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Mistah_MCA
Pinging @Lateralus5813 .

I just got the G923 the other day, and I've sunk about 2-3 hours into it so far. My previous wheel was the G29, so I'll be doing some comparisons between the two units. Visually, they're identical. A few logo switches on the wheel and pedal, and the G923 is now all black.
Once you start to use it, is when you start to feel the differences. We'll go with the pedals first.

Pedals
One of the problems with the G29 was how the brake pedal felt awkward to use. I found it to not have too much resistance, and some of the internal parts (I think it was the rubber stop or the spring) made pressing on it feel weird. Since this was my very first wheel, I got used to it right away, and didn't think much of it. With the G923, the brake pedal has been adjusted. It's stiffer now, and feels a bit more progressive. I'm still trying to get used to the increased resistance, as I keep easing off the brakes without realizing it, especially on a hard braking zone. :lol: So if in the next few weeks, you see me fly off the track, you'll know why. The throttle pedal looks to be adjusted as well; it's slightly less resistant, and at the same time, feels smoother to press down on. I have nothing to say about the clutch pedal, as I don't use it. So while I'll have to get used to the stiffer brake pedal, it still feels good to use.

Wheel
The moment I started driving with the G923, I started feeling the feedback right away. The car's engine now contributes to the feedback, and you can still get the feedback from the turns and such. The feedback does clash a little, so sometimes it might feel a bit hard to differentiate which feedback is from the engine, and which one is from the curb you just drove over. But can I just say, the feedback feels gooooooooooood. My hands were melting into the wheel; the feedback felt that good. This TrueForce stuff that Logitech was advertising before its release is not a joking matter. It felt that good to use. I felt a lot more immersed into the game. It's more immersive than the G29, but that's not to say that the G29 is bad. It's still a good wheel to start on if you're not looking to spend a trillion dollars on something like a Fanatec, you just don't get the "wow" factor from the G923's TrueForce feature.

It's going to be hard to say if this wheel will make me go faster. I would have loved to compare my times for the upcoming manufacturer race, but unfortunately, my G29 bit the dust last Sunday. I did get a 1:35.9 last night on Time Trial in the Viper, so I think I'm on par with my G29 pace at the moment.

Conclusion
So far, I'm enjoying the G923, more than I did with the G29. I will have to get used to the changes, but I'm sure I'll be just on pace or even better than my time with the G29.
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There is a g923 now? What is that?
 
Me and the boys trying not to SR Reset each other on Race A!
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suprajef
There is a g923 now? What is that?
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This bad boy right here.
 
Mistah_MCA
Pinging @Lateralus5813 .

I just got the G923 the other day, and I've sunk about 2-3 hours into it so far. My previous wheel was the G29, so I'll be doing some comparisons between the two units. Visually, they're identical. A few logo switches on the wheel and pedal, and the G923 is now all black.
Once you start to use it, is when you start to feel the differences. We'll go with the pedals first.

Pedals
One of the problems with the G29 was how the brake pedal felt awkward to use. I found it to not have too much resistance, and some of the internal parts (I think it was the rubber stop or the spring) made pressing on it feel weird. Since this was my very first wheel, I got used to it right away, and didn't think much of it. With the G923, the brake pedal has been adjusted. It's stiffer now, and feels a bit more progressive. I'm still trying to get used to the increased resistance, as I keep easing off the brakes without realizing it, especially on a hard braking zone. :lol: So if in the next few weeks, you see me fly off the track, you'll know why. The throttle pedal looks to be adjusted as well; it's slightly less resistant, and at the same time, feels smoother to press down on. I have nothing to say about the clutch pedal, as I don't use it. So while I'll have to get used to the stiffer brake pedal, it still feels good to use.

Wheel
The moment I started driving with the G923, I started feeling the feedback right away. The car's engine now contributes to the feedback, and you can still get the feedback from the turns and such. The feedback does clash a little, so sometimes it might feel a bit hard to differentiate which feedback is from the engine, and which one is from the curb you just drove over. But can I just say, the feedback feels gooooooooooood. My hands were melting into the wheel; the feedback felt that good. This TrueForce stuff that Logitech was advertising before its release is not a joking matter. It felt that good to use. I felt a lot more immersed into the game. It's more immersive than the G29, but that's not to say that the G29 is bad. It's still a good wheel to start on if you're not looking to spend a trillion dollars on something like a Fanatec, you just don't get the "wow" factor from the G923's TrueForce feature.

It's going to be hard to say if this wheel will make me go faster. I would have loved to compare my times for the upcoming manufacturer race, but unfortunately, my G29 bit the dust last Sunday. I did get a 1:35.9 last night on Time Trial in the Viper, so I think I'm on par with my G29 pace at the moment.

Conclusion
So far, I'm enjoying the G923, more than I did with the G29. I will have to get used to the changes, but I'm sure I'll be just on pace or even better than my time with the G29.
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Thanks for taking the time to write this down :cheers:

I'm still debating whether buying it or not, for one the price here is $597 converted. The other thing that bothers me is that I play on the couch, so I would have to invest in some kind of support too. The initial cost might be too high.
 
Lateralus5813
Thanks for taking the time to write this down :cheers:

I'm still debating whether buying it or not, for one the price here is $597 converted. The other thing that bothers me is that I play on the couch, so I would have to invest in some kind of support too. The initial cost might be too high.
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When I started I was using my G29 in the couch. Our coffee table was just tall enough to make that work if I raised it about 2 inches (you weren't going to read those books anyway :p).

Biggest issue is getting the pedals to stay put. We have a fairly shaggy mat so the built in stoppers worked fine for me.

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That graph looks like he's trying to spell something out :D
 
GOTMAXPOWER
I just entered the DR D / SR E race C at Brands Hatch and came up against this chap with the most impressive SR history graph I've ever seen: https://www.kudosprime.com/gts/stats.php?profile=2625514
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Lateralus5813
Thanks for taking the time to write this down :cheers:

I'm still debating whether buying it or not, for one the price here is $597 converted. The other thing that bothers me is that I play on the couch, so I would have to invest in some kind of support too. The initial cost might be too high.
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I use my wheel on a stand & pull it up to my couch. Works fine for me.

kungtotte_
When I started I was using my G29 in the couch. Our coffee table was just tall enough to make that work if I raised it about 2 inches (you weren't going to read those books anyway :p).

Biggest issue is getting the pedals to stay put. We have a fairly shaggy mat so the built in stoppers worked fine for me.
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I bought both my wheel & stand on Amazon. It doesn’t weigh too much & I can move it away from the couch when I’m done. Just a thought.
 
Random thought. I posted in the Ran Turismo thread about new cars I'd like to see. In which, I mentioned the MINI Challenge race cars. Which, I brought up the MINI VGT.

I'd like to see a One Make Daily or Nations race with those cars.

A friend showed a link on his feed and had me think about some of the categories on this list below. A Cobra One Make would also be a cool thing.
https://motorrace.com.au/event/2020-round-6-rerun/

Edit: Was clean until right at the line. 4th bumps 2nd into me and I hit the wall. Cost me 2nd place. Exited the room with time to jump in Race B. Good stuff.
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Was on P1 at least three times today before the pitstops but failed to keep the lead each time. Is it me or there are more punty-pushy people on weekends than on weekdays?
Was pushed on the straight by someone and pushed him back in the following turn. 3s penalty was definitely worth it. I managed to caught up with a suddenly dense group of 5 leaders on the last lap. One guy got pushed on Stirlings and another received a 4s penalty for this. This helped me jump to P4 from P6 and to finish just 3s behind the leader. Fun drive.
 
Yeah, day of the week and time of day seems to make a lot of difference. Mondays are usually terrible because people don't bother learning the track before racing it seems, so you have way more offs and reckless driving. Tue-Thu was absolutely fine for me in the evenings (20:00 CEST->22:00 CEST, give or take), but the one afternoon race I did during those days was awful.

Yesterday (Friday) evening was 50/50. One terrible race and one good race, though people were pretty pushy even in the good race although not to the point of actually ramming anyone off.

This pattern repeats itself pretty much every week.
 
cosme
Was on P1 at least three times today before the pitstops but failed to keep the lead each time. Is it me or there are more punty-pushy people on weekends than on weekdays?
Was pushed on the straight by someone and pushed him back in the following turn. 3s penalty was definitely worth it. I managed to caught up with a suddenly dense group of 5 leaders on the last lap. One guy got pushed on Stirlings and another received a 4s penalty for this. This helped me jump to P4 from P6 and to finish just 3s behind the leader. Fun drive.
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In that Race B, one player just used us
as their brake, crutch, door man, all that. Dropped me down from A/S to A/B. We all had a stab at punting it off. I got a penalty and wound up last. Drove back up and helped another player knock it off track for good. Ridiculous.

Got in another one. Made sure to qualify. Clean clean race'. P2 had a qualy 0.100s faster than me. Good start and use three at the top, bolted.

P2 was a bit slidey and using a gear lower in the corners and kept feathering the throttle. I just stayed smooth and got pasting Lap 3. Nearly got FL. Missed by a tenth.
 
GOTMAXPOWER
I just entered the DR D / SR E race C at Brands Hatch and came up against this chap with the most impressive SR history graph I've ever seen: https://www.kudosprime.com/gts/stats.php?profile=2625514

He didn't get another free win that race :gtpflag:
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Thank you so very much for reminding us EMEA players about that idiot, you're too kind, sir! :lol:
And how this individual's PSN account and Playstation hasn't been banned yet for terrorizing other players must be one of the great mysteries of our time.:yuck:👎

kungtotte_
That graph looks like he's trying to spell something out :D
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I'm not wearing my reading glasses, but if I squint I think it says "Beware of my very severe mental disorder!"
 
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A very general question, but still maybe someone can help. What is the better way to practice for Race C? Two ways of doing this I can't choose between:

1. Practicing on your own in qualification
Pros:
  • No pressure
  • No other players
Cons:
  • No tire wear and no fuel in the car makes it feel different when compared to an actual race
2. Practicing in the race itself
Pros:
  • Tire wear and fuel tank weight simulated
  • Can be more fun
Cons:
  • Other players and unfair penalties will frustrate you
I am now getting swallowed up by the pack almost every time either after my mistakes or after some people's bad behaviour. Can't do anything with the latter but the former needs some work. Trying to beat your time in time trial is very different to driving a 13-laps race with pace and without any drastic errors. How can I improve my consistency?
 
100% practice solo.

In order to practice consistency, race line, references (brake/turn-in/apex/track-out), how far you can push the track limits without penalties etc. should all be practiced in a calm, solo environment that's 100% predictable.

Once you know the track and your way around it, then you add the other stuff. How long until you feel the tyre wear, what corners to overtake in, where to defend hard.

You can't practice consistency in race. I can get each lap to within 0.5 sec offline, but with traffic and fighting for position that goes out the window.

Just looking at Brands this week the only times I've ever braked at my actual reference points is when I've been in clean air with seconds to the car in front. Any other time I'm braking way early.

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I don't bother testing fuel/tyre strats for dailies, because I'll be running the same race all week. I'll look at @Mistah_MCA for a rough idea, but I'll just figure it out as I go. For FIA races I'll work that stuff out beforehand though since they're one-offs.
 
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Adding to @kungtotte_ s excellent advice let me just add that if you expect to be able to run the same lines in race as in Free Practice then you are going to be the one other drivers are annoyed by.
In race you adapt constantly, you plan and prepare and execute.
Remember the best way to pass is not by out braking the opponent but by getting a better run out of a corner and pass on the straight before next corner.

Also check out the link in my signature for when you have corner rights
 
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cosme
A very general question, but still maybe someone can help. What is the better way to practice for Race C? Two ways of doing this I can't choose between:

1. Practicing on your own in qualification
Pros:
  • No pressure
  • No other players
Cons:
  • No tire wear and no fuel in the car makes it feel different when compared to an actual race
2. Practicing in the race itself
Pros:
  • Tire wear and fuel tank weight simulated
  • Can be more fun
Cons:
  • Other players and unfair penalties will frustrate you
I am now getting swallowed up by the pack almost every time either after my mistakes or after some people's bad behaviour. Can't do anything with the latter but the former needs some work. Trying to beat your time in time trial is very different to driving a 13-laps race with pace and without any drastic errors. How can I improve my consistency?
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I would always go for option 2, you can learn from what other people are doing as well as from your own driving. Driving solo sometimes you're not sure what you're doing wrong other than your laptime is ****, having other cars around you shows where they are pulling away and where you are stronger.
 
cosme
A very general question, but still maybe someone can help. What is the better way to practice for Race C? Two ways of doing this I can't choose between:

1. Practicing on your own in qualification
Pros:
  • No pressure
  • No other players
Cons:
  • No tire wear and no fuel in the car makes it feel different when compared to an actual race
2. Practicing in the race itself
Pros:
  • Tire wear and fuel tank weight simulated
  • Can be more fun
Cons:
  • Other players and unfair penalties will frustrate you
I am now getting swallowed up by the pack almost every time either after my mistakes or after some people's bad behaviour. Can't do anything with the latter but the former needs some work. Trying to beat your time in time trial is very different to driving a 13-laps race with pace and without any drastic errors. How can I improve my consistency?
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No 2 is the best option.

You were in a few races with me today, and you always started much further up the grid than me (so your pace is obviously good), but I think I always finished ahead of you (so your consistency is poor).

Brands is a track where consistency is key, but the problem is you need to be quite aggressive with the track in order to keep up a good lap time - too aggressive though, and you will lose time or go off! You can learn by watching other drivers, but also know when to give in and let them pass when pushed from behind. It's amazing how many times you let someone through, only to see them go off further round the lap!

I ran two races yesterday, started 4th each time, but won them both - didn't overtake one car though in either race, just watched those in front go off on their own, or take one another out.

Good luck! :gtpflag:
 
cosme
A very general question, but still maybe someone can help. What is the better way to practice for Race C? Two ways of doing this I can't choose between:

1. Practicing on your own in qualification
Pros:
  • No pressure
  • No other players
Cons:
  • No tire wear and no fuel in the car makes it feel different when compared to an actual race
2. Practicing in the race itself
Pros:
  • Tire wear and fuel tank weight simulated
  • Can be more fun
Cons:
  • Other players and unfair penalties will frustrate you
I am now getting swallowed up by the pack almost every time either after my mistakes or after some people's bad behaviour. Can't do anything with the latter but the former needs some work. Trying to beat your time in time trial is very different to driving a 13-laps race with pace and without any drastic errors. How can I improve my consistency?
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I’m going to be in the minority here & suggest option 1. Let me rephrase that: practice the track. You need to know the track & know the cars well in order to race effectively. You will like certain cars better than others. As you continue to drive in the game, find one that you can drive with the most confidence, then drive the tracks on your own. Once you know the right way around each track & their nuances, you can then prepare for other drivers on the track. Forget trying to simulate the tire wear & fuel burn until you learn the tracks.
 
NoStopN
I’m going to be in the minority here & suggest option 1. Let me rephrase that: practice the track. You need to know the track & know the cars well in order to race effectively. You will like certain cars better than others. As you continue to drive in the game, find one that you can drive with the most confidence, then drive the tracks on your own. Once you know the right way around each track & their nuances, you can then prepare for other drivers on the track. Forget trying to simulate the tire wear & fuel burn until you learn the tracks.
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:lol: I just posted something similar in the FIA thread.👍

There's also nothing wrong with "not getting it". Real racers have their bogey tracks. Some have difficulty with certain types of cars.

With many racers, if they know the car, learning a track they haven't been to, makes gaining experience a bit easier.
 
Jason885
Have tried, tried and tried again and again, I just cannot keep Mr an FR cars on the track without slowing right down even with high TCS.
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Start by driving slow. Drive half speed if you must.

Here's a real world lap. I've immersed myself if plenty racing videos to copy the lines they use. There are members here, that post guides on how to drive tracks in GT Sport. I watch real races to prepare how how to drive my car and place it where I should be on track.


 
kungtotte_
Yeah the penalties are a joke.

I bumped someone going into Druids and got a 1 sec penalty for it. He didn't lose any positions at all and his line through the corner was completely unaffected. SR down, sure, but a 1s for that when ramming someone off track intentionally nets you 4s?
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I got a 2 second penalty the other day because someone took a wide line through the last corner in front of me and then decided to pit by pulling across the whole width of the track and simultaneously jamming the brakes on. :confused: Of course I demolished them into the pit wall, but come on that's the clearest brake check in the world, and I thought the penalty system was supposed to penalize those?
 
I've been enjoying Race C this week,it's been especially good for recovering DR/SR that I lost after returning to the game a few weeks back and got reset from A+/S to D/E within 3 races, one because of clumsy contact & the other two because of just flat out dirtbags.

That being said, the bane of my existence all week has been slower drivers, that started in the midfield, that don't get the hell out of the way sooner when i clearly come out of the pits next to/slightly behind them.

I don't expect people to just hit the brakes and get out the way, but seriously why the hell are these people fighting ridiculously hard to keep me from getting by, often meaning I have to put myself on the outside super risky position to get by & then they straight up just squeeze me off the circuit & never get penalised.

it's been driving me crazy, it infuriates me that PD are so lazy they have no real way for useful suggestions and community feedback to get through to them which likely could've eliminated these types of issues by now, even if it's just a slight audio notification stating that a driver coming out the pits is on an alternate strategy & racing the guys at the front, not him.
 
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