"Daily" Race Discussion [Archive]

[VeeDoubleU]

I don't understand all the complaining about track limits. Everyone has to follow the same rules/limits and it's up to you to find out where they are. Should the track limits be different? Sure, of course they should. But refrain from racing because of some chicane-cutting that you are also perfectly capable of doing yourself? Seems like a silly reason not to play a very fun game we all enjoy. Just cut the chicane yourself and get a good qualy time, or don't, who cares, but don't let it ruin your experience.

This ain't it chief

 

[Shottah072]

And as for you.... lol. Great to actually race you properly. Lovely overtakes to stitch me up... twice!

I'm on a 13 clean race bonus and I was inches off your bumper Great clean racing mate. Good wins.

How fast was that last lobby? Jeez

Yeah that was some great racing ! That one race i thought you were gonna get me on the line it was so close.

I am not convinced about the 4C yet. I think its the fastest car but you have zero chance on the straights. Thinking i might have to try that Audi next time.

Uploaded a onboard view from one of the races.


And yeah that last lobby was insane.

 

[Iceman]

How many of you guys are DS4 users compared to wheel users?? I spent a fair amount of time on race A just qualifying and trying to put in a good lap the last 2 days. I was down to 1:31.9 with my wheel and started watching some of the fast replays. 1 of the top times is on a DS4 and I studied his lap pretty hard, he is able to do things that I cant on my wheel. So I try my DS4 and after 5 laps Im already 5/10ths faster and the car is easier to drive. The real kicker is that I am not saying I am good with my wheel but I know I suck with the DS4. The only video games i play are racing games and the only one I have played in the last 4 years has been GTS when I got it last Christmas. Have any of you wheel users noticed this?

I'm the DS4 pleb currently at the top in NA, trust me when I say stick with the wheel . The Tokyo track is "friendly" to DS4 users as its all high speed corners with little requirement for throttle control.

I don't know of any cars/tracks where the DS4 is outright faster other than maybe the kart due to its insane twitchiness which is dulled by the hidden DS4 assists (not sure if this is true anymore). When you factor in race consistency and pace, the wheel is clearly the better instrument. Maybe it's better with motion control but tire wear with the sticks is absolutely abysmal. Unfortunately I have no natural skill with a wheel and I'm always coming back to the controller after using it since GT3. I'll give this one a go with the wheel to see if I can feel anything weird going on.

 

[TheNorfolkDad]

I'm the DS4 pleb currently at the top in NA, trust me when I say stick with the wheel . The Tokyo track is "friendly" to DS4 users as its all high speed corners with little requirement for throttle control.

I don't know of any cars/tracks where the DS4 is outright faster other than maybe the kart due to its insane twitchiness which is dulled by the hidden DS4 assists (not sure if this is true anymore). When you factor in race consistency and pace, the wheel is clearly the better instrument. Maybe it's better with motion control but tire wear with the sticks is absolutely abysmal. Unfortunately I have no natural skill with a wheel and I'm always coming back to the controller after using it since GT3. I'll give this one a go with the wheel to see if I can feel anything weird going on.

I often wonder how can a DS4 possibly be as fast as a wheel, you can go from no lock to full lock in an instant whereas I can’t do that with a wheel. I’m as fast as I am because I aim to be incredibly smooth with my inputs and hit every apex, but I think if I could turn the wheel quicker (or further?) I could be so much faster.

 

[Pigems]

I did a bunch of laps of Race B in just about every car, nothing came close to the RCZ until I tried the TT, beat my time by 4 tenths almost on lap 2, I’m down to 2:28.801 now. So I attempted to race and the game froze or something and I was put right back to the main PlayStation screen, it was weird. So I tried again and got 2 wins in the TT, it’s definitely the car for me for this track. They weren’t super tough rooms for the wins but I made no mistakes finally either and the second one was a pretty good match with the guy who came second until he faltered slightly on the uphil Esses of the final lap and I caught him, he’s didn’t get too close after that though.

 

[kilesa4568]

But refrain from racing because of some chicane-cutting that you are also perfectly capable of doing yourself?

I like the proper layout. That chicane is pretty cool when you get it right but I don't want to run the risk of colliding with someone travelling much quicker from a shortcut. Had the same problem at the Red Bull Ring, giving space to all the track extenders coming back on track.

 

[Winnie847]

This ain't it chief

what is it then, sport?

I like the proper layout. That chicane is pretty cool when you get it right but I don't want to run the risk of colliding with someone travelling much quicker from a shortcut. Had the same problem at the Red Bull Ring, giving space to all the track extenders coming back on track.

seems like a choice to me to be bothered by it. I've had plenty of great races on the tracks where people complain about this type of thing. you always have to watch out for other drivers no matter the track limits.

 

[VeeDoubleU]

what is it then, sport?

You have drivers going on an entirely different track layout. It is farcical.

And yes, it ruins peoples fun, and not by choice. During a race, you could be near someone, and then get to the final sector at Catalunya and that nearby driver takes an entirely different track layout, gaining 2 seconds per lap, and hence you are no longer racing with that nearby competitor. It is farcical for you to suggest that we should be doing the same exploit because the game allows it.

By your same logic, it is completely okay to also hit other people and barge others out of the way, if no in-game penalty is given, because if the game allows it, then by your logic, people are choosing to have their fun ruined by not taking a farcical route on a different layout.

The same happens at Fuji, where there is an exploit involving going ludicrously far wide and staying off-track for about 10 seconds, gaining time due to having extra speed.

And surely you know about the 2 Willow Springs exploits? At both Streets and Horse Thief? Where a driver can gain up to 15 seconds on both a qualifying lap and also the final race lap. This isn't something everybody should do just because the game allows it to exist.

With so many exploits existing, it makes complete sense for people to feel unhappy with the current state of Sport Mode and decide not to play.

 

[Iceman]

I often wonder how can a DS4 possibly be as fast as a wheel, you can go from no lock to full lock in an instant whereas I can’t do that with a wheel. I’m as fast as I am because I aim to be incredibly smooth with my inputs and hit every apex, but I think if I could turn the wheel quicker (or further?) I could be so much faster.

You're actually almost never going from lock to lock on the DS4, one of the assists is a dynamic limitation on the amount you can turn the wheels to prevent scrubbing. The full speed S curve section after the first turn at Kyoto in high downforce cars is the best place to feel this that I've experienced.

 

[Pigems]

I’ve got it down to 2:27.829 in the TT, good for 62 on the NA Board right now, I think that’s the highest I’ve gotten on it before. Got whooped in another good room though, started 10th and finished 14th after a bad corner got the better of me and unfortunately another guy. I still feel like I’m improving and that 2:27 can still be improved I think, it’s only Tuesday. I don’t feel completely out of place in the good rooms, it’s just that smaller mistakes cost you a lot more there, I’ll get it

 

[NevilleNobody]

You're actually almost never going from lock to lock on the DS4, one of the assists is a dynamic limitation on the amount you can turn the wheels to prevent scrubbing. The full speed S curve section after the first turn at Kyoto in high downforce cars is the best place to feel this that I've experienced.

This. I always struggle with fast esses with controller, never feel like I have enough lock to make it happen.

 

[Shottah072]

I am no were near as fast with DS4 as i am with the wheel but when playing with DS4 you can definitely notice the game controlling the amount of steering lock a bit.

 

[Mr616]

A bit off topic, but I've finally got 15 consecutive clean races!! While battling hard and close as well I might add.

Never thought I'd do this. Well chuffed

Loved racing tonight. Really good fun, apart from the buggy starts, but I've luckily not been affected directly by them.

 

[Pigems]

I’m at least a second or two slower with a DS4, I tried last week just out of curiousity. I can be so much smoother with my inputs on the wheel and it makes it a little faster for me.

 

[Mr616]

I’ve got it down to 2:27.829 in the TT, good for 62 on the NA Board right now, I think that’s the highest I’ve gotten on it before. Got whooped in another good room though, started 10th and finished 14th after a bad corner got the better of me and unfortunately another guy. I still feel like I’m improving and that 2:27 can still be improved I think, it’s only Tuesday. I don’t feel completely out of place in the good rooms, it’s just that smaller mistakes cost you a lot more there, I’ll get it

Keep at it. When I made the transition from DR:B to DR:A I felt I wasn't quick enough, but you learn from actually racing the fast guys and it pushes you to improve. I'm DR:A+ and feel at home there now. Well, low DR:A+ I'll never be alien fast but I enjoy trying, and absolutely love racing other real people online.

You'll be on pace soon enough I'm sure. Just don't over drive/push.

 

[Pigems]

Keep at it. When I made the transition from DR:B to DR:A I felt I wasn't quick enough, but you learn from actually racing the fast guys and it pushes you to improve. I'm DR:A+ and feel at home there now. Well, low DR:A+ I'll never be alien fast but I enjoy trying, and absolutely love racing other real people online.

You'll be on pace soon enough I'm sure. Just don't over drive/push.

Thanks for the words of encouragement, it’s much appreciated. Thats what I’m looking forward to the most once I get full comfortable in the A rooms, driving along side better players than myself to see how and what they do up close. I’ve only had two races so far with them and the first one I was nervous as hell for and had some big errors, the second one I already felt calmer and drove better but still made a few small errors that cost me big. I do feel like it can do it though, an A room win would be huge! Maybe if I can get my QT’s down enough for a top 5 start I can sneak one in.

 

[NevilleNobody]

I am s Sr for first time and co Stanly matched against a, a+ and s Dr. Getting murdered on pace, blood bath.

 

[Groundfish]

Ok. I decided to go in on a daily c. I’m -somewhat- comfortable on track now. I’m faster in certain cars, but stuck with fr on this go.
I really enjoy racing this track. Technical. My plan going in was to just cruise and get comfy with things. I didn’t put in work on qual for this reason. End result lucky 13 on the grid for me.
Wide variety on the grid in this one. It was relatively uneventful. I received pressure twice, once going into the hairpin, but whoever was behind me drove well without contact.
I applied pressure to primarily one person, and he cracked and ran wide on the hairpin.
I was going along and everyone near me pitted. I was looking at my fuel and tires and thought heck with it.
Stayed out up into 3rd. Upon pitting I realized I really only needed a splash with my new tires.
Essentially I ended up gaining five spots to 8th and lost around 40 dr.
No drama, no handling cars got into my slipstream except that one time.
As far as the wheel question, to me it’s a huge advantage, but then again it would be impossible for me to use a controller. I know after 120 some odd online races, that it seems to be a huge advantage for saving tires and on certain types of corners. On others sections it’s not.
Then again remember I’m only a b guy on dr...
I do know this, one friend just got a wheel as a gift and I played online with him first time out. He mentioned that the cars seem to drive so different...I helped him out with things I have learned the past 7 months.
Funny thing is he left foot brakes no prob but didn’t like shifting and stuck with auto tranny.
I can’t left foot brake and love shifting go figure.
After a couple hours I can tell I am going to enjoy racing with him much more in the future. I could race more closely without fear of contact.
He kept saying how he kept raising up to look over the hood in cockpit view lol.
I asked for his opinion and he said absolutely different game to him. He also said he enjoyed it much more.
Thats it...New track is fun, I like it. It seems to reward patience and being slow and smooth. The track has a nice flow....I think I like it almost as much as I dislike the Tokyo highway one...That’s just me.

Stay thirsty my friends...

 

[Winnie847]

You have drivers going on an entirely different track layout. It is farcical.

And yes, it ruins peoples fun, and not by choice. During a race, you could be near someone, and then get to the final sector at Catalunya and that nearby driver takes an entirely different track layout, gaining 2 seconds per lap, and hence you are no longer racing with that nearby competitor. It is farcical for you to suggest that we should be doing the same exploit because the game allows it.

By your same logic, it is completely okay to also hit other people and barge others out of the way, if no in-game penalty is given, because if the game allows it, then by your logic, people are choosing to have their fun ruined by not taking a farcical route on a different layout.

The same happens at Fuji, where there is an exploit involving going ludicrously far wide and staying off-track for about 10 seconds, gaining time due to having extra speed.

And surely you know about the 2 Willow Springs exploits? At both Streets and Horse Thief? Where a driver can gain up to 15 seconds on both a qualifying lap and also the final race lap. This isn't something everybody should do just because the game allows it to exist.

With so many exploits existing, it makes complete sense for people to feel unhappy with the current state of Sport Mode and decide not to play.

I can see this is pretty upsetting for you, so I will say that I do sympathize a small amount. I get your point about the huge exploits that can gain you 10-15s, because that’s a massive section of track that is bypassed. Not sure why those haven’t been fixed, but chicane-cutting or going wide shouldn’t be as much of a bother. Besides, sport mode races are pretty much never at Streets or Horse Thief. I haven’t seen the cut at Barcelona yet but the Red Bull and Fuji exploits gain you tenths, not seconds. I also wish it was different, but there’s still plenty of fun to be had there and I’ve beat people who abuse it as well as been the abuser myself...no sleep lost, still many great races had.

But who knows, there’s probably some players out there who hate me for going wide at T1 on Red Bull Ring, even though they didn’t have the pace to win anyway. I doubt that energy serves them well.

It’s interesting too that you mention “my logic” several times while invoking a false equivalence, which is a logical fallacy itself. It makes zero sense to apply what I’ve said to ramming or barging people. That’s actually not how logic works and that’s certainly not something I condone just because you can.

 

[GA 52]

Race B. After the race I just mentioned his name on the chatting board. His answer was ????

He got a Blue S? He could at least say I'm sorry but no..

I feel like super idiot.... I thought this was not how you race fairly (from his side), what is your feel on this?

 

[kilesa4568]

seems like a choice to me to be bothered by it. I've had plenty of great races on the tracks where people complain about this type of thing. you always have to watch out for other drivers no matter the track limits.

Track limits will always be tested. I accept that. It's just personal preference to not watch other people shortcut/extend. Kinda ugly to see.

I don't see it as a loss to not do race C anyway. I had a good time racing in the lobby all night.

 

[Arcflyer]

Edit: Nearly forgot, congrats on DR:A+ @Arcflyer

Thanks - all I got to do now is keep it - been a good week so far !!

A bit off topic, but I've finally got 15 consecutive clean races!! While battling hard and close as well I might add.

Never thought I'd do this. Well chuffed

Congratulations mate

 

[Bbandicoot]

Was in race A, somebody recognized me from here. Had a terrible race! Got 2 penalties for people deliberately ramming me into walls. Next race got second. Now onto race C. Was having fun in the beetle earlier, now gonna join the crowd and drive the car everyone else does.

 

[Mr616]

Yeah that was some great racing ! That one race i thought you were gonna get me on the line it was so close.

I am not convinced about the 4C yet. I think its the fastest car but you have zero chance on the straights. Thinking i might have to try that Audi next time.

Uploaded a onboard view from one of the races.


And yeah that last lobby was insane.

With the 4c you can pick any line you want. With the Audi it's all about not understeering on corner exit. It has great torque up the hills as well.

Have you tried the Audi yet?

 

[banckzy]

OK guys I had a few tries at Race B last night and as much as it pains me to say I found it very boring. Is it just me or is Yamagiwa a bit of a boring track? don't seem to get much wheel to wheel racing there, maybe it's cause I'm just rusty and rubbish LOL.

Could only manage a 2:31:000 in the Huracan which I know is slow, but I was matched in the middle of the grid. not to mention that stupid grid start meant I wasnt racing with anyone in front of me in the first two races! They were already 4secs ahead after the auto-drive

 

[GA 52]

OK guys I had a few tries at Race B last night and as much as it pains me to say I found it very boring. Is it just me or is Yamagiwa a bit of a boring track? don't seem to get much wheel to wheel racing there, maybe it's cause I'm just rusty and rubbish LOL.

Could only manage a 2:31:000 in the Huracan which I know is slow, but I was matched in the middle of the grid. not to mention that stupid grid start meant I wasnt racing with anyone in front of me in the first two races! They were already 4secs ahead after the auto-drive

Have you tried the Audi banzky? Very good exiting corners, beat me in my Megane

 

[Whiteshark90]

OK guys I had a few tries at Race B last night and as much as it pains me to say I found it very boring. Is it just me or is Yamagiwa a bit of a boring track? don't seem to get much wheel to wheel racing there, maybe it's cause I'm just rusty and rubbish LOL.

Could only manage a 2:31:000 in the Huracan which I know is slow, but I was matched in the middle of the grid. not to mention that stupid grid start meant I wasnt racing with anyone in front of me in the first two races! They were already 4secs ahead after the auto-drive

I think it's very subjective, I really like this track and I always had clean and good battles, being it yamagiwa+myabi or just yamagiwa!

 

[VeeDoubleU]

but chicane-cutting or going wide shouldn’t be as much of a bother.

You do realise the Catalunya exploit is more than that? That's why people are unhappy.

People are taking an entirely different track layout, as I said. It isn't just abusing kerbs or going wide at Turn 1 of Red Bull Ring or something. Those are minor.

 

[Nunogs123]

Sorry for my ignorance, and maybe someone has already ask this but,
On online races, what is the meaning of the number on the left of the flag?

 

[Pigems]

Sorry for my ignorance, and maybe someone has already ask this but,
On online races, what is the meaning of the number on the left of the flag?

What flag are you referring too?