"Daily" Race Discussion [Archive]

[NevilleNobody]

Man there's a pace difference between a BS room and a BA room. In BS I was being pasted, likely 13th to 15th out of 15, I managed to get my SR down to an A and suddenly i'm in P7, racing for podiums in Race B.

Speaking of race B, man through the esses, the downhill section, i am losing a SOLID half a second. I just CANNOT get the car to turn left and right so quickly and if i slow it down so the car reacts i get hounded. Nightmare.

 

[sundaydriving]

The corner after the chicane is an absolute nightmare for me though. I brake at the 50m mark (or is it 50y mark I dont know) but the fact it turns left I've run out of road a few times and found myself spinning. I'm yet to race but can only imagine the carnage at that corner. I feel like once you've got that and the long downhill turns out the way, the rest is plain sailing? Those long downhill corners seem to be all about throttle control, dont think I used the brake except to line myself up for the last one/.

If you mean the curved left I dont use the marker boards there. I use the shape of the track. So just before the track turns left, I turn a little, straighten up and start braking to square it off I guess. I don't think you want to run out too wide there so aim to finish hard braking somewhere around the middle of the track then lift off a little, turn in and accel up the hill. This also gives you some headroom should you occasionally stuff it up.

When you get around to racing it I think you'll find that the chicane of death is the most popular place for carnage closely followed by everywhere else

 

[NevilleNobody]

If you mean the curved left I dont use the marker boards there

I don't think you want to run out too wide

You sorta do though. IMHO the absolute fastest way is to stay way wide as you get a MUCh better exit you the long hill. Stay in tight ona safer line and the car squirms on the way out as you have too much steering going on. problem is, get even a smidge too high and wide and you're in the wall, it's an absolute bugger of a corner.

 

[Groundfish]

Anyone have a sub 2:40 time uploaded to on race B? I gotta find out where I’m losing all this time, I’m still 2 second outside the top 100 after 2 days of grinding. I’ll never compete in the A/A+ rooms being over 2:40. What’s the going race pace in those rooms?

I dunno. Luckily I am not A yet. I do think for myself I am gonna start racing now at Bs. Put a 140.9 in. I’m not gonna do anymore qualifying. It’s been my experience on that track racepace is a fair bit slower due to margin of error.
I just switched from time trial to qualifying and had a string of low mid 41 maybe 10-12 laps when I got the 140 I quit. I’m not gonna grind anymore. At some point you have to race. Last night in time trial I had the same but a string of mid high 140 with a 139 optimal. Really, each section of turns has an absolute tone of time in it.
The way I see it, if I stay on qualifying mode for an hour and set a unicorn for me time and don’t have the racepace there, I will get overtaken anyways.
If you are setting consistent low times just race man. You will know what’s up after going ‘in country’ the first time.
I’d bet you will be surprised. Good luck.

 

[NevilleNobody]

Stunned you take that long to race, i turn 5 laps and jump in. usually time for a lap or two before each race too.

 

[HERE4BEER3]

Anyone have a sub 2:40 time uploaded to on race B? I gotta find out where I’m losing all this time, I’m still 2 second outside the top 100 after 2 days of grinding. I’ll never compete in the A/A+ rooms being over 2:40. What’s the going race pace in those rooms?

I will share my strategy with you my friend.

Put as many Qualifying laps in until you think you've hit your peak, basically you want your best lap to be within a 10th of your optimal, that'll be as good as you get without making major adjustments. Then write down all your best section times once you exit and go to the session results page, so basically take note of what your optimal time was section by section. Chances are your optimal is still a second or two or more slower than anyone in the top 10.

You can watch replays of the top 10 leaders right in the game, pick one. I like to change the view to bumper which I use to race anyway, also switch the setting so it "Displays all race info".

Make note of what gear they are going through turns in, where the starts braking/accelrating, watch their brake and acceleration pressure etc, this is how I learnt trail braking. When they cross the line pause it and switch to the lap breakdown or lap chart or whatever they call it, then you can see their section times. Compare each section with your own. Some you might be faster than them, some might be pretty close to the same which is nice for your confidence, sometimes you'll be just a few 10ths slower in every section, sometimes you will just have one really bad section. Either way you get a really good idea of exactly where your slow.

Then just keep watching the replay over and over until you can identify your issue. It doesn't help to just watch the section you're slow in because usually they carry speed from one section into the next. I think the most important turns are those just before and just after a straight. I find my best improvents come when I take the final turn before a straight as perfectly as I can which will allow you to go as fast as possible through the straight(as long as it's a shorter straight and not a top speed straight) then take that speed through T1 and set the pace for the rest of the lap.

I'm probably no faster than you, I got 1:40.03x on race b this week, so this strategy won't get you into the top 10 but it should help you get over the hump and probably shave at least a few 10ths.

Sorry if TLDR

 

[Loverson]

Wow i can barely reach between 2.59\3.00 if i try "decently" enough but 2.52 in Daily C? Geez.
Not gonna bother racing but kind like this is based on the FIA Nations (i don't like racing in this track due to how awful the rolling start is, i find it unfair)

 

[Lost Sheltie]

2.52 is a ridiculous time, but that is really the peak. If you can get under 2:57 you will be in the top 100 in Europe. I am in the high 2:58's and started top 10 in the one race I did last night. Admittedly I got punted at one of the chicanes and lost about 15 secs, but that is racing with these cars - miss your braking point by 10 metres and you will punt someone.

 

[Saur]

Oh, wow. The Supra is definitely faster than the Porsche, much better speed on the straights. Improved to a 38.1, three and a half tenths up on my Porsche time. And I knocked the last Porsche out of the Americas top 10.

 

[Pelikan]

I was able to crack a 1:39.5 in the Renault RS01 for Race B. Switched to the Supra for some hot laps and with short shifting I was able to get a 1:38.9 in just two laps of practice. There’s another half second to squeeze out for me at least. This car hauls on the straights with a good corner exit. It’s wild how much faster it is than the Renault in the straights.

 

[HERE4BEER3]

The corner after the chicane is an absolute nightmare for me though. I brake at the 50m mark (or is it 50y mark I dont know) but the fact it turns left I've run out of road a few times and found myself spinning. I'm yet to race but can only imagine the carnage at that corner.

I seem to always race now with my brake balance at 3 to the rear tires. I'm not sure my exact braking point on this turn but I think it's just before the road curves I put half pressure on the brakes and hold it through the turn, and slowly let off the brake and add throttle as I'm coming out.

I feel like once you've got that and the long downhill turns out the way, the rest is plain sailing? Those long downhill corners seem to be all about throttle control, dont think I used the brake except to line myself up for the last one/.

Yea, you should be able to get through the downhill esses without touching the brake. Start wide as possible, off the throttle as you turn into the first corner, then full on the throttle and slowly let off until you get the apex of the second, downshift and off the throttle before turning into the third corner and full throttle through that one.

 

[Groundfish]

I know for me, I do a lot of time trial in arcade with bop on rh.
This is my first video game system and GT game in fifteen or 18 years.
I am learning the tracks.
I basically do lobby for fun with friends, time trial mode and sport mode.
I have found the depth of this game on wheel surprising. I’ve even learned by going into camera walk mode and walked track sections in a couple spots where I was struggling.
Just hopping in a car for a couple laps and getting understeer because you are on a decent geometric line is not looking deeply enough.
It’s not the cars 95 percent of the time for me it’s driving technique.
I’ve been successful thus far because of applying knowledge gained from reading one very good book by a very successful real life race instructor.
That’s absolutely been the most valuable thing I have done.
Sorry long post, but that’s why I can’t just hop online in sport mode and race, before doing sport mode I need to ensure I am not a hazard.

 

[TetsuKobura]

2.52 is a ridiculous time, but that is really the peak. If you can get under 2:57 you will be in the top 100 in Europe. I am in the high 2:58's and started top 10 in the one race I did last night. Admittedly I got punted at one of the chicanes and lost about 15 secs, but that is racing with these cars - miss your braking point by 10 metres and you will punt someone.

And under 2:57 is like top 30 Americas right now.

 

[sundaydriving]

You sorta do though. IMHO the absolute fastest way is to stay way wide as you get a MUCh better exit you the long hill. Stay in tight ona safer line and the car squirms on the way out as you have too much steering going on. problem is, get even a smidge too high and wide and you're in the wall, it's an absolute bugger of a corner.

Whatever works for you. I'm just not that keen on going too wide there.

I'm not suggesting the tighter line either but in a race the tighter line is an easy way to overtake anyone staying wide there.

 

[Pigems]

I will share my strategy with you my friend.

Put as many Qualifying laps in until you think you've hit your peak, basically you want your best lap to be within a 10th of your optimal, that'll be as good as you get without making major adjustments. Then write down all your best section times once you exit and go to the session results page, so basically take note of what your optimal time was section by section. Chances are your optimal is still a second or two or more slower than anyone in the top 10.

You can watch replays of the top 10 leaders right in the game, pick one. I like to change the view to bumper which I use to race anyway, also switch the setting so it "Displays all race info".

Make note of what gear they are going through turns in, where the starts braking/accelrating, watch their brake and acceleration pressure etc, this is how I learnt trail braking. When they cross the line pause it and switch to the lap breakdown or lap chart or whatever they call it, then you can see their section times. Compare each section with your own. Some you might be faster than them, some might be pretty close to the same which is nice for your confidence, sometimes you'll be just a few 10ths slower in every section, sometimes you will just have one really bad section. Either way you get a really good idea of exactly where your slow.

Then just keep watching the replay over and over until you can identify your issue. It doesn't help to just watch the section you're slow in because usually they carry speed from one section into the next. I think the most important turns are those just before and just after a straight. I find my best improvents come when I take the final turn before a straight as perfectly as I can which will allow you to go as fast as possible through the straight(as long as it's a shorter straight and not a top speed straight) then take that speed through T1 and set the pace for the rest of the lap.

I'm probably no faster than you, I got 1:40.03x on race b this week, so this strategy won't get you into the top 10 but it should help you get over the hump and probably shave at least a few 10ths.

Sorry if TLDR

Thank you very much for the info!! I did watch some times last night. But I hadn’t thought about writing down my times in each sector to compare, great idea!! I know what I’m doing tonight now. Thanks again!!

Well, if I can sit long enough anyways, I got rear ended IRL today ffs. I better not be too stiff to race tonight lol.

Stunned you take that long to race, i turn 5 laps and jump in. usually time for a lap or two before each race too.

I didn’t before, I’d do a few laps and jump in. Now that I’ve got over 40k DR points, just jumping in won’t work so well. The rooms I get put in would destroy me right now, I’d just be donating free points to everyone else in the room lol.

I don’t tolerate losing well haha, I’m not going in until I’m fully ready to be competitive.

 

[Qyn]

I got rear ended IRL today ffs.

Hope everyone is okay after the accident IRL Player! Make sure you stretch properly before hitting the track tonight.

 

[Pigems]

Hope everyone is okay after the accident IRL Player! Make sure you stretch properly before hitting the track tonight.

TY sir, everyone seems to be ok. Oh yes, definitely doing some stretching, it wasn’t a bad one, just a bump, but small bumps can still do big damage. I should have had my bumper sticker on my real car instead of my GT one! Lol

 

[Veinz]

Wow i can barely reach between 2.59\3.00 if i try "decently" enough but 2.52 in Daily C? Geez.
Not gonna bother racing but kind like this is based on the FIA Nations (i don't like racing in this track due to how awful the rolling start is, i find it unfair)

Really want to see a replay of that 2:52 lap.

 

[beegentoo]

(This is my first post here. Reading along for a few months now since it was quite interesting but never registered. If there's some "Introduce yourself" corner somewhere just let me know).

I decided not to take part in any race this week. I tried on monday but called it a day barely before falling down to DR-D. I do hovever to qualification Laps everyday. Just managed to get a 1:41:something with the M6 all other cars (and I tried many of them) just didn't do well. Especially the Italia, Huracan and the R8 are shaking there butts like a samba-champion. For Race A: I'll never be a friend of sliding and handbrake acrobatics (though I was great in it... back in the 90s...) and for Race C: It's just too damn quick for me.

For myself I came to a few conclusions after my attempts on monday:
- We need penalty-zones ASAP
- the laughable 2s time-penalty for pushing another driver forcibly off the track should be replaced with a DQ and loss of DR
- Probably: Force driving aids off (except TC) - It's kinda ridiculous if there are people enjoying the simulation and people playing the game race against each other
- Probably: Introduce some light tire degradation (should lead to smoother driving in general and prevent some of the bumper-car-fetishists from having their fun).

Just my little rant, but I was really angry on monday.

 

[banckzy]

Wtf I’ve just started my race B for the first time this week and I’m auto driving all the way round? Lol seems like everybody in the race is...

Sucks cause I’ve been put in an elite lobby and I’m down in 12th....

Edit: look at that lap time LOL also gained a few places from a few guys stuck on the grid

Further Edit: ok so the race has finished and I’m stuck on this race result screen (see picture).... I guess closing the application will give me minus DR?

 

[Winnie847]

That moment when you put up a 2:56.5 in race C qualy right as you lose your internet connection, so it doesn’t count.

 

[HERE4BEER3]

Urg, just did a quick race B during my lunchhour today. Got punted at the sweeping left hander after the chicanes and it put me into last! So frustrating! How does this stuff still happen with S SR lobbies. I understand the light bumps from behind but this was a full on divebomb, guy probably didn't even touch the brake.

I'm really trying to get my DR up before next FIA Season and when this crap keeps happening in dailys it makes it difficult to really gain any ground.

 

[stpatty]

My qualifying is currently a 3:03.2 in Race C. If I was really brave I could get under 3:00, but it's pointless because you're virtually guaranteed to not be able to run six clean laps in a race.

 

[O604]

Been bumped off 6 out of 7 tries at race A so far this week.

SR S rooms have been dirtier this week. Usually saw 1 or 2 "I don't give a crap" drivers a day. Now see 2 or 3 drivers per race.

 

[Loverson]

My qualifying is currently a 3:03.2 in Race C. If I was really brave I could get under 3:00, but it's pointless because you're virtually guaranteed to not be able to run six clean laps in a race.

Yeah, if Gr.1 was a mess imagine x2014. It is a fun car to use honestly but expect punts and sideswipes at high speed.

 

[GTP_TO Blue]

Urg, just did a quick race B during my lunchhour today. Got punted at the sweeping left hander after the chicanes and it put me into last! So frustrating! How does this stuff still happen with S SR lobbies. I understand the light bumps from behind but this was a full on divebomb, guy probably didn't even touch the brake.

I'm really trying to get my DR up before next FIA Season and when this crap keeps happening in dailys it makes it difficult to really gain any ground.

2 races I did at 12.10pm and 12.30pm Mountain Time, were horrendous.

One driver in the first race I did was in a WRX, and was just out for hitting anyone, anywhere and anyhow. It was just demolition derby. Was ready to call them out in the chat screen but they quit on lap 5. They had no DR and an E safety rating. I just don't get that mentality, thankfully!

Race 2 wasn't as bad, but fellow racers wanting to overtake on every corner, or forcing into any little inside or outside gap. The car behind me was constantly 0.5+ seconds behind but felt obliged to try and overtake at every opportunity, even into the bus stop chicane. They finally took themselves out and dropped back 5 seconds.

All of this in a B/S group, with a smattering of C/S in there, too.

 

[NevilleNobody]

A track with ZERO passing zones doesn't help. yes you can try into T1 but that awkward jink right makes it very tricky. Otherwise all you can do is wait for an error, it usually comes mind.

 

[8l23ub]

Still getting to grips with GTS after two weeks, had another go at Race A, did some qualy and improved to a 1:04.6, good enough for second on the grid, the guy on pole was a UK top 10 guy, hoped he could get the field strung out which seem to be the best conditions for a clean race, he didn't get of the line too well though, I had a good race up to lap six where he was all over me and my 🤬 caved in.

U think his whole approach to exiting the final corner was smart/interesting 💡



Boosted my DR to just under 9000 and maxed out my SR though so a good race for me

 

[Pigems]

Screw it, I’m goin in!

 

[manion]

Just noticed I made it to 1000 races according to Kudos. Im having fun with the red bull in race c this week although I can see why some dont like it.