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It was pretty clear from the start that that race was a write off. When I really want to get rid off / educate a dirty player I do it like this:

That was my first race today. It's the guy starting behind me. It was clear from his behavior in T1 and T2 that he was a bad apple. Thus I put my cop mode on and went to work to pull him over. Bad boys bad boys, what you gonna do...


This looks like it was taken straight out of Need for Speed: Hot Pursuit. I'm surprised he only accumulated around 5 seconds of penalties after the hairpin. The havoc he caused should had warranted a disqualification or at least penalties in the double digits.
 
I don't know how any of you race at Tokyo. That's a hard enough track as it is.

It's deceiving in that it makes you think you can go full speed almost all the time, and you blink and you're touching a wall. Or, in my case, smashing a wall

Add to that a bunch of "hungry to pass", impatient pack of wolves and it's a recipe for disaster. That track should be for the elite racers only
 
@Sven Jurgens , I'm on record as LOVING the fact that you are on a mission to force PD to fix the penalty system.

I'm also a fan of you assuming the mantle of "Enforcer" against dirty drivers.

That said, I saw the full video on YouTube and, to my eye, @wtrain77 raced a very clean 7 laps. The poor guy didn't deserve the punting you gave him on lap 6 and the near punting on lap 7

I feel like if we're on this site together, we are kind of like brothers. Anyone NOT on this site and who drives dirty is the real enemy. LOL

It was more the penalty system giving me penalties for his errors that irked me. Since he was not innocent, I kinda used him to lower my SR while showing I was not ok with his driving style. Bumping someone into the wall and not paying attention to the car next to you at turn in is not very clean.

But yes, I fully admit, punting was over the top, ineffective and not called for. I didn't want to lower his SR either though, just my own. A good punt at least still gets judged correctly by the penalty system.
 
The naming and shaming policy is for the sake of google search type engines. As long as search engines don't turn up posted videos in which said name is visible (or in the title, anything searchable), it's fine or rather in the grey area. Plus it's a lot of work to blur out names in videos. I do in screenshots sometimes, usually can't be bothered. Don't be bad, don't get posted.

As for perceived slights

0:21 Attempt at wall riding yet nr 15 gets in the way and punted into the wall as a result.
0:34 Deliberate shove 15th into the wall as revenge for getting in his way.
0:53 Punts 14th into the wall at the bridge.
0:57 Tries to block me by diving to the inside for no reason, bumps me into the wall.
1:00 Deliberately shoves me into the wall.

I'm sorry, racing license revoked. 5 contacts in less than a minute, should not be on the track.

He didn't do anything wrong through most of that video, a few minor errors but nothing worth talking about, like the small bump on the ferrari through the fast chicane.

You on the other hand had disgusting driving. And from someone who posts here regularly and understands the game with the amount of races you do, I am very disappointed to see.

The 5 examples you listed in the quote here are entirely on you, not his fault at all. Just seems like the attitude of 'im right they're wrong'.

Sometimes I feel sorry for some of the luck you've had with penalties in the past with your gifs, but I guess that video shows your no better.

The quote below is what I started typing out the other day, I was hoping that was a one off, but I see you continue to abuse the wall penalties and hinder other drivers unfairly. Maybe you need a bresk from this game for a bit.

I guess I'm staying in SR.C. In SR.B clean passes are awarded with a penalty since people simply drive into you to bounce off into a wall. However I'm perfecting my game craft. This fool was swerving and blocking right from the final turn not happy with my better exit. The penalty system works great to deal with these.
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I get that the system is flawed in a way to allow you to do that, but I'm disappointed to see someone abuse it like that and it makes you as bad as the drivers your passing.
 
@Sven Jurgens , I'm on record as LOVING the fact that you are on a mission to force PD to fix the penalty system.

I'm also a fan of you assuming the mantle of "Enforcer" against dirty drivers.

That said, I saw the full video on YouTube and, to my eye, @wtrain77 raced a very clean 7 laps. The poor guy didn't deserve the punting you gave him on lap 6 and the near punting on lap 7

I feel like if we're on this site together, we are kind of like brothers. Anyone NOT on this site and who drives dirty is the real enemy. LOL
He likes to fight for fair.
 
It seems like an SR in the high fifties is just about the sweet spot for me to have good (i.e. not 'easy') races. I'm not going to start tanking my SR on purpose, but I wish PD would give more weight to the DR side in matchmaking.
I feel the same. I think it could match by lap times too.
 
He didn't do anything wrong through most of that video, a few minor errors but nothing worth talking about, like the small bump on the ferrari through the fast chicane.

You on the other hand had disgusting driving. And from someone who posts here regularly and understands the game with the amount of races you do, I am very disappointed to see.

The 5 examples you listed in the quote here are entirely on you, not his fault at all. Just seems like the attitude of 'im right they're wrong'.

Sometimes I feel sorry for some of the luck you've had with penalties in the past with your gifs, but I guess that video shows your no better.

The quote below is what I started typing out the other day, I was hoping that was a one off, but I see you continue to abuse the wall penalties and hinder other drivers unfairly. Maybe you need a bresk from this game for a bit.



I get that the system is flawed in a way to allow you to do that, but I'm disappointed to see someone abuse it like that and it makes you as bad as the drivers your passing.

Are you looking at the right video? The 5 examples you listed in the quote here are entirely on you His deliberate side swiping people into walls is on me?

Yes, I sometimes use wall penalties against people like in that video. It's the only 'tool' PD has given us to 'protest' certain behavior. I've followed the pacifist approach for my first 5 or 6 thousand races hoping the penalties would get fixed some day. I still go the pacifist route, avoidance way, in the vast majority of my races. Not every time anymore.

But it's true, Tokyo brings out the worst in people.
 


This one?


Those examples are from the NFS hot pursuit video


I have not seen that video above yet. I'll drag up my pov, should still be saved somewhere. It's certainly not anything I'm proud of, but you can see me at my worst no problem. Yep, I did go full GTA there.
 
Those examples are from the NFS hot pursuit video

Yep I see that now. I thought the timings were slightly off but close enough to make me think 'what is he thinking?!' lol my mistake. So clearly not a 'im right, your wrong' attitude, I apologise for that.

I am still disappointed about the driving I have witnessed from you in the video I linked and don't think it is right you are abusing the system to be a vigilante.
 
Apologies if it's already been posted, but what are this coming weeks races if anyone knows?

Suzuka Circuit East Course
7 Laps 12 Players Car(s): N100 | Specially Provided Car BoP: NoneSettings: Fixed Tire: Sports: Hard DR Limit: None

Dragon Trail - Seaside II
4 Laps 16 Players Car(s): GR4 | Car from Garage BoP: On Settings: Fixed Tire: Racing: Hard DR Limit: None

Nürburgring 24h
2 Laps 20 Players Car(s): GR3 | Car from Garage BoP: On Settings: Fixed Tire: Racing: Medium DR Limit: None

https://www.kudosprime.com/gts/events.php
 
Yep I see that now. I thought the timings were slightly off but close enough to make me think 'what is he thinking?!' lol my mistake. So clearly not a 'im right, your wrong' attitude, I apologise for that.

I am still disappointed about the driving I have witnessed from you in the video I linked and don't think it is right you are abusing the system to be a vigilante.

I am disappointed as well. It was the frustration of only getting worse races the higher my SR was getting. It shouldn't be like that. Anyway here's my pov. What set me off:

1:45 First penalty which I thought came from him bumping me.
1:50 That was my fault. I usually hug the inside there, shouldn't expect others to do the same.
2:20 I slow down and get bumped passed into the wall as result. Not his fault, yet adding to my frustration.
2:27 Same driver turns in on me, luckily no penalty.
3:37 Same drive swerves in the braking zone under braking into my path, can't avoid, penalty number two.
4:43 I get a mystery penalty, frustration building.
5:58 @wtrain77 turns into the corner as if I'm not there, penalty 4. My frustration level has reached critical mass.
6:23 I have to slow down for the other driver, but still leave space for traffic from behind.
6:41 Other driver hits the wall, messes me up, I get rammed by the car behind, screw up shifting and inadvertently punt the other driver.
7:51 ??? Teleporting car
8:48 I mess up, get 5 sec wall penalty, not thinking clearly anymore
9:18 Car in front brakes early, only place to go is inside, luckily he saw me coming
13:40 I lose my mind, go full GTA. See 15 sec penalties, a car responsible for 2 of them in front of me, I decide to go for SR.B.
15:53 Second punt, I hit him only on my screen odd, still the SR Down I was looking for.
Dunno why I bothered to scrub my penalties, as I said, wasn't thinking clearly.

 
Those examples are from the NFS hot pursuit video


I have not seen that video above yet. I'll drag up my pov, should still be saved somewhere. It's certainly not anything I'm proud of, but you can see me at my worst no problem. Yep, I did go full GTA there.

*coughcough* im@s car raped with penalties *coughcough*
 
Yep I see that now. I thought the timings were slightly off but close enough to make me think 'what is he thinking?!' lol my mistake. So clearly not a 'im right, your wrong' attitude, I apologise for that.

I am still disappointed about the driving I have witnessed from you in the video I linked and don't think it is right you are abusing the system to be a vigilante.
I am Australian ( you are an elite driver, from New Zealand). I'm 65 years old, started GTS in November I think, I am hardly fast.

But ... the game encourages crashes. For yourself, you are surrounded by highly skilled drivers, who rarely make an error. If you go a level below, to the S boards with a mix of A+ and A and B drivers, there's a tonne of dirty tactics that happen because a driver feels entitled to bump a car in front in order to pass them, and having some skill, they'll avoid a penalty or even take a small one in order to attempt to destroy a driver in front. If you start on the front row, or the top 3, you hardly have such issues. And if you're fast, you gap the crashing drivers who live from the back of the field up to typically where the time gaps appear, let's say around 4th place.

The crash for gain issue is increased by the multiple account phenomenon. One can get lower rated drivers who are very fast, and they don't care about hurting others ... in fact it often seems to be fun for them. They smash by you, you gain a penalty, and then they drive away from you. Or they'll cop a penalty, open up a gap, and then when they choose, they'll get rid of their time penalty. I remember when PD said compulsory same lap penalty zones were going to be part of the normal on line race games. But its not happened. Why not?

Don't blame Sven, he's been racing heaps and eventually he got so sick of the game awarding those who crashed others out or used the failure of the game to inflict fair or just or equitable time penalties, that he gave up, stopped reporting drivers all the time, and started to play the way more and more people are now playing.

And the game makes its easier to gain DR by having a lower SR rating. Which proves PD actively encourages crashing to gain ground as being an essential feature of the current algorithm.

While the vigilante approach can be viewed as reprehensible, what other way can there be to get PD to improve the fair racing aspect of the game? There are ways, but PD continues to even make things worse IMO. My way - I've stopped racing.

Yes, IMO it is due to PD, whose game awards such behaviour.

My original race account is Blitztoo https://www.kudosprime.com/gts/stats.php?profile=6968068 , and my new one is To_Blitz https://www.kudosprime.com/gts/stats.php?profile=8787558. When I went from 99 to A level in two races, I just gave up... I blamed our now poor internet connection which you would know about, but also the game encourages playing dirty. I hate that so I've stopped. I need a good internet connection (which PD have now removed for every single race normal on line race) to avoid the crashers, in the current state of the game, which awards playing dirty.
 
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I am disappointed as well. It was the frustration of only getting worse races the higher my SR was getting. It shouldn't be like that. Anyway here's my pov. What set me off:

1:45 First penalty which I thought came from him bumping me.
1:50 That was my fault. I usually hug the inside there, shouldn't expect others to do the same.
2:20 I slow down and get bumped passed into the wall as result. Not his fault, yet adding to my frustration.
2:27 Same driver turns in on me, luckily no penalty.
3:37 Same drive swerves in the braking zone under braking into my path, can't avoid, penalty number two.
4:43 I get a mystery penalty, frustration building.
5:58 @wtrain77 turns into the corner as if I'm not there, penalty 4. My frustration level has reached critical mass.
6:23 I have to slow down for the other driver, but still leave space for traffic from behind.
6:41 Other driver hits the wall, messes me up, I get rammed by the car behind, screw up shifting and inadvertently punt the other driver.
7:51 ??? Teleporting car
8:48 I mess up, get 5 sec wall penalty, not thinking clearly anymore
9:18 Car in front brakes early, only place to go is inside, luckily he saw me coming
13:40 I lose my mind, go full GTA. See 15 sec penalties, a car responsible for 2 of them in front of me, I decide to go for SR.B.
15:53 Second punt, I hit him only on my screen odd, still the SR Down I was looking for.
Dunno why I bothered to scrub my penalties, as I said, wasn't thinking clearly.



We will have to agree to disagree about me turning into you as if you are not there. I am not claiming to be an elite driver and admittedly make mistakes and will continue to do so. As Lion-Face pointed out, I made mistakes in this race and I admit to them. However, I do not believe I was at fault here on turn 2.

Here is a better camera angle of the incident in question for everyone to judge for themselves.



 
Wtrain77, you video does not identify which car is which! :banghead:



I am on the outside in the stock livery Huracan. Sven is in the sky blue Huracan on the inside attempting the overtake from the inside on turn 2.

Regardless of feeling this was a late lunge during the race, as you can see I still raced him fairly afterwards, which is not something he can say for himself.
 
What a carnage race.. I would exit a race like that instantly if someone drove into me like that crap I just saw in that video at the end of laps 6 and 7 👎

I suggest you guys learn the tracks better and try to qualify higher and hopefully start at the front and try to gun it away and leave that craziness behind in the dust.. I personally have only run 11 races online but drivers like that is what makes me steer clear of public lobbies :rolleyes:

Stay off the walls and try to drive consistent laps and maybe gain some confidence to turn the steering assists off as they are not helping if you are still smashing into the walls... improve your driving skills and etiquette and the races will get better for all :)👍
 
We will have to agree to disagree about me turning into you as if you are not there. I am not claiming to be an elite driver and admittedly make mistakes and will continue to do so. As Lion-Face pointed out, I made mistakes in this race and I admit to them. However, I do not believe I was at fault here on turn 2.

Here is a better camera angle of the incident in question for everyone to judge for themselves.





I always save the video as it happened since any lag alters the replay. Replays are unreliable imo. From my point of view I was already turning and it looked like you were aiming for the apex.
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You hitting me isn't what sets me off. It's getting penalties for driving clean. You are the unfortunate messenger.

Back to passive complaining. A race ago, 2 incidents
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4 sec penalty for getting a tap from behind.

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Another 2 sec for a dive bomb clipping me.

The next race had another car wedging himself between me and the wall, 5 sec penalty.

I'm currently down to 35 SR, A/C driver on the verge of getting reset again. Now I don't care about DR, what I do pride myself on is finishing races without a red dot. This penalty system is extremely frustrating as any screw up by another car easily awards you a penalty. As @Melbourne Park said, at some point I've had enough of taking blow after blow. However now I'm good again for the next couple hundred races.

And yup, reset. Clearly I'm at fault for braking and avoiding the cars in front of me.
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You have a better chance at not getting penalties by not braking at all. (It's not a corner to brake for yet that's what the traffic in front of me did with this as result) For example if I had not slowed down to avoid that car and used him as a bumper, resulting in wall contact for me, he would have gotten a penalty.

Next race, car ahead doesn't want me to pass
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He gets points for creativity, ghosts through me into the wall to give me a penalty.
 
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What a carnage race.. I would exit a race like that instantly if someone drove into me like that crap I just saw in that video at the end of laps 6 and 7 👎

I suggest you guys learn the tracks better and try to qualify higher and hopefully start at the front and try to gun it away and leave that craziness behind in the dust.. I personally have only run 11 races online but drivers like that is what makes me steer clear of public lobbies :rolleyes:

Stay off the walls and try to drive consistent laps and maybe gain some confidence to turn the steering assists off as they are not helping if you are still smashing into the walls... improve your driving skills and etiquette and the races will get better for all :)👍

Thanks for the laugh, we both did not qualify and I have over 300 races completed on that track :lol:
 
Had a race at Tsukuba tonight. Damn is it hard out there. I battled as best as I could and still managed to finish pretty much last. I was bumper to bumper with 2 cars through the last half of the race and lost out in the final turn. Just the worst luck this weekend. Hope I'm luckier next week.
 
Thanks for the laugh, we both did not qualify and I have over 300 races completed on that track :lol:

Yeah thanks for giving me a laugh also.. over 300 races on that track and you drive as bad as that hahahaha! you'd be better finding another game to play as you are really bad at this one :lol:

enjoy your bumper cars game Sven 👍
 
What a carnage race.. I would exit a race like that instantly if someone drove into me like that crap I just saw in that video at the end of laps 6 and 7 👎

I suggest you guys learn the tracks better and try to qualify higher and hopefully start at the front and try to gun it away and leave that craziness behind in the dust.. I personally have only run 11 races online but drivers like that is what makes me steer clear of public lobbies :rolleyes:

Guys like Sven and also wtrain77 seem to much prefer coming from last place. As an example, wtrain77's last qualifying was in the second week of December. It's true that if a driver races that way ie does not qualify - they will suffer more from the game's penalty design, because they are much faster than most of the drivers in front of them.

IMO and with respect to wtrain77, he was upset by Sven in apparently either one or maybe even a couple of races. The issue with Sven is IMO that he also is starting from the rear without qualifying, and yet, like wtrain77, he's also fast. But also, he thought wtrain77 was a bashing driver, so Sven took revenge ... this must have been very frustrating for wtrain77, who likely normally gets by and moves up to the front. Not so easy to do IMO if Sven thinks your dirty, as Sven is also capable of moving up to the front.

:cheers:
 

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I am Australian ( you are an elite driver, from New Zealand). I'm 65 years old, started GTS in November I think, I am hardly fast.

But ... the game encourages crashes. For yourself, you are surrounded by highly skilled drivers, who rarely make an error. If you go a level below, to the S boards with a mix of A+ and A and B drivers, there's a tonne of dirty tactics that happen because a driver feels entitled to bump a car in front in order to pass them, and having some skill, they'll avoid a penalty or even take a small one in order to attempt to destroy a driver in front. If you start on the front row, or the top 3, you hardly have such issues. And if you're fast, you gap the crashing drivers who live from the back of the field up to typically where the time gaps appear, let's say around 4th place.

The crash for gain issue is increased by the multiple account phenomenon. One can get lower rated drivers who are very fast, and they don't care about hurting others ... in fact it often seems to be fun for them. They smash by you, you gain a penalty, and then they drive away from you. Or they'll cop a penalty, open up a gap, and then when they choose, they'll get rid of their time penalty. I remember when PD said compulsory same lap penalty zones were going to be part of the normal on line race games. But its not happened. Why not?

Don't blame Sven, he's been racing heaps and eventually he got so sick of the game awarding those who crashed others out or used the failure of the game to inflict fair or just or equitable time penalties, that he gave up, stopped reporting drivers all the time, and started to play the way more and more people are now playing.

And the game makes its easier to gain DR by having a lower SR rating. Which proves PD actively encourages crashing to gain ground as being an essential feature of the current algorithm.

While the vigilante approach can be viewed as reprehensible, what other way can there be to get PD to improve the fair racing aspect of the game? There are ways, but PD continues to even make things worse IMO. My way - I've stopped racing.

Yes, IMO it is due to PD, whose game awards such behaviour.

My original race account is Blitztoo https://www.kudosprime.com/gts/stats.php?profile=6968068 , and my new one is To_Blitz https://www.kudosprime.com/gts/stats.php?profile=8787558. When I went from 99 to A level in two races, I just gave up... I blamed our now poor internet connection which you would know about, but also the game encourages playing dirty. I hate that so I've stopped. I need a good internet connection (which PD have now removed for every single race normal on line race) to avoid the crashers, in the current state of the game, which awards playing dirty.

That's a great post but I have to disagree with your comment that you're "hardly fast"having looked at your linked profile!!:cheers:
 
Guys like Sven and also wtrain77 seem to much prefer coming from last place. As an example, wtrain77's last qualifying was in the second week of December. It's true that if a driver races that way ie does not qualify - they will suffer more from the game's penalty design, because they are much faster than most of the drivers in front of them.

IMO and with respect to wtrain77, he was upset by Sven in apparently either one for maybe a couple of races. The issue with Sven is IMO that he also is starting from the rear without qualifying, and yet, like wtrain77, he's also fast. But also, he thought wtrain77 was a bashing driver, so Sven took revenge ... this must have been very frustrating for wtrain77, who likely normally gets by and moves up to the front. Not so easy to do IMO if Sven thinks your dirty, as Sven is also capable of moving up to the front.

:cheers:

It's more the matchmaking that creates these uneven races, hence I was aiming for lower SR to get a bit more level playing field. That kinda backfired now my DR has been reset again :lol: The penalty system aggravates the mismatched matchmaking by rewarding aggressive driving, while being careful usually leads to penalties and eventually DR resets.

It was just the one race afaik. I had a bunch of rough races before and was fed up from constantly getting penalties for overtaking the right way. It was a case of in the wrong place at the wrong time. I unloaded. I'm not proud of it. I can't say it will never happen again, yet that was an exception.

Then I guess the vigilante video was an ill timed exposure of the penalty system. There's seldom any need/opportunity to go after a wrecker as they usually wreck themselves. Besides that, it's a waste of draft boost. Opportunity knocked, I went for it.

@wtrain77 Perhaps one day we'll meet again under better circumstances. It's always fun to race with someone else through traffic and that usually goes without a hitch.

As expected, driving is a bit cleaner later in the evening. A nice string of penalty free races, still no mythical clean race bonus. There's always a draft bump in every race. Start fresh tomorrow, from SR 55, on a real track!
 
I am disappointed as well. It was the frustration of only getting worse races the higher my SR was getting. It shouldn't be like that. Anyway here's my pov. What set me off:

1:45 First penalty which I thought came from him bumping me.
1:50 That was my fault. I usually hug the inside there, shouldn't expect others to do the same.
2:20 I slow down and get bumped passed into the wall as result. Not his fault, yet adding to my frustration.
2:27 Same driver turns in on me, luckily no penalty.
3:37 Same drive swerves in the braking zone under braking into my path, can't avoid, penalty number two.
4:43 I get a mystery penalty, frustration building.
5:58 @wtrain77 turns into the corner as if I'm not there, penalty 4. My frustration level has reached critical mass.
6:23 I have to slow down for the other driver, but still leave space for traffic from behind.
6:41 Other driver hits the wall, messes me up, I get rammed by the car behind, screw up shifting and inadvertently punt the other driver.
7:51 ??? Teleporting car
8:48 I mess up, get 5 sec wall penalty, not thinking clearly anymore
9:18 Car in front brakes early, only place to go is inside, luckily he saw me coming
13:40 I lose my mind, go full GTA. See 15 sec penalties, a car responsible for 2 of them in front of me, I decide to go for SR.B.
15:53 Second punt, I hit him only on my screen odd, still the SR Down I was looking for.
Dunno why I bothered to scrub my penalties, as I said, wasn't thinking clearly.



You took revenge on a driver which you thought wronged you, but looking at that, didn't really? You blamed him for two penalties from what I can see.

First one at 1:45, which you tried moving right as he was holding the outside line and boxing you in, totally legit. Rather than lifting you try to force the issue, you bump the VW into the wall and you got a penalty.

1:50, at least you admit fault. It's not because he wasn't holding a tight inside line, it's that he was wide on the previous corner and understeered outwards a little. You didn't predict this and it cost you a little.

5:58, on his replay, he turns in late and wide, giving you more than enough room on the inside lane. In your replay, you can see you are understeering as you went in too fast for the tighter line. You had plenty of room on the inside to make that corner cleanly. You got yourself that penalty.

So with 3 contacts with him, you picked up 2 penalties and they could have been avoided with your own actions. And for that, you punt him hard...

Also, dodgy moves like 7:51 and the teleporting car. Once again, boxed in, but you tap both cars then drive into the wall gifting them penalties each. You tried that a number of times through the race, some more successful than others.

It's a shame as you have some really good moments and drive cleanly and well at some points in that race, and from what I have seen from you before.

I am Australian ( you are an elite driver, from New Zealand). I'm 65 years old, started GTS in November I think, I am hardly fast.

But ... the game encourages crashes. For yourself, you are surrounded by highly skilled drivers, who rarely make an error. If you go a level below, to the S boards with a mix of A+ and A and B drivers, there's a tonne of dirty tactics that happen because a driver feels entitled to bump a car in front in order to pass them, and having some skill, they'll avoid a penalty or even take a small one in order to attempt to destroy a driver in front. If you start on the front row, or the top 3, you hardly have such issues. And if you're fast, you gap the crashing drivers who live from the back of the field up to typically where the time gaps appear, let's say around 4th place.

The crash for gain issue is increased by the multiple account phenomenon. One can get lower rated drivers who are very fast, and they don't care about hurting others ... in fact it often seems to be fun for them. They smash by you, you gain a penalty, and then they drive away from you. Or they'll cop a penalty, open up a gap, and then when they choose, they'll get rid of their time penalty. I remember when PD said compulsory same lap penalty zones were going to be part of the normal on line race games. But its not happened. Why not?

Thank you for the compliment. Hardly would call myself elite though, I always look at it as, no matter how fast you are, there will always be someone out there faster. It's the race that never ends really...

Also, you may forget that we all start in the same place. I remember when I first got the game on launch, I was qualifying in the last 5 of the grid and considering a top 15 as a good result, while the likes of Brond (very fast Japanese driver) was setting record breaking times and I couldn't figure out how they were 5 seconds faster.

I do not believe the game encourages crashing. I may be surrounded by highly skilled drivers, but they do make errors, I certainly do! While they may be fast around a lap, only a handful know how to race and give racing room properly. The difference being is that none of them believe crashing gets you places.
Anyone who crashes regularly and deliberately do not end up at the sharp end of the field. It is one thing I learned straight away, and to get my DR up, I concentrated on finishing races as cleanly as possible. It wasn't until I was well into my hundreds of races that I picked up my first win, and that was largely due to the matchmaker dropping the competition. (Appears as though the matchmaker tries to run a mix from A+ DR downwards. When you hit A+, you may end up as the fastest driver in the field as you may only be matched by yourself or one other A+ driver. Before that, even in A rank, you will get matched with 2-3 A ranks, as well as 2-3 A+ ranks, so a lot more competition and most likely faster than you)

And the multiple account phenomenon is an interesting one. I consider myself a clean driver, I try my best to get home without a scratch or a dirty tire every time I head out to track. With A+ drivers as fast as myself, I know when they will brake and what line they will take. Therefore I know how to run side by side with them, or bumper to bumper, inches, without touching them.

But, put a B driver in front of me across the top of Mt Panorama, and I often can't help but tap them. Not trying to pass them, not doing any crazy moves, but just bump them all the time. The difference is they are braking in unpredictable places as that is their pace. So I imagine a fast driver coming through the field would find the same problem. Unintentional, but seems rude as they are 'the fast guy trying to barge on through'. Have learned now and sit around 1 second back until approaching a straight then close the gap for the draft and a clean pass. Costs me time? Sure, but if you can't pass cleanly, you shouldn't pass.

So I imagine if you put a couple of B or D rank drivers together, and they try to run close, they will bump each other, as one driver is faster on one corner and the other is faster in another, but overall, they lap at a very similar pace. Would seem like bedlam as they try to mimic close racing as seen on TV/Streaming/Life etc. May give the impression that crashing is the way to get ahead, where the drivers are stepping over their limit without realising.
 
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