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I want to get my SR back but struggling with Race C,.

So is race A the only race that might be good for getting SR back, I am unbelievably frustrated with the game
today (day off work) and I thought a chance to get some races in but no it had to be the day for SR loss.

Dropped 49 SR points since Wednesday and now I suspect on the verge of dropping ranks.

I've had to walk away from the game twice today to ensure I don't get frustrated but this is not fun when all you
get is ramrod central races.

I even improved my qualifying times to try and get higher up the grid but that doesn't seem to have helped
either.
 
Next week has just appeared on KudosPrime.

Race A - Brands Hatch (Grp X)
Race B - Dragon Trail Seaside (Grp 4)
Race C - Mount Panormama (Grp 3)

I will be spending a TON of time on Race B next week. Even Race A I like the track. However, what will the car be? It can't be the Merc right? That car is just too fast for that track.

It has to be better than this week's Race A. The M4, what an AWFUL AWFUL AWFUL car to drive, especially on a track like Willing Springs. I've spent more times driving sideways than straight.
 
One tip I have for Race C at the moment - just because you can pit late (lap 6+), doesn’t mean that’s the best strategy. I’m noticing a lot of people, mostly Megane drivers, will be in a very comfortable position until they pit too late, letting early stoppers undercut them.

For instance, in a race a few days ago I had a Megane right on my arse until I stopped on lap 5, had he entered the pits at the same time as me he would’ve leapt me due to the fact that he would have to take on less fuel than myself. Instead he held off until lap 7 and lost an easy podium.

But whatever, works for me. :p
I’d agree with an exception being, if you are in the top 3ish (or even just 1st/2nd), and you have a decent lead, pitting at the end of lap 6 or 7 can still work. Anything lower than 3rd though, that won’t work.

In race C, it’s all about the tire deg and managing undercuts.

At the start of the race, everyone is on fresh tires, so nothing to be gained here.

By the end of lap 4, tires are worn enough that if you pit, you’ll be able to do 1 or 2 laps on fresh tires, while others stay out on worn tires. This is where you can make up significant time. Of course, you do become vulnerable on the last couple of laps to someone who has fresher tires, but keep in mind, their tires are fresher, but not brand new (whereas when you exit the pits, you’ll be on brand new tires, while the others are on very worn tires - the lap delta is greater for you than it is for someone who stops late and has fresher tires at the end).

The main downside to stopping early, on lap 3 or 4, is if you are running in the mid top 10, chances are you’ll come out of the pits in traffic, and that traffic will be slower cars. You then have to waste your fresh tires trying to get passed people who have yet to pit (and often times don’t understand race strategy and racecraft).

The desire to avoid coming out of the pits amongst back markers is the main motivation for staying out longer if you are at the front, let’s say in the top 3. Yes, you will be doing laps 5, 6, and possibly 7 on very worn tires. However, if you are in clean air and don’t have to drive defensive (and perhaps have been able to drive in a manor which conserves your tires), often times you’ll still be going as fast or faster than people behind you who are battling for position. The worst thing to do when leading is pit early, and then get stuck in traffic when you exit the pits. This is the motivation for staying out longer - run in clean air, conserve the tires, and pit after most people have, so you don’t lose track position in the pits.

It’s all a balancing act, and it’s why races with pit stops and tire wear are so much fun :)
 
One other disadvantage I think to pitting earlier than you may need to is the fact that you spend a higher percentage of the race running with the heavier weight of carrying more fuel. If you pit at say lap 3 you are still carrying about a half a tank of fuel or more and then go back to the weight of a full fuel load needed to finish the race early.

If you pit at lap 6 you may well be below 1/4 tank at the time of pitting and only need to fill to a lower level to finish the race which has given you a lower overall car weight advantage for a longer period of time or number of laps.

I have found that the extra weight not only affects the cars handling such as turn in but seems to factor in with the rate of tire wear as well to a degree.

This will vary of course somewhat with the car, fuel consumption and tire wear of the individual car. I have found I many times turn my best lap times on the 2nd or 3rd lap of the second stint when my tires are still fairly fresh and my fuel load with the newer tires is at the lowest point reducing the cars overall weight more than it has been over the entire race distance.

I like the longer races with fuel and tire usage and like the different strategies that such races bring into the mix.
 
Thank you PD, for finally convincing me that I'm stupid, great job, I appreciate it, really.

Because this must be the reason why in Nürburgring the qualification is for me a total reduction to try and error, because I'm obviously to dumb to understand the track limits in section 1.
There must be definitely a logic why sometimes there is no penalty and next time there is one at the very same place.

But now I'm easy and totally calmed down, because now I know I'm stupid.
 
Thank you PD, for finally convincing me that I'm stupid, great job, I appreciate it, really.

Because this must be the reason why in Nürburgring the qualification is for me a total reduction to try and error, because I'm obviously to dumb to understand the track limits in section 1.
There must be definitely a logic why sometimes there is no penalty and next time there is one at the very same place.

But now I'm easy and totally calmed down, because now I know I'm stupid.
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I could swear that lap of race B always feels like last 2-3 laps of race C, like tyres suddenly get spent, while still on full tank.
I wasn't even pushing it.. :boggled:
 
So is race A the only race that might be good for getting SR back, I am unbelievably frustrated with the game
today (day off work) and I thought a chance to get some races in but no it had to be the day for SR loss.

Dropped 49 SR points since Wednesday and now I suspect on the verge of dropping ranks.

I've had to walk away from the game twice today to ensure I don't get frustrated but this is not fun when all you
get is ramrod central races.

I even improved my qualifying times to try and get higher up the grid but that doesn't seem to have helped
either.
A clean race is very easy at race A.
 
What's up with race C? In my GT-R i always gain places the first few laps and i'm doing lift and coast to save fuel. But after the pitstop i always lose like 2 or 3 places. Are there many no stoppers? Or is the "meta" just mega on fuel? It's not like i lose a lot of time with the lift and coast because my laptimes are mid/low 2.06 and others where doing the same..
 
Exactly the reason why PD has missed a trick with the racing etiquette section of GTS, the automated systems are always going to be lacking, that is why sport mode competitors need more of an education.
Fact remains that people will ignore it if the perceived rewards outweigh the consequences. i.e. if they think they can get away with it theyll try it... and it only takes one before everyone follows.
 
Fact remains that people will ignore it if the perceived rewards outweigh the consequences. i.e. if they think they can get away with it theyll try it... and it only takes one before everyone follows.
I take my queues from real life. The white lines don’t mean anything. Use quali and practice to constantly push track limits until you find the edge. Once you know where that is, that’s the racing line. It’s the way it works in real life, so good enough for me in the game.

The white lines on the edge of the road are just a friendly suggestion, they don’t actually define anything.
 
Fact remains that people will ignore it if the perceived rewards outweigh the consequences. i.e. if they think they can get away with it theyll try it... and it only takes one before everyone follows.
Of course, these things go hand in hand.

Its all a balancing act, but if harsher consequences are handed out without proper education in racecraft they will be less understood. It’s always a good idea to increase a players knowledge before beating them with a stick.
 
What's up with race C? In my GT-R i always gain places the first few laps and i'm doing lift and coast to save fuel. But after the pitstop i always lose like 2 or 3 places. Are there many no stoppers? Or is the "meta" just mega on fuel? It's not like i lose a lot of time with the lift and coast because my laptimes are mid/low 2.06 and others where doing the same..
It's generally the Trophys that no stop. Evo isn't as good on fuel. I've been using NSX (was in one of your races) and that's quite good on fuel
 
Messed up an opportunity grab 3rd. Tripped myself up too much speed in the middle part of the circuit. Lost time to the 3rd olacedc car(was 3 seconds ahead at the time).

When it pitted, I saw its fuel was at 14. I went one more lap and had 24. It still passed me in exit. An M4 won from Pole, Slophy 2nd, Evo 3rd.
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Next, tried the F-Type from my Daily gift. Holy snaps! :eek: It starts with 10.7laps of fuel.
I babied it(started 10/12 cars) to see what it'll do. The fuel claculation didn't know what to do :lol: Was resetting itself all through the first lap.

Stayed behind an '11 to see if it'll non-stop. Pitted on lap 5. Just tyres and I come out same distance behind. I had 5.5laps remaining. Amazing.
So, I put the finger trigger to the console and left that Slophy for dead.

Conserving put me too far behind the top 7, but I was gaining time in the last lap. Finished with 0.7laps of fuel.
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It's generally the Trophys that no stop. Evo isn't as good on fuel. I've been using NSX (was in one of your races) and that's quite good on fuel

You were in that red NSX driving behind me for a while? I thought i tried the undercut, but you were faster!!! Great racing btw!
 
Went full throttle, in the F-Type, for the race. Started in 8/14. This time, 6laps of fuel. Still managed to have 5.2laps at start of lap 3(shifting at the first red, it has 7 gears, but was only getting up to 6th).

Was fighting an Evo and 458. I jumped the Evo and slotted behind the 458(which pitted one lap later).
It was struggling to stay ahead. Lots of bumping between us three, but we weren't getting out of hand.
The 458 was holding its line, I was trying all my tricks and the Evo was looking for an opportunity. Good scrap.

458 5th, Evo 7th.
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Serious BoP at this track. Because, if the Mustang had the economy of the F-Type, it'd be a killer. Also, if the F-Type had the Mustang's braking and corner stability, it'd be a beast.

Edit: I feel calm when racing now. Taking my time and focusing on the performance of the car. It's resulting in a nice string of clean races. Even when I get bumped, making sure I keep the car on the track.
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You were in that red NSX driving behind me for a while? I thought i tried the undercut, but you were faster!!! Great racing btw!
Yeah I was, after the race had settled down I couldn't really get close enough for a move so just tried to make sure I had some sort of consistency cos I knew the car was good on fuel.
 
Yeah I was, after the race had settled down I couldn't really get close enough for a move so just tried to make sure I had some sort of consistency cos I knew the car was good on fuel.

Cool! It worked because you finished in front of me! :cheers:

I gotta drive more. I drove more then 15.000 km's with the GT-R, so it's so hard to adjust to the new tyre model and be consistent again. I have to think instead of auto-pilot. Consistency is the key! Maybe i'll see u around again!
 
Cool! It worked because you finished in front of me! :cheers:

I gotta drive more. I drove more then 15.000 km's with the GT-R, so it's so hard to adjust to the new tyre model and be consistent again. I have to think instead of auto-pilot. Consistency is the key! Maybe i'll see u around again!
The more laps you do the more comfortable you should get
Yeah mate, I'm sure I will see you around :cheers:

Is there any alternative to Megane for fuel saving and go entire race with 1 fuel tank?
Potentially the Honda but it's not as good in the corners and the pace drop due to tyre wear is quite high for it to be actually worth it (though I haven't tried it so maybe in the actual thing it could work)

Yeah I was, after the race had settled down I couldn't really get close enough for a move so just tried to make sure I had some sort of consistency cos I knew the car was good on fuel.
This was my first sector from that race
 
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Is there any alternative to Megane for fuel saving and go entire race with 1 fuel tank?
I posted about the F-Type. I'm thinking it may be based on track position. I had a fuel start of 10.7laps one race. 6laps in another. Still, it's got excellent fuel economy and good tyre life to go the distance.
 
The more laps you do the more comfortable you should get
Yeah mate, I'm sure I will see you around :cheers:


Potentially the Honda but it's not as good in the corners and the pace drop due to tyre wear is quite high for it to be actually worth it (though I haven't tried it so maybe in the actual thing it could work)


This was my first sector from that race


Look at that beautiful GT-R in front of you! :p
 
I've been having a fun time this week at Interlagos that is my strongest track. I was driving the Mustang and netted two wins so far and SR topping at 99 after a slump for a week that had me down to the 40's. It's been fun and clean racing.
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The mad scientist strikes again! I can't wait to read the race report :bowdown:.

Hehe. The only reason I bought a PS4 is to play GTS. The only reason I bought GTS was because they included Mount Panorama :crazy:. Yeh, weird, but then the only reason I bought the PS2 was to play the anniversary edition of Space Invaders :p. GT3/4 was merely a bonus :dopey:.

I'll be increasing my Bathurst count by a lot next week, it already is my most driven circuit with 310 races completed. Only 10 wins, practice doesn't make perfect, plus I'm too busy having fun.

Winning won't be the goal next week for sure. I'm planning to drive every GR.3 car at least twice and note down start, finish, door number, total time, gap behind #1, my time, best lap, DR/SR gain/loss, clean*, how dirty it was. That's a minimum of 64 races, perhaps more with disconnects or other things going wrong. 32+ hours over 7 days. No problem.

Atm I'm still doing clean streaks on Interlagos. DR has been going up a bit today, 21.5k atm. Matchmaking is rather dynamic.

I had some time this morning and did 4 races between 9 and 10 am.
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Matchmaking is definitely starved for entries in the morning despite the summer holiday, it can't even make a full room from A to D at SR.S

The 4th race broke my clean streak with this

Never trust a ghost! Somehow I hit the ghost while he's sideways overlapped with my car. Actually it looks like we stick together for a moment as I drag him along a tiny bit. A bug that has been there since release....

Matchmaking tonight has a lot more to work with and I even had some full B/S rooms during prime time!! Currently it's back to flip flopping between A+/S to B/S and B/S to D/S rooms. A+/S to B/S up next again. It's cleaner again later at night, was a destruction derby until about 10pm.
 
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Well I hope the "destruction derby" racers have other plans for today and I get some decent races later because I am
still fuming internally over the SR loss from Thursday/Friday.

What tipped the scales yesterday though was my second or last race C (can't remember which one it was).

Qualified well down the grid but managed to survive the first corner carnage and get myself up to 4th place and then I see
a GT-R going sideways so I swerve to the grass but car still whacks me so I get off track penalty, 10 seconds for causing
a collision and last place for my troubles.

Oh and to add insult to injury said player finished 2nd in the race despite being dropped to the back while recovering
which tells me I have a lot to practice if I am ever going to recover such a loss during a race.

However even though my brain is still fuming over the incident and telling me I should stop this online racing I am no
quitter and I will make back what DR/SR I've lost, somehow I will find a way to get my results back.
 
Just encountered a guy in Weekly C who was SR A+ and DR A, but was dirty the entire race and racked up +12 seconds of penalties by the end of the race.

Willing to bet it was most likely a bought account or something.
 
Is there any alternative to Megane for fuel saving and go entire race with 1 fuel tank?

NSX is the only real alternative, although you might need to get used to shifting gears a tad early (haven't tried a race with the NSX so I can't say if it can last the distance going without saving).
 
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