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Tough night at NGP.

Two races where i started nearly last in a room for of SRS and DRA+ drivers. Circulated with solid 59's and only gained a place or two. Urrrgh.

Then I get correctly paired, bung fight ahead of me, I get too brave and buin it through the esses. I very rarely bin it but did on this occasion, fell from 4th to 14th. Battled back tio 10th but drivers surprisingly clumsy and dirty. Urrgghh

Then got hit with a room FULL of south Americans, sorry to those south americans that behave but I just shuddered .... and i was right. Complete bedlam, no manners at all, crazy lunges, blocking etc. SR drops from 99 to 63. Urrrgh.
 
drummingcat
Threw my hat in last night, perhaps group 3 at the Nurburgring was not a good place to start my online racing career, but I ended the night incredibly annoyed but I learned a lot about time penalties and the effin chicane :lol:.

Raced about 8 times, literally just to get my DR and SR up, and after trying a few cars, I settled on the Gr3 beetle and was pleased with a couple of laps in the 2.03's which is probably slow for most of you guys, but given I am only a couple of days in and I still have all driver aids on and using auto transmission (for now), I was happy.

On the track itself, I cant win, my approach is slow in fast out, but slow in tends to get you hit, this is particularly bad when trying to hit the T1 apex, and especially at the chicane when I was gaining a second on the faster guys in front during the lap, and then losing it all at the chicane, so I tried a slower entry which is ultimately faster, but leaves me open to getting punted.
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I too have bemoaned that slow in-fast out gets you rear ended but NGP is the absolute number one track for slow in-fast out driving, it's basically 5 straights , real point-n-squirt stuff.

Now, into T1 is a lottery outside of SR-S but from your lap times and your description i almost guarantee you are taking the final chicane too slow. You need to attack the left ander, ride the kerb HARD and get on the gas hard before you even get to the right hand part of the chicane. Basically, try and straight line the thing as much as you can and i guarantee you will shave a full second from your lap time, maybe more.
 
NevilleNobody
Tough night at NGP.

Two races where i started nearly last in a room for of SRS and DRA+ drivers. Circulated with solid 59's and only gained a place or two. Urrrgh.

Then I get correctly paired, bung fight ahead of me, I get too brave and buin it through the esses. I very rarely bin it but did on this occasion, fell from 4th to 14th. Battled back tio 10th but drivers surprisingly clumsy and dirty. Urrgghh

Then got hit with a room FULL of south Americans, sorry to those south americans that behave but I just shuddered .... and i was right. Complete bedlam, no manners at all, crazy lunges, blocking etc. SR drops from 99 to 63. Urrrgh.
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Thanks for the clean race the other night.
We finished 1-2. I was in the vette.
I was shaking after that ended. I couldn’t give you the slip and you were quicker through the chicane.
Good race. Maybe we will get a rematch who knows.
 
Groundfish
Thanks for the clean race the other night.
We finished 1-2. I was in the vette.
I was shaking after that ended. I couldn’t give you the slip and you were quicker through the chicane.
Good race. Maybe we will get a rematch who knows.
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What's your PSN ID?

Yeah that was fun but frustrating! You didn't make a mistake. I was a solid half second faster through the chicane but I was a half second slower through the beginning of S2, I am horrible at changing direction and that awkward left then quick right always burns me.

That's as good a battle as i have had without actually making a passing move.
 
drummingcat
Threw my hat in last night, perhaps group 3 at the Nurburgring was not a good place to start my online racing career, but I ended the night incredibly annoyed but I learned a lot about time penalties and the effin chicane :lol:.

Raced about 8 times, literally just to get my DR and SR up, and after trying a few cars, I settled on the Gr3 beetle and was pleased with a couple of laps in the 2.03's which is probably slow for most of you guys, but given I am only a couple of days in and I still have all driver aids on and using auto transmission (for now), I was happy.

I started the first few races just keeping out of everyone's way, my DR went up to do and so did my SR to B, I got into a couple of races with very similar drivers, pace and level, then it happened............. I got up to second and I began closing on the 1st place guy, I actually started to think day one I might get a podium, then I got nudged into the gravel which cost me 7 places, then whilst trying to make up ground I caused a bit of a pile up at the chicane (completely my bad and caused by frustration at being sat in the gravel watching my podium disappear) and my Driver Rating dropped to C, so all races from then were literally like the wild west, starting mid pack (between 5-8) and usually getting punted or knocked off the track at some point. Went to bed in a foul mood :lol:!

On the track itself, I cant win, my approach is slow in fast out, but slow in tends to get you hit, this is particularly bad when trying to hit the T1 apex, and especially at the chicane when I was gaining a second on the faster guys in front during the lap, and then losing it all at the chicane, so I tried a slower entry which is ultimately faster, but leaves me open to getting punted.

Tonight I am just going to keep clean and focus on getting my SR up, when my SR puts me in rooms with people that can drive without crashing, then I think I will start going for position.
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Welcome to the nuthouse! Beetle is a good choice if you are just looking to keep it solid. It's a very stable and predictable drive. Totally true on the different line for racing. On Nurb GP T1 for a qualifying lap or if on the track alone I go wide on the left and turn in hard, just clipping over the red and white on the inside. If I'm racing I have to go all the way over to the right in order to fend off dive bombs up the inside. It can be very annoying that if you take the racing line, leaving any room at all, and slow on entry in order to accelerate out, the kids behind you see that as an invitation to park their car on your dashboard. It also influences my choice of car in races. For example, AMG is quicker for me on a full lap using the racing line however I can take a much tighter approach to T1 and also carry more speed into the chicaine using the Viper but lose .5 sec per lap. So I often pick the car that's better on the sections where I need to take a line that defends being punted rather than the one that I'm outright fastest in.
 
NevilleNobody
I too have bemoaned that slow in-fast out gets you rear ended but NGP is the absolute number one track for slow in-fast out driving, it's basically 5 straights , real point-n-squirt stuff.

Now, into T1 is a lottery outside of SR-S but from your lap times and your description i almost guarantee you are taking the final chicane too slow. You need to attack the left ander, ride the kerb HARD and get on the gas hard before you even get to the right hand part of the chicane. Basically, try and straight line the thing as much as you can and i guarantee you will shave a full second from your lap time, maybe more.
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Cheers Mate, much appreciated, as the "Daily" races are the same today, I shall feed back tomorrow what effect that's had on my laptime later on. Although racing with the SR-C's for a few races is going to be fun!! :crazy:
 
PSN:And-War
does this apply to oval racing only? Side drafting?
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I would assume it would work anywhere you have enough speed to produce the amount of air needed to dump onto the other guys spoiler. Ovals just have that speed through more of the track is all and higher speeds on average. What I don’t know though is if it needs to be a trunk mounted spoiler(flat to the trunk like a Nascar) or if it would work on a raised shopping cart style spoiler like the GR4/3/2/1’s have though, the air could possibly just pass under that kind of spoiler instead of going over top and creating drag. :)

sturk0167
So, are you carrying a laptop around with you, or is there a mobile ap for this site?
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You mean you don’t? lol I Kid. I do 99% of my Posting on here from my iPhone/iPad on Safari. My laptop is older than my DFGT was and is only good for uploading stickers to the Livery Editor now, windows stopped updating years ago on that thing haha. :D
 
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Welcome to the nuthouse! Beetle is a good choice if you are just looking to keep it solid. It's a very stable and predictable drive. Totally true on the different line for racing. On Nurb GP T1 for a qualifying lap or if on the track alone I go wide on the left and turn in hard, just clipping over the red and white on the inside. If I'm racing I have to go all the way over to the right in order to fend off dive bombs up the inside. It can be very annoying that if you take the racing line, leaving any room at all, and slow on entry in order to accelerate out, the kids behind you see that as an invitation to park their car on your dashboard. It also influences my choice of car in races. For example, AMG is quicker for me on a full lap using the racing line however I can take a much tighter approach to T1 and also carry more speed into the chicaine using the Viper but lose .5 sec per lap. So I often pick the car that's better on the sections where I need to take a line that defends being punted rather than the one that I'm outright fastest in.
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I could see myself going out-rightly faster in the 911, but it was too unpredictable in the faster corners and I figured worst place to bin it during a race.

Solid advice on the change of line into T1 from Qualy to the Race, question though if I go in tight and I get punted from behind, does my SR suffer for the contact??

The last race I did last night, I was literally going in just trying to get round without contact, but because my quali time was good enough for 5th on the grid, I pretty much knew T1 was going to end in contact from behind as I turned in, and it did!
 
drummingcat
I could see myself going out-rightly faster in the 911, but it was too unpredictable in the faster corners and I figured worst place to bin it during a race.

Solid advice on the change of line into T1 from Qualy to the Race, question though if I go in tight and I get punted from behind, does my SR suffer for the contact??

The last race I did last night, I was literally going in just trying to get round without contact, but because my quali time was good enough for 5th on the grid, I pretty much knew T1 was going to end in contact from behind as I turned in, and it did!
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@Sven Jurgens has a doctorate in the penalty points system so he'd be the best to answer.:lol: I was rearended and got an orange SR warning several times in the Gr4 race at Dragon Trail Gardens a couple of weeks back but it did not bring my SR down. I'm not 100% sure if the game can tell the difference between being hit from behind because you were taking the wrong line, going too slow or blocking or the times where someone hits you and it's their fault but lately I have found that my SR has not always dropped just because I get an orange SR warning, or even an in race penalty.

MR Cars like the Porsche and Audi are very much favoured. The top 10 ranking board is full of them. I'm more like top 10,000 and find MR cars a little difficult like yourself. I favour stable "planted" cars. The Beetle is one but I find on Nurb GB it lacks a little "oomph". AMG, Viper and Lexus 16 are all very solid there.
 
Tried race B this morning. SR got knocked down to 81 yesterday. So was looking forward to see how the different the competition would be.

Started 5th finished 3rd. Easiest race I've had in a while. And much cleaner than SR 99 rooms I've raced in lately. Possibly due to higher grid position. Gained 600 DR and 2 SR.

In a way it was unexciting. But I'll take it over racing with people who treat me like a AI car in League Mode.
 
O604
Tried race B this morning. SR got knocked down to 81 yesterday. So was looking forward to see how the different the competition would be.

Started 5th finished 3rd. Easiest race I've had in a while. And much cleaner than SR 99 rooms I've raced in lately. Possibly due to higher grid position. Gained 600 DR and 2 SR.

In a way it was unexciting. But I'll take it over racing with people who treat me like a AI car in League Mode.
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Having been recently punted down to SR-D (back to B now) I have a theory on that. Due to the screwed up penalty system, there are a certain percentage of clean drivers at any level. Most of the clean ones at lower SR levels ( I include myself here) are trying to gain SR, so are very careful to be clean. The race at Suzuka last night that got me back to B was mostly SR-D with one E and a few C. Except for the two that I followed for 3 laps, and one guy that side bumped me when I passed on the back straight, everyone else was very careful and clean that I came across. At one point I left the inside open into Degner #1 because the guy behind had speed on me at that point, and was inside and (almost) overlapping a bit. I did it because I didn't want contact. He got into the outside dirt before Degner #2 and I shot through on the inside even though he was coming back on track. He could have hit me, but gave me room. He could have punted me in the hairpin, too, but didn't. I passed 8 cars from the back in that race, 2 at the start, 2 were dirty, 1 was semi-dirty, and the other 3 were gentlemen. Not bad for a D room.
 
Rexracer702
Having been recently punted down to SR-D (back to B now) I have a theory on that. Due to the screwed up penalty system, there are a certain percentage of clean drivers at any level. Most of the clean ones at lower SR levels ( I include myself here) are trying to gain SR, so are very careful to be clean. The race at Suzuka last night that got me back to B was mostly SR-D with one E and a few C. Except for the two that I followed for 3 laps, and one guy that side bumped me when I passed on the back straight, everyone else was very careful and clean that I came across. At one point I left the inside open into Degner #1 because the guy behind had speed on me at that point, and was inside and (almost) overlapping a bit. I did it because I didn't want contact. He got into the outside dirt before Degner #2 and I shot through on the inside even though he was coming back on track. He could have hit me, but gave me room. He could have punted me in the hairpin, too, but didn't. I passed 8 cars from the back in that race, 2 at the start, 2 were dirty, 1 was semi-dirty, and the other 3 were gentlemen. Not bad for a D room.
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There was a discussion further back in this ever growing thread about that. The guys at SR 99 are safe for a race or two and know that a couple of bumps may bring them to the low 90's so they can still come out of a scrappy race with SR S. They drop the SR A and tip-toe for a race or two and then go back to being scrappy again. You also get guys farming SR, lapping at the rear for a number of races in order to increase SR and then when they get to 99 their true driving habits, the crap that put them down at SR D in the first place, show and they drop back to where they rightfully belong. Ironically I also find that DR B is no better than DR D so it's not just about the faster guys being better able to hold a line and knowing where the other cars are on the track. Most of the cleanest races I've had were DR D / SR S.
 
Pigems
I would assume it would work anywhere you have enough speed to produce the amount of air needed to dump onto the other guys spoiler. Ovals just have that speed through more of the track is all and higher speeds on average. What I don’t know though is if it needs to be a trunk mounted spoiler(flat to the trunk like a Nascar) or if it would work on a raised shopping cart style spoiler like the GR4/3/2/1’s have though, the air could possibly just pass under that kind of spoiler instead of going over top and creating drag. :)


I have been watching gt racing and touring car racing and I have never heard of this so doubt it applies and doubt PD put it in other wise over taking would be much easier.
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Another component I've encountered is desperation. As the competition gets much closer it leaves little difference in times, lines, etc.. and often the difference comes down to a risky move/block.

So in a way the matchmaking is responsible. It could much better considering the amount of data they have. But they choose the simplistic approach. Which in real life would be a death generator. :lol:
 
I kind play for sr more than anything. I’ve only been down to sr b once. It took a long time to recover.
I had a temper tantrum at S America but it basically backfired because of getting downgraded.
I am kinda slow and conservative, but I like knowing at least in theory if I wanna race I can without having to farm sr much, or at least I am racing clean rated folk.
I’ve found remaining at 99 that I may be starting 16, like at Bathurst last week a few times, but the racing was fun. I don’t run into problems much, but again my mentality isn’t fighting over every inch of track.
Also if I’m had I’m had, if I battle it might create a pack and those can be dangerous for sr, usually if there’s a pack up ahead they go side by side and fight and I can pass by allowing space to get a
run.
I find I can tell when a problem driver is around and I drive accordingly, that might mean lifting and letting a guy go.
 
So far, I'm not seeing much advantage with a manual transmission at Willow Springs. I did some laps with it, last night and it took 6 or 7 laps to train my index fingers to shift while I'm doing the usual stuff with my thumbs. After a while, I managed to shave a tenth of a second off of my automatic time. This morning, I shaved a tenth off of that time using auto. :odd:

I don't imagine that I'll ever use manual transmission in a race.
 
I’m starting to think showing my wife how to play GT may not have been a good thing, right now she’s running a Toyota 86 on BMB and I’m waiting to race haha. She’s doing good on BMB, she didn’t like Tokyo in the Integra though lol. Hopefully I’ll get to race soon. :lol:
 
Pigems
I’m starting to think showing my wife how to play GT may not have been a good thing, right now she’s running a Toyota 86 on BMB and I’m waiting to race haha. She’s doing good on BMB, she didn’t like Tokyo in the Integra though lol. Hopefully I’ll get to race soon. :lol:
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Good thing that track doesn't require parallel parking. :lol:

Love the new Avatar. 👍
 
I decided to see what my qualifying time of 2:00,177 on Nurburgring could do. Started P3 in race #1, and finished 6th after a lot of mistakes and even dropped my SR down to A:indiff:.
Race #2 gave me P2, and because of P1 sleeping in his R8, or my RSR being superior in the drag race to T1, I ended up with the lead going in to T1. My rear view mirror showed nothing but chaos. I had the former P1 on my right door when we went in to T2, but after that, no one got even close. I ended up winning by 6-7 seconds and getting the FL by 2:00,065(or something like that. It was faster than my qualifying time:irked:).
So that gave me win #8 out of 83 races. Hoping to get at least a 1:59 in Q before this week is over. And maybe getting a few more wins, while keeping my SR S intact
 
sturk0167
Good thing that track doesn't require parallel parking. :lol:

Love the new Avatar. 👍
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You’ve got that right! She actually did really well once I left the room haha. I watched her lap once she left, 58.7 around BMB in a Toyota 86 with every driving aid jacked to the max but TCS, it was on 3. I saved it and uploaded it to YouTube so I can show it to her later, she gonna kill me. :lol:



Thanks, I don’t typically take photos on GT but I felt this one needed to be taken. :)
 
All the marriage counsellors here are jealous as heck of you. :grumpy: My counsel: Go buy a present for her - second TV / monitor, some headphones and a new PS4 Pro. Darn us married guys sure wish our partners loved to drive.

Oh and tell her to remember when she drives the real car, to remember its a bit different. :nervous:

For my own performance, I could only handle two races last night at the Nurb_F1, despite my wife encouraging me (that's a first). I gained 1800 in the two races, and if I was in better shape, maybe I could have raced more and made some real point gains. Then again, maybe I'd have finished 13th and lost some points.

But in the second race I was very lucky because a Japanese guy (who I had let through - two cars - when I mucked up the chicane, so I stayed left at the turn onto the straight rather than trying to get in their way) well, I passed the two cars I let through at the next corner - turn #1 (I am OK there) but the fellow who I got through stayed tight behind me, but he never touched me when I blocked very defensively at the chicane the next lap (#3).

Not sure how to reply to Japanese guys thanking them though. A real gentleman honourable Japanese driver. I got a 4th (where I started) but beat I think 3 A+ guys and got 900 DR.

I'm a bit rough here and there as the R8 moves all over the place, which I love, but it is not yet quite automatic to handle it. The lack of TC though is starting to shine through, one gains during gear changes a bit as well, I could not have matched those guys before IMO in a solid race. My qualifying with TC on 2 has been OK but in the race I have been gapped, but now without TC, I seem to have race pace with the slower A guys and the B guys. Strangely though, my R8 feels much more slippery in the race, I am sliding a lot in the race especially at corners 5 - the curving left before the right corner that precedes the 180 degree turn that leads onto Michael Schumacher Straight. Anyone else in an R8 notice that or is it my technique? [/QUOTE]
 
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All the marriage counsellors here are jealous as heck of you. :grumpy: My counsel: Go buy a present for her - second TV / monitor, some headphones and a new PS4 Pro. Darn us married guys sure wish our partners loved to drive.

Oh and tell her to remember when she drives the real car, to remember its a bit different. :nervous:
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I gotta admit, I’m definitely a lucky guy, she even attempted to take up golf one summer. I gots me a keeper for sure. :D

In other news, this just happened. Yeah Baby!! 1:29.3 :D
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sturk0167
Anybody know what the deal is with those guys who use the same name for PSN? Like ORMA_____, or Turismo_____. Are they groups that do private lobbies together, or what?
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I’ve often wondered this as well, there are quite a few of these “groups” too.
 
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