"Daily" Race Discussion [Archive]

[Robben]

Had 2 races with Subaru.
What a disaster, more than half drivers dropping rating all way down to E and battle for 1st place is a crash battle.
All that in A/S.With SS and BS also.
Still managed to stay with the clean group and progress but you would think by now most of people would have reached their rank plateaus.
The problem is they can climb up the ranks again too easily and the mixed rank races because of not enough people?
Let's try C race...

Wow!

 

[ChrisWAFC]

Easy guys. Don't generalise in that respect. Every nation has its arseholes!

I agree mate im sure every nation hates me when im racing as I've been rammed by them all

 

[Robben]

well done @ASH32

 

[ASH32]

To be fair I don't where that came from, this is not one of my better tracks and I didn't get a win. Got punted first corner in my last race from a serial offender (who of course shall remain nameless/not one of the top ten), when I reckon I could have won that time but had to battle back to 2nd from 6th. I was as high as 3rd too in the region earlier until more fast guys came on and V--Cristian94-- improved his time. I caved under his pressure earlier and ended up coming 3rd in a race too, then I followed him for most of another race until he'd dc'd on the last lap but that was still a 2nd for me as Keev1990 was way in front. Still not bad when I don't feel great at this track.

 

[Macboyilija]

Had a wonderful morning with Mazda MX5 on Kyoto. Some clean racing and some less clean people looking for gaps. There is a “glitch” at this track that #7 has more speed than the rest and he passes all. Ot really fair since he is not that fast and therefore risking too much. But what can you do... was cleaner on B level.

Saw someone from GT Planet which was nice. My new tag works !

Had 4 consecutive clean races fighting up front ! 5th race they intentionally put me off track (very dirty) and 6th race was clean. So no 6 consecutive clean races ..... sooooo close

But it is possible fighting at the top and still getting 6 clean races !!

 

[Robben]

Had a wonderful morning with Mazda MX5 on Kyoto. Some clean racing and some less clean people looking for gaps. There is a “glitch” at this track that #7 has more speed than the rest and he passes all.

This happened in the R34 at Suzuka to me! I started 8th and the guys in 10th and 11th came flying past me as soon as the race started.

 

[dzumaalcapone]

This happened in the R34 at Suzuka to me! I started 8th and the guys in 10th and 11th came flying past me as soon as the race started.

I've seen that kind of stuff happen a lot. Sometimes it's been me. I remember once at Maggiore I started third and at the first corner I was neck-n-neck with the guy who started first.

 

[TheNorfolkDad]

Yeah I noticed that too, not the first time I’ve seen it. Beats getting started on the final turn when you’re in a Gr.3 car like yesterday. Saw so many peoples race over before it had even started haha

 

[Invisigoth]

First race of the evening down. Zoom zoom! it's way too easy to scrub speed with the MX-5. I started second from the back (I had boost issues and was disqualified from qualifying ). I didn't get to see what it was like at the front, but the back was fairly clean. Mostly As and Bs but there were a few of us Ds.

The guy behind me was racing clean, but he must have been frustrated. He was faster, but I kept shutting the door on him getting on to my line. Finally he managed to get enough drive on me out of a corner to be able to get past me before the next corner, so I moved aside. Someone else planted it into a wall so I didn't finish last! I didn't hit any walls, didn't hit any other cars and gained another couple of SR points. All in all, it could be worse!

 

[TheGeologist]

I've seen that kind of stuff happen a lot. Sometimes it's been me. I remember once at Maggiore I started third and at the first corner I was neck-n-neck with the guy who started first.

I hope PD evens out the starts soon. There are times where I start up to 2 seconds behind the guy in front of me...

 

[ASH32]

Yes starting on pole was an issue earlier for me too. The game had me in first banging on the rev limited when I got control so 2nd getting past before the first corner was highly likely. Other times you get control at just the wrong time and either lose tons of time to the car in front or risk spinning by trying to go faster than you really should.

 

[bdz_apa]

I hope PD evens out the starts soon. There are times where I start up to 2 seconds behind the guy in front of me...

I noticed some guy named Auto Drive handles the car pretty bad , so it must be him to blame

 

[_ApexPredator]

Yeah the auto drive/rolling starts are horrible - save that **** for the One Makes etc - GR.4 upwards should have standing starts, IMO.

 

[Robben]

Yeah the auto drive/rolling starts are horrible - save that **** for the One Makes etc - GR.4 upwards should have standing starts, IMO.

Problem here is that people would pick whatever car is quickest off the line to get ahead

 

[_ApexPredator]

Problem here is that people would pick whatever car is quickest off the line to get ahead

Not really a problem; doubt the car that has the most grip off the line would also have the highest top end, best braking performance, most balanced, etc...

It's more so people using TCS aren't horribly disadvantaged at the start, but... meh, practice starts; can always turn TCS back on after the launch anyway.

 

[Robben]

Not really a problem; doubt the car that has the most grip off the line would also have the highest top end, best braking performance, most balanced, etc...

Sure, but in a short race just putting yourself in front gives you a good chance of staying there.

It's more so people using TCS aren't horribly disadvantaged at the start, but... meh, practice starts; can always turn TCS back on after the launch anyway.

Good point 👍

 

[Invisigoth]

Second race down, this time with the Scooby Doo. Line up was a bit better, about 6 DR/Ds, the rest a mist of Bs and Cs. I only had time for 2 qualifying laps and somehow ended up starting in 6th place. The beginning was kinda tough, because the guys in front seemed to be braking harder than they needed to and it was hard not to hit any one. At one stage I was in 3rd but couldn't hang with the big boys and finished 5th. Finally some points !

 

[Scaff]

Yeah the auto drive/rolling starts are horrible - save that **** for the One Makes etc - GR.4 upwards should have standing starts, IMO.

Standing starts in GTS (and GT5 and GT6) are actually far worse, due to the borked low speed physics.

Now even if they were fixed, it should logically be the other way around, given that GT3 and LMP 1 races are rolling starts in reality and lower class GT series tend to have standing starts.

 

[Satomiblood]

Race A: N100 (Mazda Roadster) - Kyoto Driving Park - 6 laps
Race B: N500 (WRX Gr.B Road car) - Lago Maggiore - West - 4 laps
Race C: Gr.3 - Nürburgring GP - 10 laps

Races A and B sound like fun.

 

[_ApexPredator]

Standing starts in GTS (and GT5 and GT6) are actually far worse, due to the borked low speed physics.

What's up with the low speed physics? I've raced in all of the Gran Turismos you mention, for years, and I've never had any issues with standing starts :S

I've raced in GT S for just about 4 weeks now, and I've seen & experienced no end of issues with the rolling starts.

Now even if they were fixed, it should logically be the other way around, given that GT3 and LMP 1 races are rolling starts in reality and lower class GT series tend to have standing starts.

Perhaps, but one of the main reasons GT organisers prefer the rolling start > standing start is safety - horrible way to start a 24h race if a car stalls mid pack and you have a grid of 50+ cars; we don't exactly have that concern in GT Sport.

 

[AverageRacer]

No more race B for me, the amount of people trying to squeeze through keyholes gives me road rage.

 

[Scaff]

What's up with the low speed physics? I've raced in all of the Gran Turismos you mention, for years, and I've never had any issues with standing starts :S

I've raced in GT S for just about 4 weeks now, and I've seen & experienced no end of issues with the rolling starts.

The tyres do not pick up anything like they should in reality, with the physics engine jumping straight to spin that sees the engine red-line and bounce off the limiter constantly.

Here's a comparison of full throttle launches in GTS, PC2 and AC compared to reality.



Its an issue that first appeared in GT5 and has been with the series ever since, which coincidentally was the time just about all races moved to a rolling start.

The tyre model does also at times suffer from the old issue (and well know one if the model is based on Pacejka magic curves, as many tyre models in sims used to be) of sliding sideways when stationary or moving slowly on heavily sloped surfaces (I've had it happen with the ST at the start/finish straight at Brands.

An issue also exists that almost appears to be two tyre models switching over (or some code to try and smooth out issues).



To a degree this kind of thing was almost understandable back in the GT5 days, but in comparison to the best of the models around, its got a lot of catching up to do.

Perhaps, but one of the main reasons GT organisers prefer the rolling start > standing start is safety - horrible way to start a 24h race if a car stalls mid pack and you have a grid of 50+ cars; we don't exactly have that concern in GT Sport.

Indeed that may well be a factors. Doesn't however explain why its been sued almost exclusively for starts in single player since GT5.

 

[Sean Renon]

Going to spend some time on Nurb GP tonight, I had a good qualifying time on Alsace last night (2:00.2), but boy could I not put a complete race together.

 

[_ApexPredator]

Indeed that may well be a factors. Doesn't however explain why its been sued almost exclusively for starts in single player since GT5.

That's simple. Single player caters to pad players. Rolling starts are far easier for pad users because; a) they don't get bogged by TCS, and b) it's harder to modulate throttle input to get a good launch without TCS.

I can't remember ever doing a rolling start in GT 6 multiplayer, and out of the thousands of standing starts, I never [knowingly] experienced any of these physics issues you're describing - which leads me to believe they're likely not as bad as your claim.

 

[Invisigoth]

Finished the final race for me tonight, Gr3. Started in 8th, finished in 8th. Actually got some points!

Things seemed to be reasonably clean with the exception of someone in a viper who seemed to find the need to crash into every car they came across. I got knocked off the track once, but had enough momentum to get it back on track without re-spawning. I think the RSR seemed to be handling at it's best from my perspective about a lap before i was due to pit.

So after my 3 races I finish the night with 99 points for my SR and some points for my DR... which I will no doubt loose tomorrow!

 

[Nuschel01]

That's simple. Single player caters to pad players. Rolling starts are far easier for pad users because; a) they don't get bogged by TCS, and b) it's harder to modulate throttle input to get a good launch without TCS.

I can't remember ever doing a rolling start in GT 6 multiplayer, and out of the thousands of standing starts, I never [knowingly] experienced any of these physics issues you're describing - which leads me to believe they're likely not as bad as your claim.

GT6 had - at least imho - far better slow moving tire physics than GTS does, try launching a car in GTS, you just hit redline and the tires spin until you hit maximum speed of the gear which is far too late to upshift. Basically launching in GTS is like launching on ice with racing slick tires...

 

[Tarabass]

Did one race on Lago Maggiore, and my SR dropped with 16p.

 

[Scaff]

I can't remember ever doing a rolling start in GT 6 multiplayer, and out of the thousands of standing starts, I never [knowingly] experienced any of these physics issues you're describing - which leads me to believe they're likely not as bad as your claim.

How bad they are depends on what you expect, what you are happy to accept and how close you want them to reality.

In comparison to the only benchmark for physics accuracy we have (reality) they are bad.

 

[Cuber Tom]

Just finished 2 races at nurburgring. Qualifed on pole in both races by a tenth. I think there were a couple of other GTP guys racing as well.

First race want done to third after a couple of laps. I was very close to getting caught up in a battle, but I just managed to get away. Took p2 on lap 4, pitted on lap 5 and took the lead in the stops and won by 2 seconds

Second race lad the whole way, fuel saving in the first stint while maintaining a 2 second lead, which extended to 5 after the stops and 8 at the end of the race.

 

[ASH32]

Just finished 2 races at nurburgring. Qualifed on pole in both races by a tenth. I think there were a couple of other GTP guys racing as well.

First race want done to third after a couple of laps. I was very close to getting caught up in a battle, but I just managed to get away. Took p2 on lap 4, pitted on lap 5 and took the lead in the stops and won by 2 seconds

Second race lad the whole way, fuel saving in the first stint while maintaining a 2 second lead, which extended to 5 after the stops and 8 at the end of the race.

It went up to that much because the guy starting 5th ended up 2nd. Sorry about the bump in the first race too, totally mucked up there so let you and two others, since they were pratically stuck to you, so I had no choice, back through, the first race wasn't good for me, too many errors especially after I got stuck behind the other cars.

Second was much better but by the time I got into 2nd you were long gone and to be honest you are easily quicker than me anyway. I did well to beat a couple of the other guys though, they aren't bad themselves.