"Daily" Race Discussion [Archive]

[sturk0167]

Maybe we could set up a weekly race where we all get together and run through the daily races in a lobby together.

That's a pretty good idea.

I knew it would be something with Nürburgring. PD sometimes has good ideas and selects a track when there‘s happening something in the real world: We had Bathurst around the 12h race, we had Le Mans around the 24 hours. Now VLN started this years season and we have the ring. I bet we will have it again in May for the 24 hour race.

Sweet. I like that trend, because there's an 8 hour GT3 race coming up, at Laguna Seca. Hopefully they will add that track. 👍

 

[ststav01]

had really nice races this week on Interlagos - surprisingly clean and not a single bump on the first turn from around 20 races (A/S lobbies). Looking at the races for next week's "dailies" there seems to be some kind of a pattern like GR3 - Interlagos, GR4 - Dragon Trail, GR1 - Le mans....can't rememeber the last time we had Brands Hatch as a daily/weekly race which is a pitty...

 

[beegentoo]

That's a pretty good idea.

Sweet. I like that trend, because there's an 8 hour GT3 race coming up, at Laguna Seca. Hopefully they will add that track. 👍

There are still two japanese tracks left to add: Aida/TI and Motegi

 

[Sven Jurgens]

But would you still say that the seemingly unusual level of difficulty regarding the poles/wins trophies is very much related to player count either way, right? I could see that, especially since only a fraction of players who bought GTS are typically in Sport Mode, and a further fraction of that are within my region. With this in mind, would you suggest that I try to get into races where I think more people will be participating in general?

Like on one hand, the daily races have both North and South America, but the FIAGTC races may have more people in general that are interested, even if they're limited to the USA and Canada.

Best is not to focus on winning. It will come eventually. Trophies are meaningless anyway.

But yes, the more people are on the better matchmaking can make fairer races.

 

[slthree]

I don't know how many races I've done on Interlagos, but all of them, save 2, have been fantastic races, very clean

I tried 1 race at Tokyo and never went back. I'm not good enough to fend off the dirty drivers. That's why Sven is my new hero He sets dirty drivers straight!

EDIT: Now that I mention it, is there a way to find out how many daily races I did on Interlagos?

 

[wtrain77]

I also have over 6,500 races completed, win percentage is about 7.5%

Sadly SR.S does not mean cleaner races (on some tracks) especially on Tokyo. Due to how matchmaking works you get a higher DR spread in SR.S. Since I start at the back (without qualifying) I get to start behind less skilled drivers creating more chaos at the start of the race. Lower SR has a bigger pool of players to match on closer pace which means less trouble at the start.

SR.S also makes some people more aggressive. Either frustrated because they get matched with players of way higher skill (due to the small player pool at SR.S) or they figure they might as well 'spend' some SR points as there's nothing more to gain from driving clean.




It was pretty clear from the start that that race was a write off. When I really want to get rid off / educate a dirty player I do it like this:

That was my first race today. It's the guy starting behind me. It was clear from his behavior in T1 and T2 that he was a bad apple. Thus I put my cop mode on and went to work to pull him over. Bad boys bad boys, what you gonna do...

I guess my SR got too high, Too many SR.S drivers (and South Americans) in the room. A whole bunch dropped down to SR.B after the race, including me. There were 2 blue ratings in that room, still with red dots. The first two laps were nothing but destruction derby pinball with nowhere to go. I got up to 20 sec in penalties from getting slammed around. Dropped to last to serve the whole bunch in lap 3, then made it back to 11th. No matter, I like it better in SR.B on Tokyo. Time for a break first.

Ooh, I see N24 next week, bye bye sleep.

Apparently nothing has changed. Vengeance for perceived slights continue.

Really? You want to keep that thing going, by coming at me? First of all, you don't know what you're talking about, because the thread was deleted about a minute after I posted. I doubt anyone saw it. I wasn't exactly defending anything. I was saying there are ways to handle those things, other than creating a thread like that.

Let's call a spade a spade here. Forum rules dictate naming and shaming is not allowed. I fully accept and will comply. However, how is this post from Sven Jurgens any different? He clearly calls this guy out for bad behavior, takes it upon himself to seek payback, and posts a video for all to see the offending player's psn name.

 

[slthree]

Apparently nothing has changed. Vengeance for perceived slights continue.

I think someone with over 6 THOUSAND races has a pretty good sense of what is good hard racing and dirty racing

The reason I say that is because I used to think every time I got pushed or tapped, the opponent was dirty. But, with repeated viewing of replays, I learned that wasn't always the case, and I only have about 50 races under my belt.

Of course we can't always be right, though.

 

[Redvette]

On every other gr3 track, ive used the 911rsr because of it’s stability and predictability. At interlagos this week, i just couldnt get comfortable, it actually seemed much less stable than the r8. I ended up using the new McLaren f1, it is very stable and the fastest in a strait line of the cars i tested. 161 at the finish line while turning 1:33 qualy laps. The only downside is that the brakes are noticably worse than any other car. You have to adjust your braking points, but that is a pretty easy adjustment. For those folks that are kinda new to this I recommend this car. It is very forgiving in the corners.

 

[Sven Jurgens]

Apparently nothing has changed. Vengeance for perceived slights continue.

Let's call a spade a spade here. Forum rules dictate naming and shaming is not allowed. I fully accept and will comply. However, how is this post from Sven Jurgens any different? He clearly calls this guy out for bad behavior, takes it upon himself to seek payback, and posts a video for all to see the offending player's psn name.

The naming and shaming policy is for the sake of google search type engines. As long as search engines don't turn up posted videos in which said name is visible (or in the title, anything searchable), it's fine or rather in the grey area. Plus it's a lot of work to blur out names in videos. I do in screenshots sometimes, usually can't be bothered. Don't be bad, don't get posted.

As for perceived slights

0:21 Attempt at wall riding yet nr 15 gets in the way and punted into the wall as a result.
0:34 Deliberate shove 15th into the wall as revenge for getting in his way.
0:53 Punts 14th into the wall at the bridge.
0:57 Tries to block me by diving to the inside for no reason, bumps me into the wall.
1:00 Deliberately shoves me into the wall.

I'm sorry, racing license revoked. 5 contacts in less than a minute, should not be on the track.

 

[05XR8]

Yes, more Gr.4 love. Haven't run the RC F on the reverse layout. I'm usually in the Mustang(for balance and torque) or Atenza(for corner exit grip).

 

[Flash_Sweden]

I see it’s time to pull out the rig again, after a week of rest.
I love DT-seaside. Would’ve preferred the other “version”, but we had that 3-4 weeks ago.
I may also try the Nordschleife. If it had been more laps, and less tire wear/fuel consumption, I’d be all over it. 2 laps is kind of “meh”.

 

[wtrain77]

The naming and shaming policy is for the sake of google search type engines. As long as search engines don't turn up posted videos in which said name is visible (or in the title, anything searchable), it's fine or rather in the grey area. Plus it's a lot of work to blur out names in videos. I do in screenshots sometimes, usually can't be bothered. Don't be bad, don't get posted.

As for perceived slights

0:21 Attempt at wall riding yet nr 15 gets in the way and punted into the wall as a result.
0:34 Deliberate shove 15th into the wall as revenge for getting in his way.
0:53 Punts 14th into the wall at the bridge.
0:57 Tries to block me by diving to the inside for no reason, bumps me into the wall.
1:00 Deliberately shoves me into the wall.

I'm sorry, racing license revoked. 5 contacts in less than a minute, should not be on the track.

I do not want to break any forum rules so I appeal to the administrators regarding this. Is it ok to link to the video regarding the race in question as long as I don't name the driver specifically in the thread as Sven suggests?

Sven, if you are adamant you are in the right, the administrators may make an exception and allow me to link to the video here if you consent. You clearly have saved a file of the race yourself. Let's post both of our versions and let every one judge for themselves.

I have a strong suspicion you will not accept my offer. I certainly have nothing to hide.

 

[Dogwolf77]

Apparently nothing has changed. Vengeance for perceived slights continue.



Let's call a spade a spade here. Forum rules dictate naming and shaming is not allowed. I fully accept and will comply. However, how is this post from Sven Jurgens any different? He clearly calls this guy out for bad behavior, takes it upon himself to seek payback, and posts a video for all to see the offending player's psn name.

How is it any different than real racing news? I see it all the time, rivaling drivers. Last weekend there were a couple that the media kept playing over and over.
Not taking sides but it’s reality. The moral of the story is that bad behavior is not anonymous any longer.

NP man, anytime. Good Luck!

The Mclaren is absolutely awesome sounding and drives so so nice. For N24, if you graze the grass even a little bit, your spinning off the track. The R8 is awesome too, but same thing. The Lancer is on rails. Sure footing all the way, very forgiving.

But, I’m no pro so yes it’s my race craft that needs work before handling the Mighty Mclaren

I do not want to break any forum rules so I appeal to the administrators regarding this. Is it ok to link to the video regarding the race in question as long as I don't name the driver specifically in the thread as Sven suggests?

Sven, if you are adamant you are in the right, the administrators may make an exception and allow me to link to the video here if you consent. You clearly have saved a file of the race yourself. Let's post both of our versions and let every one judge for themselves.

I have a strong suspicion you will not accept my offer. I certainly have nothing to hide.

Guys this sounds like the beginnings of a great and lasting friendship

Shake proverbial hands and make up

 

[Melbourne Park]

Apparently nothing has changed. Vengeance for perceived slights continue.

Let's call a spade a spade here. Forum rules dictate naming and shaming is not allowed. I fully accept and will comply. However, how is this post from Sven Jurgens any different? He clearly calls this guy out for bad behavior, takes it upon himself to seek payback, and posts a video for all to see the offending player's psn name.

I remember someone queried who Blitztoo was, because he (that is "me") hit a good driver at the first corner at the Nurburgring F1 circuit. The guy I hit was faster than me, and I cost him lots from the crash. The poster had also been hit by me previously, on the Nordshliefe (and I had only had one race there).

Those posts were not removed, and the poster put on the pics of the incident.

IMO though that track can create incidents at the first corner ... if you are not on the right side of the track during the turn, and touch and you'll loose a lot (in penalties or you'll leave the track). The incident that I created also later happened to me - it was IMO a track circumstance. My rating has normally been 99. Athough right now I think its 80 something but I've stopped racing because I have not enjoyed racing with three yellow bars versus the Japanese who always now race with 5 dark green bars, so I have stopped racing.

Also, I had qualified 3rd, but the drivers in front were a fare bit faster than me, plus I was not effectively left foot braking then. So while my qualifying put me with fast drivers, my control was lacking ... my intent was not to damage, but I did ...

But pointing out what is perceived as bad driving, and naming players, I don't think it's a bad thing at all.

I might feel different if my real name was used though. But at the end of the day, it is just a game. And things happen that are a combination of circumstance etc.

The other thing you need to consider IMO, is that there are a huge number of posts made here. Your post in a couple of days time will be maybe 12 pages ago, maybe 6, or maybe 23 pages from now ... so while a criticism might sting, its soon lost and impossible to find again. I have no idea who criticised me, and I could never find that post again. But he got it off his chest, and perhaps he learned that I was not a deliberately nasty driver.

As far as Sven goes, he's become a bit of a vigilante - sure. But that is because of the stupidity of the game ... he's actually following what appears to be the intent of GTS - to have a simulator that benefits those who tap in the rear of the car in front, and then leave the bitumen and cause the car they hit, to incur time penalties. Obviously IMO that is a bad feature of the game. Also the game allows a defending driver to move left then right then left etc etc on straights without any punishments.

Sven IMO feels if he exploits the game to punish deliberate crashers, then maybe one day PD will repair the game and discourage drivers from deliberately crashing into others.

 

[wtrain77]

I had a thread deleted so i don't want to ruffle anymore feathers regarding what is acceptable on this site. Hence, my proposal to Sven and my appeal to administrators on what is acceptable.

 

[Sven Jurgens]

I do not want to break any forum rules so I appeal to the administrators regarding this. Is it ok to link to the video regarding the race in question as long as I don't name the driver specifically in the thread as Sven suggests?

Sven, if you are adamant you are in the right, the administrators may make an exception and allow me to link to the video here if you consent. You clearly have saved a file of the race yourself. Let's post both of our versions and let every one judge for themselves.

I have a strong suspicion you will not accept my offer. I certainly have nothing to hide.

Go ahead, I have no problem with any videos of my bad behavior. I'm no saint. That race was an exception and as I already stated earlier, I did single you out to get down to SR.B fast. Next race is starting!

 

[wtrain77]

Go ahead, I have no problem with any videos of my bad behavior. I'm no saint. That race was an exception and as I already stated earlier, I did single you out to get down to SR.B fast. Next race is starting!

Thank you for conceding it was bad behavior on your part and admitting you singled me out for two punt attempts.

 

[stpatty]

Hopefully the Nürburgring race is at night again, those are always great fun.

 

[Sven Jurgens]

Thank you for conceding it was bad behavior on your part and admitting you singled me out for two punt attempts.

Yes, I said I was sorry for that. However be a bit more careful next time and you won't get targeted. As you saw, there are way more effective methods to retaliate than useless punts. Good luck dodging traffic!

I just received 2 unfair penalties again, Argentina and Brazil representing, business as usual. They crashed themselves out before I saw them again. SR down to 49 for that, mid SR.B, which is a good place to be where ghosting is much better, essential for surviving Tokyo. The one big problem left is people serving penalties in / right before braking zones, often in lap 1 with the field coming in hot.

And again, Brazil. I would have had 2nd place yet instead a 4 sec penalty for getting mashed into a wall in the last lap. It's mostly the penalty system that's aggravating and laggy connections getting the benefit of it.

 

[Pigems]

I just ordered my shifter finally, got the TH8A, it could possibly be here by Friday. Oh Yeah!

 

[Flash_Sweden]

Hooked up and ready to slay the dragon tomorrow I also just now realized that I have to swap that MDF-board. It looks nasty It’s just residue from chips and other snacks that’s mandatory while drinking beer, but damn, it looks awful

 

[Invisigoth]

Yeah. It got deleted right after I posted a comment there about Sven sniffing glue.

I'm not Sport racing, either. Just working on building up the bank account. 👍

The professional red bull standard race at la Sarthe is good for that. I do it in about 8:30 👍.

Thanks for the recommendation! I appreciate it. I’ll start with the R8. That’s a smooth ride.

Um, yeh, be careful. For race Bs the R8 is awesome, but add tyre wear into the equation and its a bear. I found that out the hard way both at Catalunya and Bathurst.

That was my first race today. It's the guy starting behind me. It was clear from his behavior in T1 and T2 that he was a bad apple. Thus I put my cop mode on and went to work to pull him over. Bad boys bad boys, what you gonna do...

"I am the chosen one! Mighty hand of vengeance sent to strike the unroadworthy! I'm a fuel injected suicide machine! "

That's a pretty good idea.

Sweet. I like that trend, because there's an 8 hour GT3 race coming up, at Laguna Seca. Hopefully they will add that track. 👍

Tsk tsk. If I've learnt anything, it's that you can't call it Laguna Seca.... you have to call it Mazda Raceway Laguna Seca .

And the theme song for today's post... "Screaming for vengeance"

 

[wtrain77]

Yes, I said I was sorry for that. However be a bit more careful next time and you won't get targeted. As you saw, there are way more effective methods to retaliate than useless punts. Good luck dodging traffic!

I just received 2 unfair penalties again, Argentina and Brazil representing, business as usual. They crashed themselves out before I saw them again. SR down to 49 for that, mid SR.B, which is a good place to be where ghosting is much better, essential for surviving Tokyo. The one big problem left is people serving penalties in / right before braking zones, often in lap 1 with the field coming in hot.

And again, Brazil. I would have had 2nd place yet instead a 4 sec penalty for getting mashed into a wall in the last lap. It's mostly the penalty system that's aggravating and laggy connections getting the benefit of it.

Since we are now giving advice, I would like to offer my own. This is a game meant for fun and entertainment. We are not professional racecar drivers and to expect that kind of etiquette and car control from your average sim racer is unrealistic. Mistakes will be made. If the offense is not clearly egregious and/or deliberate, try not to take it personally.

Realize that most incidents that occur are not intentional. Just move forward and try to keep it clean. I am sure getting revenge can be satisfying, but in my opinion it is a petty look, and in this case it backfired on you.

 

[Darwock]

Second: You mentioned that you were disappointed that your SR went up. Shouldn't we aim for the highest SR possible?

I stopped racing in dailies because of the difficulty in keeping SR intact. It had also been an insanely long time with no results to speak of, so I wasn't enjoying it much. However my first FIA race this week dropped me from 99 to 47 SR, so I chose to do some Tokyo dailies in an attempt to recover my S before the next FIA round.

I haven't changed my approach to racing at all, but suddenly I was in competitive races, running top 5 most of the time, getting a few podiums and even a win.

SR-S should be the goal, but the matchmaking works in such a way that having SR-S will have a negative effect on the experience.

It seems like an SR in the high fifties is just about the sweet spot for me to have good (i.e. not 'easy') races. I'm not going to start tanking my SR on purpose, but I wish PD would give more weight to the DR side in matchmaking.

Incidentally I quite quickly and easily climbed up to SR-A, and as soon as I was in that category the races turned into complete carnage and I was sent back to 45 again lol.

Recovered once more to SR of 66 last night, and my DR has raised by 4000 from where I was before the FIA disaster. I opted not to race in SR-A again on that track for fear of losing it all, let's see what today brings.

 

[Melbourne Park]

...

Realize that most incidents that occur are not intentional. Just move forward and try to keep it clean. ...

Most critical incidents that happen to me are intentional.

The main cause IMO is that the game gives a drafting advantage to the car behind, which works quite strongly from around 0.75 seconds behind. But the game does not lower the grip of the car behind ie cornering speed when following close behind - like it does with a real world Formula 1 car. Being close behind can effect braking somewhat, but not cornering grip ie speed. So a car is encouraged by the game to catch the car in front, and then can sit behind that car ... and then bump that car when it suits the car behind. Without penalty for the bump, but causing the car in front to loose places and possibly ruin a hard fought race.

It's a game but IMO the majority of critical incidents in the better skilled races are quite deliberate. The game encourages hitting others because it benefits the skilled hitter.

 

[Sven Jurgens]

Since we are now giving advice, I would like to offer my own. This is a game meant for fun and entertainment. We are not professional racecar drivers and to expect that kind of etiquette and car control from your average sim racer is unrealistic. Mistakes will be made. If the offense is not clearly egregious and/or deliberate, try not to take it personally.

Realize that most incidents that occur are not intentional. Just move forward and try to keep it clean. I am sure getting revenge can be satisfying, but in my opinion it is a petty look, and in this case it backfired on you.

How so? I won the next two races in SR.B in a much cleaner environment


I expect that kind of etiquette in SR.S, however that's more the fault of PD who can't get the penalty system nor SR system to work reliably. You have to admit, the start of that race was ridiculous.

Revenge is fun and entertaining as well. I don't hold grudges though, I do so many races, no time for that. I don't actually have a hit list, reporting does nothing, the only thing that works is giving people penalties so they won't be in your next race.

I can usually tell the difference between deliberate and unintentional behavior. Yours was not deliberate, just overly aggressive without paying attention to the radar. However always letting aggressive / clumsy behavior slide, by getting out of the way, is not racing either.

 

[wtrain77]

How so? I won the next two races in SR.B in a much cleaner environment


I expect that kind of etiquette in SR.S, however that's more the fault of PD who can't get the penalty system nor SR system to work reliably. You have to admit, the start of that race was ridiculous.

Revenge is fun and entertaining as well. I don't hold grudges though, I do so many races, no time for that. I don't actually have a hit list, reporting does nothing, the only thing that works is giving people penalties so they won't be in your next race.

I can usually tell the difference between deliberate and unintentional behavior. Yours was not deliberate, just overly aggressive without paying attention to the radar. However always letting aggressive / clumsy behavior slide, by getting out of the way, is not racing either.

I disagree and most who saw the video and chimed in before the thread got deleted agree. Although, you agreed to have the video reposted, I won't unless an overwhelming number of members request it. Enjoy revenge ramming and gaming the penalty system to annoy other drivers. Good day sir.

And for the record, at the risk of getting banned, lets not pretend you are immune to
mistakes and incidental contact. There were multiple instances in that same video of your involvement with other drivers. I didn't point them out in the deleted thread because you apparently had an axe to grind with ME. As a result, I only highlighted incidents involving us.

 

[O604]

I swear Tsukuba is rigged against me.

Finally got a decent race in. Moved up. Clean race bonus. Still -DR. Twice this week on Tsukuba gaining positions but losing DR with no lower DR opponents in the race.

On the plus side got my Race A QT down to 1:12.587. Was stuck around 1:13 for days. Still only got me P10. Against some hard competition.

 

[slthree]

@Sven Jurgens , I'm on record as LOVING the fact that you are on a mission to force PD to fix the penalty system.

I'm also a fan of you assuming the mantle of "Enforcer" against dirty drivers.

That said, I saw the full video on YouTube and, to my eye, @wtrain77 raced a very clean 7 laps. The poor guy didn't deserve the punting you gave him on lap 6 and the near punting on lap 7

I feel like if we're on this site together, we are kind of like brothers. Anyone NOT on this site and who drives dirty is the real enemy. LOL

 

[Sven Jurgens]

I disagree and most who saw the video and chimed in before the thread got deleted agree. Although, you agreed to have the video reposted, I won't unless an overwhelming number of members request it. Enjoy revenge ramming and gaming the penalty system to annoy other drivers. Good day sir.

And for the record, at the risk of getting banned, lets not pretend you are immune to
mistakes and incidental contact. There were multiple instances in that same video of your involvement with other drivers. I didn't point them out in the deleted thread because you apparently had an axe to grind with ME. As a result, I only highlighted incidents involving us.

Lol that was one race getting away from SR.S. Yep I make mistakes as well, and normally don't capitalize on them. As I said before, that race was a write off, nothing like serious racing was going on there.


I just had a race with the 2 dirtiest drivers in a while. Every time I passed them, rammed again at T1 then bump passed. I pass them again after they screw up the bridge, only to get rammed again at the hairpin. 3 laps in a row. There was no need for any 'revenge' as the penalty system was working correctly. I didn't get any penalties, blue SR. I simply passed them cleanly again and again while they chose to get more penalties. One crossed the line with over 22 sec on the clock and dropped to SR.D. They cost me 2nd place though who was driving around with 15 sec in penalties. However the 2 fun drivers kept slowing me down. Still got the fastest lap from earlier in the race.

Aplogies to Argentina, you do have great drivers. Next to me the only other driver in the room without a red dot and blue SR was an Argentinian. Respect.


Btw, here's a bit of my race history

The -25 SR, 11th place finish, was the race with you.

What I am guilty off is not treating the game all that serious. With an average of 13 races a day, how long do you think I dwell on one particular race. It's pretty easy to gauge the mood of a room when you race a lot.