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twitcher
Depends what SR you are at. If you’re B or lower, starting at the back might be a decent strategy, as you avoid the mess at the start, and if you’re pace is good you’ll catch up. If your SR is A or S though, I’ve been starting in the top 5 almost every race for the Nurb race, and not having any problems with dirty driving (so far). It’s actually been a pleasant suprised to find so many clean drivers in public races. Also, at SR A and S, people tend to be a lot faster (even if their DR is not the highest), so it can be a lot harder to catch up.

With the tires, brake early, that’s their main weakness (the car isn’t exactly slow either). For cornering, really focus on being precise and placing the car bang1on the racing line, in the dark rubber grooves that are down on the track. You get so much more extra grip on the racing line compared to being even 1/2 a car width off of it.
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I’m SR S and DR C. Had DR at B briefly but trying to race clean I keep getting cut off on corners. I guess I’m trying to race clean and DR will be what it is. Still below 100 races total for all online racing experience.

BallPtPenTheif
People get impatient at the Ring and will always stick their nose on the inside if you don't defensively take control of the apex. If someone is behind me and I swing wide of the apex, I just assume they're going to dive and I keep to the outside expecting them to swing wide of the exit. This usually gives them the pass but sometimes they'll over shoot and scrub their speed to stay on the track at which point you pass them to regain position. Typically though, if they're driving that aggressively they're bound to make a mistake so you just have to pressure them and wait for it.
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I am learning that I have just as much fun pressuring someone when we are fighting for 8th-9th as I do fighting for 1st-2nd. Maybe less stressful and more fun with battles further back in the pack. Interesting to see people’s skills wane as they divide focus between where they are going and where I am behind them.
 
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Well thats it for me at tbe ring. I just can't get around the track during a race between the extra weight and seemingly slippery er(?) tires and the people who can't wait to pass i had four very unpleasant tries at it this evening so i think thats it.
 
Danyutz
Finally!

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How did you do it? Were you able to try using 3rd for most corners?
 
What are people’s on bump drafting on the long straights in Race B? If it’s ok, how far from a braking zone should the last bump happen?


TimBoss351
I’m SR S and DR C. Had DR at B briefly but trying to race clean I keep getting cut off on corners. I guess I’m trying to race clean and DR will be what it is. Still below 100 races total for all online racing experience.
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If you’re SR-S, I’d say it’s worth it to qualify. Most people at SR-S are clean enough (mistakes still happen), and the higher you qualify the more chance you have of increasing your DR.
 
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What are people’s on bump drafting on the long straights in Race B? If it’s ok, how far from a braking zone should the last bump happen?




If you’re SR-S, I’d say it’s worth it to qualify. Most people at SR-S are clean enough (mistakes still happen), and the higher you qualify the more chance you have of increasing your DR.
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If you qual say at 4 of 16, and end up 8 of 16, does DR drop? Or stay same or go up as long as you’re still in the top half?

I haven’t figured out how it all works.
 
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Although I said I am not going to play, I could not resist!

Before race C, I went for qualification. 5 pivot 5 trying different things laps. By taking the reference, 3 laps more. At the second lap 02:04.478. At least it is now under 2:05 but it is not enough for good spot. One, race, start at 8th finish at 7th (actually it was 8th but at the last lap the guy spun-off, sorry for him). 5 laps soft - pit - 4 laps soft.
I am not accusing anyone, everyone tried to be respectful but a couple of things are not inevitable in there. A slight increase in DR and slight decrease in SR

Without trying to improve my qualification time, with 3-4 mins before the race, go to GreenHell. Rookie mistake! Started at 7th and finished 10th. Slight decrease in DR and SR. After it, I decided to go for 5 pivot/semi-trying qualification laps. I checked the mistakes but I got tired to try new laps. Went to race with 07:54.654 but mouch more awarness. Definitely I was lucky, I was not tried to push so hard neither on other ones nor on my car, I kept the 3rd place for beginning to the almost end. Brunnchen took 1st guy as victim and then Antoniusbrucke took the other guy. By simply keeping myself at the front, I won at Nordschleife. Feels a good accomplishment :)

P.S: Btw, I am putting my lap-sector times below for reference if you want (or advice :) ) (DS4-Automatic-TCS2)
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05XR8
How did you do it? Were you able to try using 3rd for most corners?
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I did use 3rd on some corners where i usually downgraded to 2nd, but I don't think it was the winning factor - keeping it safer and not taking chances was decisive.

I have to test some more, make a few runs alone for qualifications. My best was 7.53, not sure how the heck do people pull 7.30s
 
twitcher
What are people’s on bump drafting on the long straights in Race B? If it’s ok, how far from a braking zone should the last bump happen?




If you’re SR-S, I’d say it’s worth it to qualify. Most people at SR-S are clean enough (mistakes still happen), and the higher you qualify the more chance you have of increasing your DR.
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With sr system how it is now, every time you bump someone ahead of you they will:

a) get penalty
b) get orange sr down
c) drop sr without notification

Don't bump draft.

Sven Jurgens
Wow, PD, like to troll much. I just got put into a daily B room as the only B/S driver, rest all C/S and D/S, starting right in the middle. It was nothing like racing or driving even, just pinball all the way. Despite never getting a penalty or SR down, neutral rating at the end from all the received blows. I finally escaped the last ramming Brazilian at Pflanzgarten. I think he was missing his brake pedal. Next room 3 B/S, rest all D/S. WTF is going on. The mostly D/S room was better behaved, mainly due to ghosting kicking in much sooner in DR.D. Also props to the Brazilian following me, never hitting me, while having to brake hard a couple times for traffic messing up in front. Next up, back to A+/S to B/S, my SR crawled up to 91, that's what the problem was.
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I was in a NA room last night with one A/S in pole, 2 B/As and rest D/C to D/E.
Let's just say the racing felt like visiting one of them arcade bars in the 80's :lol:
 
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TimBoss351
If you qual say at 4 of 16, and end up 8 of 16, does DR drop? Or stay same or go up as long as you’re still in the top half?

I haven’t figured out how it all works.
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You gain roughly 80 DR points for finishing ahead of an equal rated(DR) drivers, more for finishing ahead of higher rated drivers and less for finishing ahead of lesser rated driver, the opposite is true for finishing behind them, the actual place you start doesn’t matter. For example, If you’re the highest rated driver in a room you must win or you lose DR points for a second place finish, basically you need to beat everyone rated equal or lower than your rating to gain DR points.

Edit: @Sven Jurgens explanation from another thread is much better than mine.

Sven Jurgens
It depends on your DR and that of the other drivers. Finish position is all that counts, where you start is irrelevant.

DR is a point exchange system, you take points from drivers you finish in front of and give points to those that finish ahead.
Base starts at 80 points per driver, so finishing 8 of 18 you lose 7x80 and gain 10x80.

However the difference between your DR and the driver you give/gain points from matters.
The difference between yours and their DR varies the amount by 80 points, the actual amount you gain/lose is 1 to 160 points per driver.

For every 500 DR points difference you get an extra point if the DR of the driver you beat is higher than yours.
For every 500 DR points difference you lose an extra point if the DR of the driver you finish behind is lower than yours.

SR doesn't matter, you said DR of other players varied from E to C.

DR.A+ runs from 50k to 75k
DR.A runs from 30k to 50k
DR.B runs from 10k to 30k
DR.C runs from 4k to 10k
DR.D runs from 0k to 4k
DR.E means you have not yet completed 5 races, they don't count. You don't get actual DR points until completing your fifth race.

If your DR is DR.B at 20K and you finish behind a DR.C driver with 5K, you lose 80 + (15,000 / 500) = 110 points to that driver
If your DR is DR.B at 20K and you finish in front of a DR.C driver with 5K, you gain 80 - (15,000 / 500) = 50 points from that driver

If your DR is DR.B at 20K and you finish behind a DR.A driver with 40K, you lose 80 - (20,000 / 500) = 40 points to that driver
If your DR is DR.B at 20K and you finish in front of a DR.A driver with 40K, you gain 80 + (20,000 / 500) = 120 points from that driver


It depends on the other people in the room how high you need to finish to gain DR. If you are the only DR.B in a DR.C to DR.D room, you probably have to finish top 5 or top 3 to gain points. A lower rated driver finishing ahead of you takes away a lot of points, while you gain little from beating them.

Your next question is likely where do you find out your DR :)
https://www.kudosprime.com/gts/stats.php?profile=search
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twitcher
What are people’s on bump drafting on the long straights in Race B? If it’s ok, how far from a braking zone should the last bump happen?
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Unless they changed it in the last update, bump drafting gets the car in front SR Down for every bump, so it's generally not advised.
 
Horrible night racing...lost about 1,500 DR points in 2 races. Loved it though 'cause I think I learned a little.

1st mistake: raced way too soon. Reckon quali time is still 1 to 1.5 secs off where I should be (think I have 2.06 easy but currently at mid 2.07s) but haven't had time to improve and wanted to race. Only put in about 10 to 15 laps in total and that was with 5 different cars so no proper tests done.

2nd mistake: decided last minute to race and used the car I happened to be in at the time rather than the one I would have done best in. Used the Lexus which is nice but I've only 200KM on it in total. Found coming down the dipper that the back gets really light. Nice car but not my weapon of choice.

3rd mistake: second race used a favoured car, Vantage with over 5,000 KM (not fastest quali but I know her so well it is reassuring to drive) but put it on hard tires to try and no stop, which is fine but all of my tests had been on unworn softs. Missed braking points all over the place. Needed a sand wedge to get out of the chase and found a piece of grass on at forest that I never even noticed before.

Result, crap qualification, went off more times than I can remember and finished last in two races.

Lots of lessons to be learned. Next time I'm playing safe, sticking to a car I know, soft tyres and two stop, and plan to simply keep the car on the track for 9 laps and see where that gets me.
 
I tried a no stop on Bathurst. Unfortunately there was a dirty player blocking and bumping me off 3 times before he pitted in lap 5. He had 17 sec of penalties by that time, didn't finish the race and left with a red D. So my fastest lap was only 2:06 after he put me in the gravel at the bottom of the hill and I had some room to race until I caught him at forest elbow again, so he could punt me off at the bottom of the hill again....

Anyway, the tires were shot by the end of the race, perhaps worse from driving through gravel 3 times. Rear right only had 1 pixel left and my last laps were 2:;11, 2:12, and not in time for the finish. Probably a second slower again. The pit stop only lasts 9 seconds, so not worth it.
 
Sven Jurgens
I tried a no stop on Bathurst. Unfortunately there was a dirty player blocking and bumping me off 3 times before he pitted in lap 5. He had 17 sec of penalties by that time, didn't finish the race and left with a red D. So my fastest lap was only 2:06 after he put me in the gravel at the bottom of the hill and I had some room to race until I caught him at forest elbow again, so he could punt me off at the bottom of the hill again....

Anyway, the tires were shot by the end of the race, perhaps worse from driving through gravel 3 times. Rear right only had 1 pixel left and my last laps were 2:;11, 2:12, and not in time for the finish. Probably a second slower again. The pit stop only lasts 9 seconds, so not worth it.
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I found similar! I went off a few times, had a seriously crap race and was last by 5 seconds. I wasn't sure if the tyres were more shot becuase of that or just the natural wear. However I did feel that had my driving not been so poor I would have ended up in the mix for mid place finishes, having lost over 30 seconds for offs so I'd have been mid pack without the errors. The problem then would have been that with such heavy wear and racing mid pack I'd have been tip-toeing around the track and only getting in the way of other players.
 
Goooo ! Tell it on the Mountain... set my horsepower freeeeeeee! I was too stuffed last night for a race report. Ran the Mountain in the rexy. Beat my qualifying time from the Mustang and started P12/17 on a mixed grid of DR/A-D and mostly SR/A with some Bs and a couple of Ss.

It was pandemonium, and I just wasn't digging the night racing. I felt I could see better on the Nordschlefe at night than Mount Panorama. Could just be the choice of car. I'm missing my cues for getting in position for two of the apexes across the top of the mountain, and the kink on Conrod is doing my head in. I see the floating blue drop and the cone so I know at least that it's there... when I haven't gotten lost :crazy:. Picking the right time to turn in without lifting still has me confused :confused:. I got knocked around a bit. Started on hards, pitted lap 6 far more comfortably than with the Mustang. Changed to Mediums.

Despite some offs, wall slams and generally getting pushed around I managed to claw my way back from second last to P10.

SR white, so still 78, DR dropped another 90.

On to tonight. I didn't do Race B because I was too stuffed after trying to get Herbie dolled up in Holden Dealer Team white and dayglow orange. That was doing my head in :rolleyes:. So on to qualifying and still having visibility issues. I was thinking I was finding the bug boogying pretty well, and improved my qualifying time by 3s. I was impressed. I started P10/18 on similar mix of DR and SR.

Race starts and it's not long before I have people crash passing, rear ending and generally bullying me around the track. Some of it was probably because they also had visibility issues, but some of it was very blatant ramming :mad:. I finally managed to get some breathing space, but couldn't work out why laps 4, 5 and 6 I was struggling with some of the corners that I was in the groove for before. I screwed up The Chase 3 consecutive laps and it left me scratching my head. I pitted and had an "Aha! " moment. I was on friggin softs!!! That explains the 3s gain in qualifying :crazy:. I musta had softs on for a GT lounge race and didn't realise they were still on there :banghead:. Changed to mediums for the last 3 laps, but i guess I could have gone softs .. I can get 3 laps out of them. Anyway I came out of the pits P12 and managed to reel in P11 and pass them when they went for an excursion to finish P11. Red SR :(.

SR dropped by 1, DR went up 5. Another day above DR 1 :crazy:.
 
I did two more races over the mountain with stopping. I'm faster over all with a one stop for sure. However first race I got punted off by a South American of course, he did not finish the race. In fact only 5 people finished that race, 6 quit or got disqualified. I finished 4th or 1 up from last lol.

The next race was more populated, if you can call it a race. There was one lap where I did not get rammed off. The worst was this
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A dirty Argentinian trying to take revenge on a dirty Brazilian. That Brazilian rammed me off 3 times in the race before he finally quit or got disqualified. Two other Brazilians also rammed me off during the race. I'm done with Bathurst, it's unplayable like this. Split the server again, it was better. Most of the room had red ratings, including all the South Americans. Most Brazilians either left with a red B or DNF. This is not confirmation bias anymore when it happens every day. To be fair, the a-hole in the first race where I tried a no stop was a Canadian. (The no stop at least worked to get rid of that piece of work, never saw him again)

Back to Nordschleife later, less walls to keep dirty drivers on the road or bounce back into your path. It's a miracle the brush hasn't caught on fire at Bathurst with the amount of sparks flying everywhere over the mountain.

Luckily my SR never suffered, no booboos by the penalty system, still 99, (Well one SR Down when getting bumped off in T2, didn't affect my rating) DR loss a bit less than a 1000.
 
well i qualified at 7:44.xxx on race B after 5 laps or so. I should be able to get it down to mid-high 30s. the guys running high 20s are propably out of my reach. TCS = 0, MT are key. when you're near the front, the racing is pretty gentlemanly.

twitcher
What are people’s on bump drafting on the long straights in Race B? If it’s ok, how far from a braking zone should the last bump happen?
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was pretty common in gt5 & 6 but with the penatly system in gts, bump drafting results in penalties for the front car. i hope they fix this.
 
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VolkswagenX
I've seen enough to know that I will skip this weeks daily races. I like The Ring and Bathurst but I can't see any good racing come of it at ratings C/S and B/S. Tokyo is meh.. Will stick to doing qualy laps to improve my skills on the wheel.
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That’s my plan too I think, this thread is reading like a Stephen King novel right now lol.
 
Sven Jurgens
I did two more races over the mountain with stopping. I'm faster over all with a one stop for sure. However first race I got punted off by a South American of course, he did not finish the race. In fact only 5 people finished that race, 6 quit or got disqualified. I finished 4th or 1 up from last lol.

The next race was more populated, if you can call it a race. There was one lap where I did not get rammed off. The worst was this
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A dirty Argentinian trying to take revenge on a dirty Brazilian. That Brazilian rammed me off 3 times in the race before he finally quit or got disqualified. Two other Brazilians also rammed me off during the race. I'm done with Bathurst, it's unplayable like this. Split the server again, it was better. Most of the room had red ratings, including all the South Americans. Most Brazilians either left with a red B or DNF. This is not confirmation bias anymore when it happens every day. To be fair, the a-hole in the first race where I tried a no stop was a Canadian. (The no stop at least worked to get rid of that piece of work, never saw him again)

Back to Nordschleife later, less walls to keep dirty drivers on the road or bounce back into your path. It's a miracle the brush hasn't caught on fire at Bathurst with the amount of sparks flying everywhere over the mountain.

Luckily my SR never suffered, no booboos by the penalty system, still 99, (Well one SR Down when getting bumped off in T2, didn't affect my rating) DR loss a bit less than a 1000.
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Maybe it has to do with the time of day, or something. I've done 3 Bathurst race so far, and never been hit by anyone. I'm gonna start another one in a few minutes. I may have just been getting lucky. We'll see.

Edit: Didn't make it. I'll try the 7:30 race (California time).
 
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I've seen enough to know that I will skip this weeks daily races. I like The Ring and Bathurst but I can't see any good racing come of it at ratings C/S and B/S. Tokyo is meh.. Will stick to doing qualy laps to improve my skills on the wheel.
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I'm working crazy hours, including all weekend, so no real time to get comfortable to race Bathurst at night with any real results. I do love racing that track at night though so half tempted to just set your quali as a target.:p
 
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2nd mistake: decided last minute to race and used the car I happened to be in at the time rather than the one I would have done best in. Used the Lexus which is nice but I've only 200KM on it in total. Found coming down the dipper that the back gets really light. Nice car but not my weapon of choice.

3rd mistake: second race used a favoured car, Vantage with over 5,000 KM (not fastest quali but I know her so well it is reassuring to drive) but put it on hard tires to try and no stop, which is fine but all of my tests had been on unworn softs. Missed braking points all over the place. Needed a sand wedge to get out of the chase and found a piece of grass on at forest that I never even noticed before.
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THose are the two cars I have used. The Lexus has always appealed and the Vantage is the one car where i can use TC2 and lay on the power and just get enough grip and enough slip at Interlagos.

Anyways, the Lexus definitely has better turn in but you need to dial the balance to the front until she is just waging her tail a bit into the heavy braking and dropping section after mcphillamy and before the dipper.

The Vantage gets on the power better an dis a bit stronger in a straight line. IMHo it's the most under-rated car in the game for GT3.
 
Pigems
I was able to beat my Race C time by 2 tenths, I love this track as a time trial but the thought of a race of it is scary lol. :)


I couldn’t beat my time for Race A though, but I did come within a tenth of it, I forgot to save my replays yesterday so today’s are all I got. Hopefully I can beat them again tomorrow. :)
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I have to say thanks for posting this. Though you are definitely faster in a race than I am, I've found that our best laps at the end of the week, at least if I learn the track and get comfortable, are close. I've been using you to gauge what is possible for me, and the vids really help...although I wish I didn't have to convert KPH to MPH. I expect (hope?) to be in the 29's at Tokyo once I can really run some laps. Your vid confirms where I know I was loosing time. I managed to get the gold at the Nord in a GT3, so I'm hopeful to work my way down to a respectable time there. The other one, and at night...I was slow there last time and I'll need a lot of laps so I don't know if I'll have time for that this week. We'll see. Maybe if I run 600 races there. Only about 595 to go!

I did manage to pip you with the Fiat 500.:mischievous: My first top 100 in the region (#77), so that made me happy, though I really wanted a 1:06. Opt. time was a 1:06.8 and neither of my best sectors was in the Q time I set. Oh well. I really want to get top 100 in a GR3...someday!
 
Finally did a Race A and actually really enjoyed it. I would have finished P4 if I hadn't picked up my only penalty of the race by clipping a wall on the last lap so ended up 5th. My only real gripe is that it seems really easy to get rid of penalties. A car ahead of me had over 7 seconds of penalties. I overtook him and he managed to get rid of the lot by coasting down the later half of the straight sections with no significant time loss.

My 5th place resulted in losing all of 6 DR, but SR 99 maintained :)

Fun race though and the most fun I've had on this Tokyo layout.
 
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