"Daily" Race Discussion [Archive]

[Invisigoth]

The M4 is pretty damn good. Poor fuel economy, but so balanced and easy on the tyres.
So many Evos. I chased down two of them and a Huracan, after my pit stop.

The M4... that's a Honda yeh?

 

[TheGeologist]

Have just run my first real laps since the tire model update.

It's way different and a lot more difficult to drive now. I am trash at Interlagos

 

[Cap'n Jack]

Okay, which one of you guys is UNC_Pubs? We sure had a battle on our hands against a few dirty Evo drivers playing for keeps. Funny thing is, if they just kept it clean their finishing position would’ve been better.

 

[stpatty]

The M4 is a boat and Willow Springs is probably the worst track I've ever driven on in any Gran Turismo. What a combination.

 

[Sven Jurgens]

Not too long ago i was 2-3 seconds off pace (just like you), running all kinds of driving aids, not bothering to analyse laps or maximize the track limits, braked whenever i felt like, coasted a lot, and so forth...But then i felt that was completely inadequate to my own standards (not necessarily pertaining to racing). So i dismantled the aids one-by-one, started spinning out on every turn, watched a few videos on various racing techniques, analysed the "aliens", built a routine that works for me so i can ideally play gts on a daily basis (or at least aim for that). And then i got to work. Right now my interlagos quali is a 1.31.7 or sonething in an SLS (that i feel i can shave off a bit more) which is about 0.5s off top 10 pace on EU (and this region is quite rapacious). And i still have to ditch CSA assist and learn to trailbrake properly, amongst other things. So if i can do this in a short time frame you can too.

Your number one problem seems to be lack of qualifying and practise before jumping into a race.

The thing is, I have no standards, hotlapping is the most boring thing in the world to me while jumping onto a track with a car I don't know and winging it is the most exciting. I've reached DR.S once while qualifying and grinding a track with one car, won 2 FIA races in the past, now I simply drive for fun while keeping my SR maxed starting from the back. The classic GT experience, start last, see how far you can get.

Just a thought about lag and maybe a possible solution? Maybe this is something PD could actually use to fix the lagging players issues. Since it's easily detectible if someone's experiencing a lot of lag, what if PD would just let lagging drivers get automatically half-ghosted? Make it so that the lagging one does have collision impacts in his game, so not truly ghosted, but other players can still drive through the lagging player? So that you won't get hit by a lag spiking car that was actually driving 20meters away from you...

The game needs better prediction and fail saves so keep the lagging cars on a more stable line. The game needs to assume the lagging car follows a reasonable racing line instead of scraping the wall and jumping back into the middle of the track. Perhaps that costs too many resources as when your internet has a lag spike you see the whole field suddenly move sideways into the walls. Calculating reasonable paths for 19 cars when your internet lags might be too costly.

 

[CurbHog]

Did the update last night make changes to the tire model again? Yesterday I did 4 clean races on Big Willow, today all 3 races I went off the track :/ It's like I'm driving a hovercraft now.

Funny, I was thinking the same. I did qualifying in the Emil Lexus the day before the update and then went in to the actual Interlagos race the day after update and now it's like a "hovercraft" as you describe it.
Anyone else noticed ?

 

[golfer07840]

Please.. that Race A is like driving on a sheet of ice. Not sure if it's the update or just a bad Car/Track combo. Unless there is some mystery setting that I am unaware of that makes that crappy M4 driveable on that course.

 

[cleanLX]

i think its a legitimate modus operandi to call him out on it, with the explanation -- him/her being lazy. Because ultimately when one gives up on improving based on the belief of having plateaued, this in itself is a clear cut excuse for not bothering to work hard to overcome a hurdle. Its like saying: oh heck, i don't understand these partial differential equations, i think i have plateaued in my studies, i better drop out from uni to flip burgers. Its comically dichotomous. My answer to that would be: either you're stupid or you're lazy, and since you're not stupid...

I've not read every post since this, so forgive me...
I think altering one word in your repeated defense of your belief would provide agreement among the community
Rather than lazy... maybe consider priority...
Having said that, I also think calling other folks in the community "lazy", with regard to commitment to a "game" portrays you (at least from my perception) as a person who has few responsibilities or obligations in the real world, which makes it hard for me to put much value in the remainder of your argument... despite your use of impressive diction and even some Latin.
I guess I'm lazy because I work 10-12 hours a day construction.
I guess I'm lazy after working 10-12 hours a day getting home and doing my calisthenics.
I guess I'm lazy after working 10-12 hours, doing my calisthenics then cooking supper for my wife since I get home first.
I guess I'm lazy for after all that, taking the dogs for a walk.
I guess I'm lazy when weather screws with us and I have to work all night, or all weekend... or both.
I guess I'm lazy when I hike the mountain we live at the base of.
I guess I'm lazy when I'm mountain biking in the desert/mountains.
I guess I'm lazy when i spend a morning watching the sun rise and talking to my wife on the patio.
I guess I'm lazy when I spend all Friday evening preparing my Jeep for a day in the Mountains, spending all day 4-wheeling with friends.
I guess I'm lazy when I spend all day unloading the Jeep, and cleaning/inspecting/maintaining it.
I guess I'm lazy when I cut the grass, trim the shrubs/trees, pull weeds, maintain the pool, plant flowers.
I guess I'm lazy when I load up my car and trailer it to the track 250miles away, race it all day while hanging out with friends, then spend the following day cleaning it up, swapping wheels/tires/swaybars to setting it back to pedestrian mode.
I guess I'm lazy when I spend an evening out to diner with the wife, and other couples.
...
errr... do I just have different priorities?

lazy... I might be a lot of things, but lazy is not one thank you.

 

[AUTISTICBOYX]

I've not read every post since this, so forgive me...
I think altering one word in your repeated defense of your belief would provide agreement among the community
Rather than lazy... maybe consider priority...
Having said that, I also think calling other folks in the community "lazy", with regard to commitment to a "game" portrays you (at least from my perception) as a person who has few responsibilities or obligations in the real world, which makes it hard for me to put much value in the remainder of your argument... despite your use of impressive diction and even some Latin.
I guess I'm lazy because I work 10-12 hours a day construction.
I guess I'm lazy after working 10-12 hours a day getting home and doing my calisthenics.
I guess I'm lazy after working 10-12 hours, doing my calisthenics then cooking supper for my wife since I get home first.
I guess I'm lazy for after all that, taking the dogs for a walk.
I guess I'm lazy when weather screws with us and I have to work all night, or all weekend... or both.
I guess I'm lazy when I hike the mountain we live at the base of.
I guess I'm lazy when I'm mountain biking in the desert/mountains.
I guess I'm lazy when i spend a morning watching the sun rise and talking to my wife on the patio.
I guess I'm lazy when I spend all Friday evening preparing my Jeep for a day in the Mountains, spending all day 4-wheeling with friends.
I guess I'm lazy when I spend all day unloading the Jeep, and cleaning/inspecting/maintaining it.
I guess I'm lazy when I cut the grass, trim the shrubs/trees, pull weeds, maintain the pool, plant flowers.
I guess I'm lazy when I load up my car and trailer it to the track 250miles away, race it all day while hanging out with friends, then spend the following day cleaning it up, swapping wheels/tires/swaybars to setting it back to pedestrian mode.
I guess I'm lazy when I spend an evening out to diner with the wife, and other couples.
...
errr... do I just have different priorities?

lazy... I might be a lot of things, but lazy is not one thank you.

I think this storm in a teacup derives from an initial misnomer and then wrongful interpretation on account of other people. When somebody claims to have plateaued, this (at least in my mind) implies that the person has exhausted everything in his power to improve and only therefore has stalled. When people who are considerably off-pace, use every aid known to man and fail to grasp basic racecraft claim to have "plateaued", I interpret it as a disguised attempt to downplay mediocrity and substantial lack of effort, and frankly a bit loathsome toward people who actually have plateaued. So i stand by my response to a misused word.

Not improving by choice due to obligations in life does not constitute to having plateaued -- when you haven't even given it your best shot. Nor does that make you lazy either, as you say.

 

[twitcher]

So, after getting my SR up to S last week with both the S660 race, and the Suzuka race, last night I got a taste of the struggles people have with SR

I was doing race C, trying a few different cars from my garage, settled on the Viper and the Fezza. At the start of the night, I was DR-B SR-S. Qualified with a 2:08.006.

Long story short, after 3 races, I was down to C/C, just from getting taken out in T1 and then having to battle with the heathens. Once I was out of that SR-S catagory, I couldn’t believe how ugly the racing was Went up against a Brazillian who was DR-S, SR-E, and going down .

Managed to work my way back to B/B, I’ll probably get back to B/A tonight....but really, it’s not much fun, you have to race so passively just avoid the penalties. I’ll probably get my SR back to S, just for the badge of honour, and then put sport down. I hate the systems where one bad event, which is largely beyond your control, rapidly drops you into lower brackets that then become an absolute chore to work your way out of. It was the same in PCARS with the driver rating...it becomes almost worse than grinding credits.

 

[Chiefy17]

I think this storm in a teacup derives from an initial misnomer and then wrongful interpretation on account of other people. When somebody claims to have plateaued, this (at least in my mind) implies that the person has exhausted everything in his power to improve and only therefore has stalled. When people who are considerably off-pace, use every aid known to man and fail to grasp basic racecraft claim to have "plateaued", I interpret it as a disguised attempt to downplay mediocrity and substantial lack of effort, and frankly a bit loathsome toward people who actually have plateaued. So i stand by my response to a misused word.

Not improving by choice due to obligations in life does not constitute to having plateaued -- when you haven't even given it your best shot. Nor does that make you lazy either, as you say.

I was going to leave it alone but as the initial response way back when was to me I'll just say how is having daily race race times ( just to bring back on topic) of
8.50
8.49
8.51
8.58( off track excursion)
8.49
8.50
8.52
Not fit the definition of a plateua at that point in time? Therefore my use of the word is correct.
Ill also say it is your use of the word initially which is incorrect in which you said everyones plateau should be top 10...maybe you should have said everyones goal should be top 10 then this may have not escalated?

 

[rono_thomas]

wrongful interpretation on account of other people.

Lazy as you wrote it was pretty self explanatory and as more than one have pointed out it’s more likely to be wrongful use rather than interpretation.

Not improving by choice due to obligations in life does not constitute to having plateaued

A plateau is not defined by having expended all possible effort. A plateau is a lack of progress for any reason, therefore by choice or not a lack of progress does constitute having plateaued.

 

[AUTISTICBOYX]

Lazy as you wrote it was pretty self explanatory and as more than one have pointed out it’s more likely to be wrongful use rather than interpretation.



A plateau is not defined by having expended all possible effort. A plateau is a lack of progress for any reason, therefore by choice or not a lack of progress does constitute having plateaued.

Yes but how does one even know his own plateau without eliciting his talent fully? Don't quibble about semantics.

 

[rono_thomas]

Yes but how does one even know his own potential without eliciting his talent fully?

Fixed.

But that was not in question.

This was...

Not improving by choice due to obligations in life does not constitute to having plateaued -- when you haven't even given it your best shot. Nor does that make you lazy either, as you say.

Quite frankly it does, I am not making statements.

 

[Qyn]

Everyone plateaus at some point...even the aliens. I believe I hit my plateau months ago. I just can't go any faster without ruining someone else's race, and I've come to terms accepted it. Pretty sure if I pushed it any further I'd be labeled as a dirty driver lol.

 

[CurbHog]

What's up with the Jason stats site. Seems to be out of commission ??
Are there other sites out there where you can see the fastest lap you have on different tracks (GT Sport site only shows only the latest silly enough)

 

[AUTISTICBOYX]

Fixed.

But that was not in question.

This was...



Quite frankly it does, I am not making statements.

I wasn't talking about potential. Do you really think that someone who is considerably off pace, who evidently hasn't delved deep enough or challenged himself can make a profound call about his current maximum? That kind of racer may as well be lousy today and 2 seconds faster on the same track tomorrow. He could binge watch racecraft on youtube or get coached and gain considerable time on the track. His state is fluid, not plateaued. Plateaued is when someone or something is literally at their limit and shows no or insignificant progress after considerable time.

 

[Chiefy17]

I wasn't talking about potential. Do you really think that someone who is considerably off pace, who evidently hasn't delved deep enough or challenged himself can make a profound call about his current maximum? That kind of racer may as well be lousy today and 2 seconds faster on the same track tomorrow. He could binge watch racecraft on youtube or get coached and gain considerable time on the track. His state is fluid, not plateaued. Plateaued is when someone or something is literally at their limit and shows no or insignificant progress after considerable time.

How can you say evidently when you have 0 knowledge of
a) laps done
b) time free to practice
C) physical state
D) mental state etc etc
Dont assume mate. The only evidence i have given is the lap times above...which by definition is a plateau or stagnant state

 

[rono_thomas]

Plateaued is when someone or something is literally at their limit and shows no or insignificant progress after considerable time.

Defining a plateau in this way is incorrect what you are defining is potential not a plateau.

For example, this performance plateau that you categorised as laziness because you dont believe in such a thing, can be improved upon, through a change in training techniques, through approaches to learning, to education, nonetheless it is a very real plateau.

Yes plateau does not = maximum.

 

[AUTISTICBOYX]

Defining a plateau in this way is incorrect what you are defining is potential not a plateau.

For example, this performance plateau that you categorised as laziness because you dont believe in such a thing can be improved upon, though a change in training techniques, through approaches to learning, to education, nonetheless it is a very real plateau.

Yes plateau does not = maximum.

plateau
ˈplatəʊ/
verb

1. reach a state of little or no change after a period of activity or progress.

Moreover, I didn't define plateau as laziness, as you say, i see it ultimately as an excuse for not seeking improvement. Its easy labeling yourself as inadequate and use various platitudes as "plateaued" as a scapegoat vessel for transference of weakness and shortcomings and call it a day, rather than to work hard for something challenging.

 

[Chiefy17]

plateau
ˈplatəʊ/
verb

1. reach a state of little or no change after a period of activity or progress.

Moreover, I didn't define plateau as laziness, as you say, i see it ultimately as an excuse for not seeking improvement. Its easy labeling yourself as inadequate and use various platitudes as "plateaued" as a scapegoat vessel for transference of weakness and shortcomings and call it a day, rather than to work hard for something challenging.

Lets just throw this out there...which part of this graph which defines a plateau would my lap times sit at as mentioned above..amateur...ok or expert?

 

[rono_thomas]

plateau
ˈplatəʊ/
verb

1. reach a state of little or no change after a period of activity or progress.

Moreover, I didn't define plateau as laziness, as you say, i see it ultimately as an excuse for not seeking improvement. Its easy labeling yourself as inadequate and use various platitudes as "plateaued" as a scapegoat vessel for transference of weakness and shortcomings and call it a day, rather than to work hard for something challenging.

Didnt say you defined plateau as laziness, I did say you put it the same category, laziness can lead to a plateau.

So is a plateau when someone has exerted all effort and not progressed, or, is it when someone has reached a level after a period of time and then not improved. These two statements are very different. Which one are you operating from? The former is potential reached, the latter is a performance plateau for what ever reason.

What you did do was jump to conclusions to the effect that anyone claiming to have plateaued is not trying hard enough, which is an ambiguous statement and until you have evidence is an inaccurate statement and really just a personal suspicion of yours.

 

[twitcher]

Omg @AUTISTICBOYX

You used the terms “lazy” and “plateau” incorrectly when trying to make your point, and have since spent the last several pages digging yourself into a really deep rabbit hole

Just let it go already.

 

[Suntek]

Just had the weirdest race, a car ahead ghost after spinning out, I'm sandwiched and gotta drive thru him.
Result?
Well, his ghosts turned out to be not so ghosty after all..
Drop to last, bumpers everywhere, but I salvage 9th somehow.
Oh and this was orange sr and 3s.. Thanks for that I guess.


Edit:
Next round race B even worse, people intentionally going for rams, Christmas everywhere..
Car spins out on straight exiting T1 after getting rammed, no way avoid it 3s..
Everyone, bar P1, ended up with red rating.

 

[05XR8]

True, but what if they would make a player coming back from ghosting, instead of immediately reverting them back to normal, making them like blink rapidly (between ghost and normal) for a second or so before they stop ghosting? (So that you know he's reverting back from ghosting and have some time for a chance to take countermeasures before you collide into him, if you thought you could go through that player)

Also btw, I was once told you should never consciously drive through ghosts unless there's no other way, always avoid ghosts, I wholeheartedly took that advice, and haven't been going through ghosts on purpose ever since. Think of them as regular cars, not ghosts, because they can unghost at any time, and that might just be the moment when the ghosted car is driving super slowly in front of you, and you want to go through him with for example twice his speed because he was serving a penalty, but at the moment you were supposed to go through him (say you're 0,5m behind him) he unghosts and you crash your car against his back giving him a welcomed boost and yourself a big letdown.
So I don't really think people ghosting from penalties are a problem, but people not being ghosted while having serious lag issues are a problem IMO! But I haven't been racing much lately and haven't had lagging people in those races. (So I can't confirm what @sundaydriving is saying)
I'm guessing Europe probably has the least lag issues of the three regions (I could be wrong, maybe Asia has better internet), but sometimes it seems like lag is caused by the GT servers because in those cases it seems like everyone in the room is lagging, and that's odd when usually it's barely one person who's lagging.

That's better.
I am seeing(in Race C) more players signalling the side to pass, before they slowed, to serve their penalty. Gave me plenty of time to react.

The M4... that's a Honda yeh?

The blue one is a Ford.

 

[HatMarris]

Does anyone else find Interlagos a bit, umm, dull to race at.

Once the initial first corner gangbang is done with the races end up as a procession just following each other round (apart from those in the Fords who bomb past on the main straight)

 

[twitcher]

Two things which I forgot to mention in my story of my slide from S to C. Two weird/annoying things happened in seperate races.

1. I was following someone down the main straight into T1. We were on the correct line, he turned in an clipped the inside curb with his right side tires. I followed the same line, being maybe an inch or two more inside. As soon as my right side wheels touched the inside curb, my car went ghost and reset to the middle of the circuit, ended up costing me 2 positions. I didn’t get a penalty, and didn’t even notice a negative SR rating drop.

I assume it was some sort of “short cut” prevention, but it didn’t function very well. I’ve had other situations where I turned in too early and cut an apex, but just got a penalty for it, not a car reset (wth no penalty??).

Only happened once, but something for people to be mindful of at T1.


2. Different race, I got taken out going into T1. Saw the rammer coming at the last second, so I tried to absorb the hit as best I could, but still ended up way out in the paved runnoff. Dispite the hit though, I maintained control of the car, and was back under way, having only lost 1 spot, and was inches from returning to the circuit, when the game just decided to auto reset my car for me, which ended up costing me 3 more positions as a train of cars just drove straight through me.

Needless to say, I was pretty ticked off by that one. Maybe PD would prefer to drive the car for me, and I could just watch it like a TV show

 

[Chevy Heavy]

OK I'm not lazy or plateaued, but I did stay at a Holiday Inn last night. And I did have a good night racing Interlagos in a Mustang, yeah I know. I made a livery for it awhile back to run at Sarthe but couldn't bring myself to use it because racing my Vette just feels so right for that track. So a 1"32.8xx had me starting near the front and finished with several podiums and top 5's. Haven't run Lagos for a long time, but I really liked it with the new tire model. It's nice to be able to catch oversteer without just spinning like a top. Finished the night on a 4 race clean streak.

I would have had a couple wins if it wasn't for the Evo that was on pole for just about every race. He took several wins. He had a slight edge I believe because of the 4wd. The BOP really works on this track as I saw a good mix of cars in the races. At one point yesterday I had 10 people on my friend's list that had qualified and each one was using a different car. Since we have this race all week I may switch it up and try another car, I think I have reached my "plateau" with the Mustang and am too "lazy" to try to get faster.

 

[AUTISTICBOYX]

Didnt say you defined plateau as laziness, I did say you put it the same category, laziness can lead to a plateau.

So is a plateau when someone has exerted all effort and not progressed, or, is it when someone has reached a level after a period of time and then not improved. These two statements are very different. Which one are you operating from? The former is potential reached, the latter is a performance plateau for what ever reason.

What you did do was jump to conclusions to the effect that anyone claiming to have plateaued is not trying hard enough, which is an ambiguous statement and until you have evidence is an inaccurate statement and really just a personal suspicion of yours.

Categorize and define are practically synonyms FYI, i.e you describe something and put it in a drawer. Again, semantic rhetoric for no reason. Your red herrings don't bite.

So is a plateau when someone has exerted all effort and not progressed, or, is it when someone has reached a level after a period of time and then not improved

The raw definition is clearly the latter but they are not mutually exclusive. To actually know your current plateau you need reliable data and not a 🤬 excuse when there is de facto a ton of improvement to do, on a whim.

 

[Chiefy17]

Categorize and define are practically synonyms FYI, i.e you describe something and put it in a drawer. Again, semantic rhetoric for no reason. Your red herrings don't bite. The raw definition is clearly the latter but they are not mutually exclusive. To actually know your current plateau you need reliable data and not a 🤬 excuse when there is de facto a ton of improvement to do, on a whim.

9 races/ 36 laps at or around the same time give or take a second or 2 seems pretty reliable yeah?