"Daily" Race Discussion [Archive]

[Chiefy17]

Its cute how people like twitcher deliberately turns my initial argument upside down and brings real racing into play in order to bolster their weak premise time and time again. When i've clearly stated from the beginning that real racing is something entirely different and has nothing to do with my conjecture.

For the last time: its absolutely within the realm of plausability that an average joe, given enough time and hard work, may one day achieve top 10 in GTS. And its completely irrelevant if this person has a diminished retention rate compared to a prodigy and would reach that goal 25% (or whatever) slower. The key point is that its possible.

Ergo, when somebody claims to have plateaued, being considerably off pace, likely running various aids that inherently inhibits his progression, yes i think its a legitimate modus operandi to call him out on it, with the explanation -- him/her being lazy. Because ultimately when one gives up on improving based on the belief of having plateaued, this in itself is a clear cut excuse for not bothering to work hard to overcome a hurdle. Its like saying: oh heck, i don't understand these partial differential equations, i think i have plateaued in my studies, i better drop out from uni to flip burgers. Its comically dichotomous. My answer to that would be: either you're stupid or you're lazy, and since you're not stupid...

What a load of rubbish. Because one, namely me has gone as fast as i feel i can over 35 plus races with the limited time i have does not make me lazy.

 

[AUTISTICBOYX]

I wholeheartedly agree with you, except for the lazy part. You're not wrong that without the needed effort it's only natural that you cannot make it into the Top 10, but the reasons for not putting down the effort may be something other than laziness. It could be work, family, or in my case, school and studying for entrance exams. Maybe priority is also a factor here, since I give around an equal priority to my schoolwork and GTS it could be why I get the occassional Top 10. If I were to reword your last paragraph, it'd be something like this:

Saying that you've plateued is saying that you've given up. Whether be it by laziness or priorities, the fact that you gave up is still there. If you really wanted to improve, there would always be a way to do so.

Yes you are absolutely right. Also this is a game, its ment to be a brief distraction from reality. Some people however choose to take it further. When someone claims to have plateaued, this is implicitly saying that the person has put some work into improving, ergo he is by default past that casual stage. A casual person (who most likely doesnt take the game seriously) is not aware of his perceived limitations because its not in his intention to push boundaries. He hops in for fun.

Ergo i feel that "apply yourself" encouragement disguised under the word "lazy" is legitimate. That's my view on it, feel free to disagree.

 

[VeeDoubleU]

Did the weekly race times get deleted after BOP Changes or not?

 

[Hasnain282]

Did the weekly race times get deleted after BOP Changes or not?

No they didn't

 

[AUTISTICBOYX]

What a load of rubbish. Because one, namely me has gone as fast as i feel i can over 35 plus races with the limited time i have does not make me lazy.

So you are saying you can no longer improve. Well then, either you are racing on the edge of what is possible or you choose not to improve (for whatever reason). Its very simple.

 

[Chiefy17]

So you are saying you can no longer improve. Well then, either you are racing on the edge of what is possible or you choose not to improve (for whatever reason). Its very simple.

If i had time sure i probably could improve at that track but unfortunately with you know a job kids wife etc i cant sit at a monitor and play all damn day and my point stands that because I cant do that does not make me lazy. Means I have other crap to do.

 

[Alpha Cipher]

Yes you are absolutely right. Also this is a game, its ment to be a brief distraction from reality. Some people however choose to take it further. When someone claims to have plateaued, this is implicitly saying that the person has put some work into improving, ergo he is by default past that casual stage. A casual person (who most likely doesnt take the game seriously) is not aware of his perceived limitations because its not in his intention to push boundaries. He hops in for fun.

Ergo i feel that "apply yourself" encouragement disguised under the word "lazy" is legitimate. That's my view on it, feel free to disagree.

Not gonna lie, you could've worded it better but I get the gist of what you're saying and I agree as well

 

[AUTISTICBOYX]

If i had time sure i probably could improve at that track but unfortunately with you know a job kids wife etc i cant sit at a monitor and play all damn day and my point stands that because I cant do that does not make me lazy. Means I have other crap to do.

Absolutely and you're doing the right thing. But then don't misuse the word "plateaued", because that implies that you have pushed yourself hard improving and no longer able to, and that's not the case here. You choose not to, due to your obligations in real life!

 

[rono_thomas]

Was a misguided attempt at motivation?

Misguided in what sense exactly?

Ergo i feel that "apply yourself" encouragement disguised under the word "lazy" is legitimate.

Exactly.

 

[inri]

Does anyone know the criteria for S DR rank? I only ask since I've seen people who are clearly fast but also people at around B/A DR pace with it

 

[Alpha Cipher]

Does anyone know the criteria for S DR rank? I only ask since I've seen people who are clearly fast but also people at around B/A DR pace with it

Top 200 in your region, or Top 10 in your country/manufacturer of choice. You can be a D rank but as long as you're, say, from Alfa Romeo or a small country you're still technically S rank

 

[Lost Sheltie]

I have a DR of around 38000 atm but chose VW in the manufacturers FIA (checked the pre-season results and picked the worst manufacturer) races so ended up 2nd in Season 1 and 2 and got my S ranking

 

[Invisigoth]

Does anyone know the criteria for S DR rank? I only ask since I've seen people who are clearly fast but also people at around B/A DR pace with it

Oh oh oh! I know this one!!!! First you have to gain positions by knocking people off the track. I recommend anything with a Ford badge 👍. Ideally you want to do this in a manner that doesn't get you penalties. It will save some time and effort later on in the second part of the strategy . You will quickly gain DR and go up to higher levels. The tricky part is that you have to sacrifice some DR points to regain the SR points that being a dick has lost you, before you get a DR reset. Don't worry. The points you gained from being a dick will be far greater than those you will loose from re-building SR . The reason you loose DR doing this is because you are too crap to actually win cleanly . It's vitally important that you exit the race the split second the post race screen comes up, so no one has time to report you. This too is strategy. Before you know it you will be DR/S even though you don't have the pace to actually be there. This is a game. The object of the game is to get as many points as possible and reach the highest level possible. This strategy is called gaming .

 

[RavingBonkers]

Oh oh oh! I know this one!!!! First you have to gain positions by knocking people off the track. I recommend anything with a Ford badge 👍. Ideally you want to do this in a manner that doesn't get you penalties. It will save some time and effort later on in the second part of the strategy . You will quickly gain DR and go up to higher levels. The tricky part is that you have to sacrifice some DR points to regain the SR points that being a dick has lost you, before you get a DR reset. Don't worry. The points you gained from being a dick will be far greater than those you will loose from re-building SR . The reason you loose DR doing this is because you are too crap to actually win cleanly . It's vitally important that you exit the race the split second the post race screen comes up, so no one has time to report you. This too is strategy. Before you know it you will be DR/S even though you don't have the pace to actually be there. This is a game. The object of the game is to get as many points as possible and reach the highest level possible. This strategy is called gaming .

Have you been drinking

 

[iM3GTR]

Is it just me or is the M4 Gr. 4 woeful on fuel? I was short shifting to fuel save, and still had 20% less at the pitstop compared to the Evos.

Either it's the car, or the new tyre model has hit me even worse than I thought and I am miles behind everyone else while also being worse at fuel management.

 

[05XR8]

The Scirocco and Atenza yield 2.4-2.5 laps at the pit stop on lap 5. GT-R was bad at 1.0 laps and WRX @1.4. I'm trying the Mustang next.

A player in an Evo was a total.... Bumping and bulldozing everyone. Dive bombed me at the final chicane. So, I served him back. He even had a penalty and stops at the finish line to serve it. Just ruined my relaxing race.


Edit and... He's one of the higher qualifiers. In my race again starting from 3rd and I'm in 16th.

 

[Invisigoth]

Is it just me or is the M4 Gr. 4 woeful on fuel? I was short shifting to fuel save, and still had 20% less at the pitstop compared to the Evos.

It's DP. The M4 was the previous META for Gr4. It was easy to do no stop Race C. They nerfed it on an update, and over compensated.

 

[iM3GTR]

It's DP. The M4 was the previous META for Gr4. It was easy to do no stop Race C. They nerfed it on an update, and over compensated.

This might sound stupid, but what does DP stand for?

I knew they slowed it down, and adjusted the fuel, but not to that extent. To be honest, I wouldn't mind if they did that to the Megane Trophy after this FIA season is over.

 

[Invisigoth]

This might sound stupid, but what does DP stand for?

That was my mistake. PD. Polyphony Digital.

 

[05XR8]

Second to last race. The Mustang was bad with fuel as well. 1.1 laps at the pit stop.

Anyway, last race for the night.

A little bit frantic. It was as if I couldn't get grip in the opening lap. A bit of understeer, avoiding cars going off., which saw me go off at the bowl hairpin.

Again, good gas Mileage allowed me to jump a couple cars. Faught an Evo til last lap, when it slowed to serve a penalty. All in all, the Aten... Er, Acc.., served me well.

 

[syntex123]

Started 7th and finished 4th after sitting comfortably at 3rd since the second lap. A guy in a Megane Trophy outsmarted me with the no-pitting strategy.

I had this annoying Audi TT behind me until I pitted at lap 6, at each turn he would flash his lights. Is this a distraction technique? If so, do you use it/have you experienced guys like this?

I almost switched to bonnet cam, but I kept my cool and he was pushed further back after I drove into the pit.

 

[meck_rb7]

Just did my first Sport race since the update. Got a clean race bonus, no penalties at al, no SR down.

After the race i check KP and i'm from 99 to 95??

What's going on PD?

 

[xxxman1]

Second to last race. The Mustang was bad with fuel as well. 1.1 laps at the pit stop.

Anyway, last race for the night.

A little bit frantic. It was as if I couldn't get grip in the opening lap. A bit of understeer, avoiding cars going off., which saw me go off at the bowl hairpin.

Again, good gas Mileage allowed me to jump a couple cars. Faught an Evo til last lap, when it slowed to serve a penalty. All in all, the Aten... Er, Acc.., served me well.

I was in the same race with you Started 5th and finished at 15th. Bumping anywhere at Sr 99 I am now Sr B after 3 race c. No way to escape the T1 divebomb.

 

[twitcher]

Its cute how people like twitcher deliberately turns my initial argument upside down and brings real racing into play in order to bolster their weak premise time and time again. When i've clearly stated from the beginning that real racing is something entirely different and has nothing to do with my conjecture.

For the last time: its absolutely within the realm of plausability that an average joe, given enough time and hard work, may one day achieve top 10 in GTS. And its completely irrelevant if this person has a diminished retention rate compared to a prodigy and would reach that goal 25% (or whatever) slower. The key point is that its possible.

Ergo, when somebody claims to have plateaued, being considerably off pace, likely running various aids that inherently inhibits his progression, yes i think its a legitimate modus operandi to call him out on it, with the explanation -- him/her being lazy. Because ultimately when one gives up on improving based on the belief of having plateaued, this in itself is a clear cut excuse for not bothering to work hard to overcome a hurdle. Its like saying: oh heck, i don't understand these partial differential equations, i think i have plateaued in my studies, i better drop out from uni to flip burgers. Its comically dichotomous. My answer to that would be: either you're stupid or you're lazy, and since you're not stupid...

First, if you want to make reference to me in a post, tag me, or quote me. It’s basic common courtesy on a forum.

Second, I’m not deliberately twisting your words. I just simply disagree with you in your stance that everyone has the exact same ability to reach the same level, with the only determining factor being how much work they put in. I’m simply saying that at the highest levels of racing, in either a sim or real life, natural skill and ability comes into play.

Third, you still haven’t given any kind of explanation why sim racing is “completely different” from real racing. In a previous post, you discribed sim racing as “sitting still for 15 minutes flicking some buttons on a controller,” so you either have no idea what you’re talking about, or you’re trolling at this point.

Edit: forgot to also add the following

You’ve also claimed that the plateau of mental disciplines can be determined by genetics (natural ability), while at the same time saying that genetics plays no role in determining the plateau in a physical activity like driving a sim. You’ve also dismissed the notion that there’s a mental aspect to racing, while at the same time said that racing a sim is not a physical discipline.

And you backed it all up with, “these are my strong beliefs”.

 

[Strax]

I started tackling Sport Mode once again, now that I'm on vacation, and Race B is my choice for the week. Been facing the Ford GT army in a Lexus RC F Prototype, always been the only Lexus driver. Had a very fun race yesterday, starting 6th behind a Beetle and four GTs. Eventually ended 3rd, would've been 2nd if not for a penalty of 2 seconds for hitting a laggy GT that appeared out of nowhere in front of me, braking...whatever, it was fun. Nice overtake on the Beetle on lap 4 when entering the S do Senna, and most important thing: we put a Beetle and a Lexus on the podium, against the GT invasion

 

[AUTISTICBOYX]

Started 7th and finished 4th after sitting comfortably at 3rd since the second lap. A guy in a Megane Trophy outsmarted me with the no-pitting strategy.

I had this annoying Audi TT behind me until I pitted at lap 6, at each turn he would flash his lights. Is this a distraction technique? If so, do you use it/have you experienced guys like this?

I almost switched to bonnet cam, but I kept my cool and he was pushed further back after I drove into the pit.

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Its a symptom of using the pad, happens to all of us pad users. When we turn hard we sometimes accidentally press the stick. 👍

 

[syntex123]

Its a symptom of using the pad, happens to all of us pad users. When we turn hard we sometimes accidentally press the stick. 👍

Smart to change the button configuration then, my setup makes it easier to flash when you mean to flash etc.

 

[twitcher]

Smart to change the button configuration then, my setup makes it easier to flash when you mean to flash etc.

No no no , that’s the whole point

Back in GT6, I used to purposely put the flash High beams on L3. If you’ve ever watched people drift street cars, as their hands are flying over the wheel, they often bump their turn indicators and high beams, so from the outside, it looks like the lights are going crazy.

It’s all about the immersion man

I agree it’s a little silly in a race car though.

 

[banckzy]

Going to give race C a go tonight.... are the short shifting no-stop trophies still around?

 

[sundaydriving]

Oh oh oh! I know this one!!!! First you have to gain positions by knocking people off the track. I recommend anything with a Ford badge 👍. Ideally you want to do this in a manner that doesn't get you penalties. It will save some time and effort later on in the second part of the strategy . You will quickly gain DR and go up to higher levels. The tricky part is that you have to sacrifice some DR points to regain the SR points that being a dick has lost you, before you get a DR reset. Don't worry. The points you gained from being a dick will be far greater than those you will loose from re-building SR . The reason you loose DR doing this is because you are too crap to actually win cleanly . It's vitally important that you exit the race the split second the post race screen comes up, so no one has time to report you. This too is strategy. Before you know it you will be DR/S even though you don't have the pace to actually be there. This is a game. The object of the game is to get as many points as possible and reach the highest level possible. This strategy is called gaming .

Ethicaly questionable but the fact is people will game any system to work in their favour.