"Daily" Race Discussion [Archive]

[Pigems]

It sure would simplify things if PD used the very simple rule of no more than 2 tires outside of white line for track limits on every track with white lines. I think PD could even leave it up to common sense as to what should be legal and what is not legal and most would figure it out very quick but with seemingly different track limits on every track/race combo it is virtually impossible to understand how their logic works.

They probably don’t do it for the same reason we don’t have performance parts any more, too difficult for millennials to understand lol.

 

[TimBoss351]

I’m getting kicked out today. Connection is fine. Sign up, qualify laps, get slotted, gives me a place, then...suddenly I’m sitting at the choice page between the Vette race, the group 3 and group 1 race. Has happened three times in a row. I’m a D level (only started racing online three days ago) but an S on the SR ranking.

What gives? Always check connection before as I’m waiting and it shows I’m good, and after I’m sent to the sign up page again. I’m usually around 8-10 on my ranking.

I’m new so don’t know if I’m doing something wrong. But last two times I’ve been looking at the start list ranking page and instead of warm up lap it kicks me out.

 

[vvise]

I went back and checked out the video. You are absolutely right. I got into the back of you twice. I promise I was not trying to punt you.
The first one, I guess I just got caught napping in the brake zone. No excuse.

The second one, I'm not sure. Makes no sense to rear-end someone in an acceleration zone. My best guess is that since the Mazda gets through that chicane so much better than the Nissan, there was just a big difference in corner exit speed. Sorry. I wasn't as careful as I should have been.

No worries, for the first one I wasn't too mad. I misjudged the braking zone 10 seconds before that when i pass you and fly wide. I usually won't get angry over a single mistake, it happens. The second tap I was shocked you had caught up, I figured i was a full second ahead when i rejoined the track since i cut the whole corner. I think im just as at fault in that case as you are because of my bad rejoin. You probably didn't have much time to avoid. That's what i meant with my first post when i was talking about the difference in our cars in sector 1. No hard feelings at all.

Really interesting to watch this,im new to the online races so still trying to understand penaltys and track limits.Please dont take any offence at all but regarding the track limits,why do you not get a penalty with all 4 wheels over the white line when you come on to the main straight after Tertre Rouge?
Also when you go wide over the rumble strips on the lefthander at Corvette Curves you seem to get a penalty one time but not another?Like i said,not intending to be offensive just trying to learn a little.
In the previous races with the Toyota 86 at La sarthe last week i was getting penaltys when i didnt expect them and vice versa.For example i nudged a guy over the lines at Tertre Rouge and picked up 5 secs.Fair enough but in a another race i got nudged over the lines in the same place and still picked up 5secs,guy who hit got nothing!
cheers

Someone posted some screenshots earlier in this thread. The track limits for this particular race aren't the white line, it's the rumble strips. As long as at least 1 tire is making contact with the kerbs you're still considered in bounds.

Tetre rouge has a very loose limit for going wide, as long as you enter wide and clip the apex you are almost guaranteed to not get a penalty (the penalty for cutting that corner however is quite strict).

The corvette curves i have not figured out yet. As far as I can tell I think im getting a penalty for a wide entry on the first gentle right. There's green paint, you can get 2 wheels on it... sometimes? not sure about that one.

Porsche curves have the same green paint for the first right hand entry as well and I never seem to get a penalty there.

 

[Sven Jurgens]

Really interesting to watch this,im new to the online races so still trying to understand penaltys and track limits.Please dont take any offence at all but regarding the track limits,why do you not get a penalty with all 4 wheels over the white line when you come on to the main straight after Tertre Rouge?
Also when you go wide over the rumble strips on the lefthander at Corvette Curves you seem to get a penalty one time but not another?Like i said,not intending to be offensive just trying to learn a little.
In the previous races with the Toyota 86 at La sarthe last week i was getting penaltys when i didnt expect them and vice versa.For example i nudged a guy over the lines at Tertre Rouge and picked up 5 secs.Fair enough but in a another race i got nudged over the lines in the same place and still picked up 5secs,guy who hit got nothing!
cheers

Track limits and penalties are trial and error to find out with PD. They are very inconsistent. The penalty at Corvette curves where the rumble strips are, is for cutting the inside by an inch, which yields an instant 2.1 sec penalty. However in Tetre Rouge you can cut the inside and only get 0.5 sec, while going wide there is 'free' as long as you touch some blue.

However for contact penalties the game uses different track limits. If you get hit in the wide part of Tetre rouge it's a gamble who the game sees as going off road after contact. If it deems you to already be back on the road, then you get a penalty, while the guy that hit you gets nothing.

And they are different again for the clean race bonus as I have gotten the bonus with a minor short cut or wide penalty, while not gotten the bonus when penalty free (and zero contact).

Short cut penalties are also based on whether you gain time. If you cut the track slowly you won't get a penalty. Yet if you end up in the sand you do get one lol. It's probably the entry speed that counts when you miss your turn in. However that makes it even more difficult to find the actual track limits. Plus it makes little sense to only get 0.5 sec for the longest straight where braking the draft and gaining almost a second is huge by cutting Tetre Rouge, while you get 2.1 sec at the Corvette curves where you practically gain nothing compared to a car that goes wide.

Sarthe at the top is not really about who can drive the smoothest, more about who can drive as close to the invisible track limits as posseible. It starts with the Dunlop chicane where I see plenty people ignore the second part to get a quick advantage since the tiny penalty is easily scrubbed later. You can take on the inside of the curb anyway without a penalty yet some just go almost straight....

 

[GT5Power]

I’m getting kicked out today. Connection is fine. Sign up, qualify laps, get slotted, gives me a place, then...suddenly I’m sitting at the choice page between the Vette race, the group 3 and group 1 race. Has happened three times in a row. I’m a D level (only started racing online three days ago) but an S on the SR ranking.

What gives? Always check connection before as I’m waiting and it shows I’m good, and after I’m sent to the sign up page again. I’m usually around 8-10 on my ranking.

I’m new so don’t know if I’m doing something wrong. But last two times I’ve been looking at the start list ranking page and instead of warm up lap it kicks me out.

Sounds familiar. Restart the game and it should be fixed.

 

[TimBoss351]

Sounds familiar. Restart the game and it should be fixed.

Thanks. Didn’t know if I had been reported or something and not allowed to race. Good to know.

 

[Invisigoth]

Sounds familiar. Restart the game and it should be fixed.

For a bit . Some people restart the game after every race. I restart it after a few. This has been a problem now for months but PD has done nothing about it. Th e number of races you get before it starts dumping you to the Sport Mode page seems to be random.

 

[Daveh4]

This penalty system is so frustrating.. Im driving the perfect line being way faster then the driver in front of me, yet when i touch him just a little bit from behind i get the 5 seconds penalty. Meanwhile i lose speed by touching him while he gets a little push from behind.

I know its racing but some guys just wont let you pass them even when your so much faster.
The funniest things is when i do hit a wall and lose a lot of speed, you get a big penalty to. There is no advantage at hitting a wall and decreasing your speed bij 100 km/h..

Great game though!

 

[Pigems]

This penalty system is so frustrating.. Im driving the perfect line being way faster then the driver in front of me, yet when i touch him just a little bit from behind i get the 5 seconds penalty. Meanwhile i lose speed by touching him while he gets a little push from behind.

I know its racing but some guys just wont let you pass them even when your so much faster.
The funniest things is when i do hit a wall and lose a lot of speed, you get a big penalty to. There is no advantage at hitting a wall and decreasing your speed bij 100 km/h..

Great game though!

The game expects Zero contact between cars for the most part, racing is after all a Non Contact sport. It must have quite a bit more than a draft bump if you got a penalty for it, you can get away with those, you must have hit him fairly hard to give him a “push” from behind.

 

[Daveh4]

I know its a non contact sport but some of these guys are significant slower but they keep defending their position. I aint saying they’re not allowed to defend but when i exit a corner with more speed its hard to brake without losing control of the car or avoid the car in front of me. So Yeah sometimes it happens they get a little bump from behind because i got no other chance. I dont want to ruin anyones race and obviously i dont want to ruin mine. Beside of that its actually the car in front who had advantage of that small push.

Maybe i can capture these moments and show you here!

 

[si_berian_tiger]

I'm finding that I receive a penalty when another car has hit me. It doesn't matter if its from the side or behind either. I can get the lightest tap from another car and it's a 5s penalty to me!

 

[Pigems]

I know its a non contact sport but some of these guys are significant slower but they keep defending their position. I aint saying they’re not allowed to defend but when i exit a corner with more speed its hard to brake without losing control of the car or avoid the car in front of me. So Yeah sometimes it happens they get a little bump from behind because i got no other chance. I dont want to ruin anyones race and obviously i dont want to ruin mine. Beside of that its actually the car in front who had advantage of that small push.

Maybe i can capture these moments and show you here!

Unfortunately the game expects you to put your own car the off track/into a wall before hitting another car, maybe in instances like the one you mention try not come out of the corner so fast if you know the guy ahead is slower and there is no where else to go, you’ll get your chance to pass him if he truly is slower. I struggle with this myself, I don’t have enough patience at times, it’s a process.

 

[fastone371]

I know its a non contact sport but some of these guys are significant slower but they keep defending their position. I aint saying they’re not allowed to defend but when i exit a corner with more speed its hard to brake without losing control of the car or avoid the car in front of me. So Yeah sometimes it happens they get a little bump from behind because i got no other chance. I dont want to ruin anyones race and obviously i dont want to ruin mine. Beside of that its actually the car in front who had advantage of that small push.

Maybe i can capture these moments and show you here!

The biggest problem is the way they defend. When a racer defends he does not cut the driver off who has a run on him, a car that is gaining very slowly may have the driver in front take his line away but not if there is a large speed differential. Jerk-offs who just cant stand someone passing them either need to get faster or quit playing racing games.

 

[Daveh4]

Well this is probably my biggest issue. Some guys just doesnt want you to pass them. Even when its so clear that im the faster one. So they defend every line there is and i have the choice to make: Simply brake and lose seconds or keep full throttle and hope they make a mistake or slighty touch them.

Honestly I love hard races, fighting for every meter and not giving presents at all. But when someone is significant faster than me, I give them that Tiny space to pass me so they can race their race and I can do my thing. Like i said before there’s no need to ruin his or my race.

 

[ScottPuss20]

Race C with the Sauber was an eventful one, and not exactly in a good way . I did some qualifying laps and managed to shave some more time off my pre-qualifying time. The grid line up came as a bit of a shock. P4/13 . It was a mix of SR from S to B, but mostly DR/D and C with a couple of As and a B. Was a bit surprised to be starting ahead of 7 R92CPs.

The race starts and the first 3 cars have a bit advantage starting after the chicane. I knew there was going to be troubple with a string of METAs behind me. Sure enough I was passed on Mulsanne and dropped to P5. At Virage de Mulsanne I used the same braking point I had been using for qualifying.. and ended up in the sand. That didn't help with the handling later, but somehow still managed to hang on to P5 . At the Fixed Or Repaired Daily chicane I royally screwed up and got re-spawned in P9 with me shouting at the car "For 🤬 sake 🤬 move!!!". That didn't seem to have much effect as I slowly trundled off.

The handling was less than spectacular yet I still managed to find my way up to P6. I wasn't expecting anyone to pit, so when I came caneing round Dunlop I slammed into a red Mazda LM55. If burnell1981 is reading this, I'm *really* sorry . That messed me up for the chicane and I dropped back to P9 with yet another re-spawn . After that I was all over the place, but I seemed to get back some control on the final lap. Moved up to P7 in the process. I finished P7. The guy I hit finished where he started.. P3. I still had a laps worth of fuel in the tank at the end of the race and I wasn't realy short shifting.

SR still 99 and DR went up about 150. I knew I could drive better and it was really tempting to go again, but I hadn't lost any SR and my DR went up.. best to quit while I was ahead . Tomorrow I'll drive the META (the last of the Group C cars to drive this week). Another day above DR 1 .

The C9 gives the R92CP a good run for it's money. I got very close to winning in it, as it seems to handle a bit better. Then again I chose the medium compound tyre for the races I did, as they don't drop off as fast as the soft tyre. But if you don't have a slipstream on the Mulsanne Straight, it's pretty much impossible to keep up. Then again you can gain a lot of time in the braking zones and the corners. The car is particularly quick in the first and last sectors.

 

[Sven Jurgens]

Well this is probably my biggest issue. Some guys just doesnt want you to pass them. Even when its so clear that im the faster one. So they defend every line there is and i have the choice to make: Simply brake and lose seconds or keep full throttle and hope they make a mistake or slighty touch them.

Honestly I love hard races, fighting for every meter and not giving presents at all. But when someone is significant faster than me, I give them that Tiny space to pass me so they can race their race and I can do my thing. Like i said before there’s no need to ruin his or my race.

When I'm behind a slower driver I always aim for a slow in, accelerate through approach while aiming for a corner exit to their inside. There is nothing they can do about that as they are on their limit holding on to the corner. Don't follow, take a line that puts you next to them at corner exit. It's not easy, and some will try to defend the inside so be prepared to switch to an outside line at any moment. Also leave more than a car width in case they lose control.

Leave yourself options, you don't need to drive at your limit when behind a slower driver. Brake early and you have all the wiggle room you need to choose which line to use to accelerate past them out of the corner. 0.5 second behind is usually more than close enough to pass at corner exit, the closer you follow, the less options you leave yourself to adjust your line. Plus if you keep a bit of distance, you can still evade at corner exit when you come out a lot faster. They can't react to a quick adjustment when you have significant speed advantage, yet you need a little gap to make the pass contact free. It takes practice and patience to time it right.

 

[Trone_Colby]

Ugly night for me in race B. I got SR drops like hell. Went from S to B in just 3 races! One guy on my inside as I was ahead turning that hairpin hits me and I get a SR/5 secs. The race after that, two racers in front of me were aggressive right before the 100 mark before the chicane. I sense an accident coming so I let off and avoided th collision. I didn’t touch them and bam, SR/ 1 second.

Sigh. I usually have thick skin with the penalties but tonight I lost it.

 

[TTM]

Twenty wins in total so far in daily c.
DR is up by 5,000.

 

[O604]

Had a few tries at Tokyo but every race gets worse. Some people really want 80 DR points no matter what. I guess I should stay away.

 

[Daveh4]

Thanks for the tips guys! Very helpful .

 

[Normalaatsra]

I am really enjoying the Tokyo South race. I've always been quite the natural on Tokyo on a majority of tracks, and even though my Gr.3 qualifying laps are out of practice, racing there was exhilarating. I'm banking good grid positions and even won one race.

 

[Steer]

This week I am racing at Tokyo. SR ranking is going through the floor. I am trying to race clean, but it's so difficult to avoid the idiots who do not even try to pass cleanly. It's a tricky track to master on your own, but surrounded by racers who seemingly dont care about their DR, it almost impossible to stay clean.

The only races when I have gained DR, is where I have been punted off on the first lap, and then I have a lonely race at the back, only occasionally passing people who have crashed or who serve their time penalty.

To avoid DR falling to zero, I might have to go and learn Le Mans, although I know that I will be about 15 seconds off the pace!

 

[mynameis66]

vvise and Sven Jurgens.Thanks for your replies,makes interesting reading about the track limits and penaltys.I will continue to practice and learn what i can,if i get slightly quicker drivers behind me i try not to defend my position too hard so let them pass but i find sometimes after doing this and i make a pass back on them i get a shunt sometimes!Live and learn i guess.

 

[Invisigoth]

Did some pre-qualifying with the META. I was expecting to thrash my Sauber qualifying time, instead I was struggling to match it. I did manage to beat it, but it was a by product of steps I took to make my tyres last. Since I race on hards, I qualify on hards so I don't get caught out during the race. I realise qualifying on softs is the sensible thing, but I'm clearly touched in the head . I put the TCS *up*. That gave me better push in the lower gears because I could hear the wheel spin shortly after changing gears, and I equate that with extra tyre wear that I do not need during the race. To save tyres you need to be smooth, subtle.... I am neither of these things . I was getting better lap times after bumping TCS up .

 

[GT5Power]

I stuck to my guns today. I'm not comfortable enough in the Huracan, so I stayed in the Ford GT. My 1:32.380 that I had set in the Huracan was enough for a 2nd place start in four consecutive races. I went on to finish second in all of them, with the same guy (who had a 1:31.3 or something) winning every time. One of the races was a great battle between us until I got a bad run out of the hairpin on lap 4 and he pulled away. The rest of them were pretty uneventful, but good fun regardless. Then an RC F came along and pushed me down into 3rd place on the grid, only to spin out and give me yet another 2nd place finish.

I got a bit tired of looking at a Huracan's behind for 35 minutes so I ran Race A once, it's actually enjoyable. Would have won if not for someone dive bombing me on lap 9 3rd place, still a very good result considering I started 6th.

After that I figured I'd try to improve my Tokyo Q time, which I eventually did; I clocked a 1:32.134 in the Ford GT I went into the race confident that I'd start at least 2nd, only to find myself 3rd behind two... drumroll Huracans

I was kinda slow through the first sector so I lost their slipstream on the long straight, but caught back up after the chicane and was barely in slipstream range for the straight on lap 2. For two laps all three of us stayed on each other's bumpers, with the gap from the leader to me rarely going above 1s. I thought to myself "damn, this is good". The two Huracans exchanged positions four times until lap 3. After the esses, the polesitter, who was leading at the time, disconnected (let's call it an engine failure ) and I was left to battle the other guy (A+/S) for the lead. I drafted him on the long straight and briefly passed him after the tunnel. He went defensive and took the inside line, passing me back, but I got the inside line and more momentum coming into the death chicane. He didn't back off, which resulted in him shoving me to the side and getting 4 seconds. I still had the tow on the S/F straight and suddenly got really excited at the prospect of winning Meanwhile, the S/S driver who was running behind me in an RC F had closed in. I pulled away from him again in the esses and the leader served his penalty after the hairpin on lap 4. That left me with a 2 second lead. The Huracan was faster, but it didn't really matter. I took it slow through the final sector of lap 5 and went on to capture the W by .9s and an unexpected clean race bonus

DR up from 35353 to 37650, SR stayed at 99 throughout the session

POV of the disconnection. Really startled me...

 

[WaikeCU]

It's weird how the SR experience differs between all the players. My last race I had 5 times contact (more like rubbing) with a car ahead and I saw each time an orange SR displayed. I didn't get any penalties. In the end my SR didn't go down a single point. It remained 99.

Since I've become an A/S (DR/SR) driver, I'm struggling with pace. It's like somehow all the drivers nowadays with an A/S rating are so much faster than me. Each time I join a Sport mode race now, I start at the back end of the grid, being more than a second slower than the polesitter. So it's really hard to improve my DR right now. I noticed whenever I get within the top 10, I improve my DR only by 500 points. That's only possible whenever I qualify right outside or within the top 10.

 

[NJT4567]

I thought I would give GTS a break over Xmas as it seems to be the only thing I have played for months, I went on to PC2 and was amazed at how slow and unresponsive it felt after GTS, after a period of time it did improve and I was able to dial into the game and see why people like it. I tried an online race but got kicked out before the race even started so definitely not as slick as GTS.

 

[Suntek]

I thought I would give GTS a break over Xmas as it seems to be the only thing I have played for months, I went on to PC2 and was amazed at how slow and unresponsive it felt after GTS, after a period of time it did improve and I was able to dial into the game and see why people like it. I tried an online race but got kicked out before the race even started so definitely not as slick as GTS.

It has it's positives, especially if you play with wheel, but online racing and graphic quality are just not a match.
With those 2 in line, it would be a tough competition.

 

[Invisigoth]

Baaaa ram ewe! Baaaa ram ewe! Yes, tonight I was a sheep and joined the R92 gravy train. I'd already run the other 3 Group Cs, it was just it's turn and tomorrow night I'll race something different . As mentioned, I improved my qualifying time from last night. Here is what that got me:

That changed to I think P13/19 because someone left because of all the R92s.

The race starts with me fighting the Found On Rubbish Dumps chicane, but I got good drive out onto the start/finish strait and almost got a pass..but I backed out to set my self up for the chicane. I got rammed and almost ended up in the sand, but just pulled up short and cut through the blue getting back on track without hitting any one . From there it was a war of attrition. I think some got caught out with the tyre wear. I didn't drive perfect, but I kept the car out of the sand, pointed forward and moving forward. I see what @Sven Jurgens means about the throttle back, but I only experienced that once at the first lap. After that I was never close enough to anyone on Mulsanne to draft up to 380 . Obviously other were because I could see the gap slowly start to close behind me, only to open up again once I got past the corner at the end of Mulsanne.

As the laps went on I slowly closed in on the carcases of la Sarthes victims writhing in their death throes. I kept my tyres out of the arias where the black and bright green pools leaking on to the track from the dead and the dying. The last 2 laps where where the carnage became most obvious. I guess I was the only one on hards and still had grip because I was getting through Porsche consistently faster lap 4 and 5. Fuel was not a problem.

I did see a few pit. I assume for tyres. They either pitted behind me, or so far ahead that they were back on the track before I was anywhere near them. Final lap the guy in front was really struggling with the final chicanes. There was a slim chance of a pass, but it would have been a dick move and probably with contact... I wasn't *that* desperate to gain one more position. And the finish:

SR 99 and I got a "Welcome to DR/C" bonus so I went from 3592 to 6015. Think that gives me enough to spend on the rest of the week loosing with non-Group C cars and still finish the week DR/C. Day 0 of my DR/C trip begins! My last trip lasted 2 days .

 

[Daveh4]

What are your strategies for race C? One stop or no stop, starting on softs or mediums? Do you guys change your set up or leave it on how it is?