear bumper. I was able to hold it off for three corners with my tight lines. No contact and I pulled away to a 7 second gap. Love this game.
 
One tip I have for Race C at the moment - just because you can pit late (lap 6+), doesn’t mean that’s the best strategy. I’m noticing a lot of people, mostly Megane drivers, will be in a very comfortable position until they pit too late, letting early stoppers undercut them.

For instance, in a race a few days ago I had a Megane right on my arse until I stopped on lap 5, had he entered the pits at the same time as me he would’ve leapt me due to the fact that he would have to take on less fuel than myself. Instead he held off until lap 7 and lost an easy podium.

But whatever, works for me. :p
 
One tip I have for Race C at the moment - just because you can pit late (lap 6+), doesn’t mean that’s the best strategy. I’m noticing a lot of people, mostly Megane drivers, will be in a very comfortable position until they pit too late, letting early stoppers undercut them.

For instance, in a race a few days ago I had a Megane right on my arse until I stopped on lap 5, had he entered the pits at the same time as me he would’ve leapt me due to the fact that he would have to take on less fuel than myself. Instead he held off until lap 7 and lost an easy podium.

But whatever, works for me. :p
What I'm seeing, if a Slophy starts in the lead, it wins. If not, it's done. They just don't have the grunt and top speed to be a worry.

Most of the users won't put up a fight, due to conserving. I had one tail me until the pit stop. I looked at its fuel remaining during the stop. I was at 32 and it was at 25.

For those using the '11, what's the wear like on your best strategy?
 
I want to get my SR back but struggling with Race C, could do it using Race A but cant face doing to many races around Big Willow. Nearly 2 weeks since I was last SR S, I don't think its easy to get SR gains since the last couple of updates, just one SR flashed up on my last 2 race Cs but still ended up red at the end even though I just had 1 penalty. Is it really hard now to get SR? Or is it because am not playing as much now the races are weekly?
I didn't even turn on GTS for 2 days prior to today as I find it hard to be motivated when its the same course day after day, I even missed the FIA events because of this, hardly played at all this week.
Edit: Trying Inter Lagos but the chances of a clean race are not great there in my experience but worth a go.
Started 4th, finished there also, blue at the end though and plus 10 SR.
 
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It's just clear from this conversation who among us frequently hold up faster drivers and defend it to themselves with cognitive dissonance, and who of us don't need to. A quick KudosPrime visit confirmed my suspicions.

As an A+ driver I personally won't take advise from people who never graduated out of DR: B, but thanks for the discourse anyway guys.
I fail to see how sportsmanship has anything to do with DR.
Should Hamilton expect from, say Stroll, to let him pass, just because he's reigning champion?

As I said, it's racing. If you're faster, you'll always find a way to pass.
I've raced many A+ and S drivers, some were ramming idiots who couldn't make a clean pass for the life of them yet others found no difficulty whatsoever..

As far as we may know, those that made up the FIA rules could be terrible race drivers themselves, yet, everyone follows the rules and don't say " they won't take advice from Bob, 70, who drives only to grocery store".:boggled:

@MhtyClipster Interlagos is generous on SR, just make sure to start in first 2 rows or risk pinball:D
 
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One tip I have for Race C at the moment - just because you can pit late (lap 6+), doesn’t mean that’s the best strategy. I’m noticing a lot of people, mostly Megane drivers, will be in a very comfortable position until they pit too late, letting early stoppers undercut them.

For instance, in a race a few days ago I had a Megane right on my arse until I stopped on lap 5, had he entered the pits at the same time as me he would’ve leapt me due to the fact that he would have to take on less fuel than myself. Instead he held off until lap 7 and lost an easy podium.

But whatever, works for me. :p
Race C last night,two guys in maganes started in positions 1 and 2. I managed to get past them , but when I stopped for the pits, they kept on going without stopping and both finished 1st and 2nd with a 15 seconds time gap
 
It's just clear from this conversation who among us frequently hold up faster drivers and defend it to themselves with cognitive dissonance, and who of us don't need to. A quick KudosPrime visit confirmed my suspicions.

As an A+ driver I personally won't take advise from people who never graduated out of DR: B, but thanks for the discourse anyway guys.
Interesting proposition. As an A/A+ driver as well, I find the challenge of overtaking lower ranks quickly and decisively a testament to my DR. I hold racecraft in as high a regard as raw pace, so my train of thought is that if I really am a DR A/A+ driver, I should be able to pass DR B drivers not only because I'm faster, but because my racecraft is better than them
 
Race C last night,two guys in maganes started in positions 1 and 2. I managed to get past them , but when I stopped for the pits, they kept on going without stopping and both finished 1st and 2nd with a 15 seconds time gap
Yeah, not saying it’s not possible, but there’s a lot of (inexperienced) drivers out there who aren’t driving the car to its advantage. They could either drop the pace and drive the whole race without stopping or pit midway and keep up a great pace. Pitting too late just leaves you too vulnerable in many circumstances.
 
Yeah, not saying it’s not possible, but there’s a lot of (inexperienced) drivers out there who aren’t driving the car to its advantage.

(Puts up hand) Yeh that would be me.

They could either drop the pace and drive the whole race without stopping or pit midway and keep up a great pace. Pitting too late just leaves you too vulnerable in many circumstances.

A lot also depends on the quality of the race. Down at the lower end of the spectrum things are a bit more erratic. I usually just keep going till either the tyre wear becomes unmanageable or I'm about to run out of fuel. This often a few laps later than every one else. During those laps I have a clear track with no one holding me up. The gap can be enough that I only loose 1 place pitting, which I get back from having fresh tyres on the lap after the out lap. Sometimes even before then. At the higher end you probably have closer gaps between cars.
 
Had a bunch of fun doing the daily c race yesterday, managed a 2:04.9 quali. Saw a couple cars doing a no stop, but the 1 stop seems to be faster overall. Up 3k DR on the night.

I got punted off in the first 2 races and was able to work my way up the grid to around top 5 in both of those races. Navigating through B and C racers while keeping it clean should be easy. The races later in the night were less competitive, only 3-4 drivers A/S or higher.

If you're really a DR A driver in a Daily C race, you'll make your way up the grid while keeping it clean.

I even got some comments after those races like "thanks for the clean race" etc. from the people I was passing.
 
It's just clear from this conversation who among us frequently hold up faster drivers and defend it to themselves with cognitive dissonance, and who of us don't need to. A quick KudosPrime visit confirmed my suspicions.

As an A+ driver I personally won't take advise from people who never graduated out of DR: B, but thanks for the discourse anyway guys.

Why does someone have to let you pass them just because your lap times are lower. Nobody owes you anything
 
If you're really a DR A driver in a Daily C race, you'll make your way up the grid while keeping it clean.

I even got some comments after those races like "thanks for the clean race" etc. from the people I was passing.

Yes, most of the time a higher ranked driver should be able to pass a lower one. I wouldnt say all the time as lower ranked players can defend aggresively to the point of sacrifing some sr for a large amount of dr. That ands its hard to know what a lower ranked driver is doing sometimes. Its very easy to get stuck behind an erratic driver whos normal racing line weaves all over the track.


btw- I often use the thanks for the clean race message sarcastically... Im sure im not the only one. :lol:
 
Why does someone have to let you pass them just because your lap times are lower. Nobody owes you anything

Lifted from the GTP Online Racing Rules and Guidlines:

10: Defensive Driving:


A:
Leading cars have the right to choose their own line down a straight. They can change their racing line once while driving down a straight (Move from the outside line to the inside, or vice versa). As they approach the next corner, they can return to the racing line of their choice However, they're not allowed to change their line when the behind driver is directly behind and changes his line to try and make a pass. If your movement causes an accident, you're responsible.

B:
Leading cars have the right to take their line of choice through corners. I.e. they may drive a defensive line around the inside of a corner to protect their position, thereby forcing an attacking driver to try to pass around the outside. This is not blocking and is part of normal racing etiquette. In fact, apart from the restrictions of rule 10:A, a leading driver can drive any line which they feel is the most inconvenient for any following car to try to pass them.

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Lifted from the GTP Online Racing Rules and Guidlines:

10: Defensive Driving:


A:
Leading cars have the right to choose their own line down a straight. They can change their racing line once while driving down a straight (Move from the outside line to the inside, or vice versa). As they approach the next corner, they can return to the racing line of their choice However, they're not allowed to change their line when the behind driver is directly behind and changes his line to try and make a pass. If your movement causes an accident, you're responsible.

B:
Leading cars have the right to take their line of choice through corners. I.e. they may drive a defensive line around the inside of a corner to protect their position, thereby forcing an attacking driver to try to pass around the outside. This is not blocking and is part of normal racing etiquette. In fact, apart from the restrictions of rule 10:A, a leading driver can drive any line which they feel is the most inconvenient for any following car to try to pass them.

:D

Makes sense but unfortunately an automated system to enforce something like this is a long way off.
 
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