"Daily" Race Discussion [Archive]

[crusselz]

So I have a question about Race C this week. At both turn 1 and the hairpin at the top of the hill I am routinely making overtakes. My technique is generally to get a superior run into the straight and use that plus the slipstream to pull alongside the car in front. This is usually on the inside line, but sometimes I take the outside.

If on the inside (and at least level with the car) I brake slightly early, hit the apex and leave room on the outside on exit. After my most recent race someone told me I need to learn to overtake properly after they needed to take the outside line through turn 1.

My understanding is I’m driving clean, but I am interested in whether that’s the general view. I don’t want to be seen as a dive bomber so please let me know if this would qualify as a dive.

Sounds like fair overtakes to me. Maybe next race you do, save the replay and post a video.

Easy to comment if you do have any clips. But often someone who doesn't yield in an obvious situation, in their desperation to remain ahead, will make a mistake and accuse you of being a dirty driver.

EDIT: A quick example. I over cooked it in to the corner. But both drivers "yielded" to the car on the inside and tried cut backs. Reckless on my part, but hopefully not dirty (open to being corrected on that)



EDIT 2: @NevilleNobody if you're side by side, surely you expect room to be left and likewise you need to leave room, both on entry and exit of the corner. Unless you've edged ahead through the corner.

 

[NevilleNobody]

If on the inside (and at least level with the car) I brake slightly early, hit the apex and leave room on the outside on exit. After my most recent race someone told me I need to learn to overtake properly after they needed to take the outside line through turn 1.

If you have sufficient overlap, and "side by side" sounds like you do, you do not even have to leave space on the outside, you have won rights to the corner. If you are a little further back, say at the C-pillar or right on the bumper, yeah you need to brake early and make the apex very tight so other driver can take a wide line.

My 2c

 

[OJBrit]

EDIT: A quick example. I over cooked it in to the corner. But both drivers "yielded" to the car on the inside and tried cut backs. Reckless on my part, but hopefully not dirty (open to being corrected on that)

An oppertunistic gamble that paid off with a beautiful execution. In real life that's a handshake moment.

If you have sufficient overlap, and "side by side" sounds like you do, you do not even have to leave space on the outside, you have won rights to the corner.

Yes and no. It is really corner dependant. On a sharp corner then yes, pretty much; though if they can hang it around the outside over the marbles and dust with a higher speed then they can contest. But it's rare. There are plenty of more open corners you can go side by side through without cutting them off because 'you have the corner'. Think of a few years ago at the Korean GP. Webber and Rosberg (I think) went side by side through pretty much most of sector 2. Mostly fast sweepers but there is 1 sharper right which they still raced sucessfully side by side through. Fantastic racing.

 

[NoStopN]

So I have a question about Race C this week. At both turn 1 and the hairpin at the top of the hill I am routinely making overtakes. My technique is generally to get a superior run into the straight and use that plus the slipstream to pull alongside the car in front. This is usually on the inside line, but sometimes I take the outside.

If on the inside (and at least level with the car) I brake slightly early, hit the apex and leave room on the outside on exit. After my most recent race someone told me I need to learn to overtake properly after they needed to take the outside line through turn 1.

My understanding is I’m driving clean, but I am interested in whether that’s the general view. I don’t want to be seen as a dive bomber so please let me know if this would qualify as a dive.

From your description, that is textbook brake zone overtaking. In reality, as long as you didn't make contact, the other driver really can't complain. They got out-driven, plain & simple.

 

[BalsBrother]

So I have a question about Race C this week. At both turn 1 and the hairpin at the top of the hill I am routinely making overtakes. My technique is generally to get a superior run into the straight and use that plus the slipstream to pull alongside the car in front. This is usually on the inside line, but sometimes I take the outside.

If on the inside (and at least level with the car) I brake slightly early, hit the apex and leave room on the outside on exit. After my most recent race someone told me I need to learn to overtake properly after they needed to take the outside line through turn 1.

My understanding is I’m driving clean, but I am interested in whether that’s the general view. I don’t want to be seen as a dive bomber so please let me know if this would qualify as a dive.

As I have mentioned elsewhere if you dont hit or otherwise impede the car you are overtaking it's a clean pass in my book.

Then again some folks really don't like you overtaking and will call you dirty even if you are on the other side of the track. Then you get the folks who really really dislike folks overtaking and will just put you off the track regardless of how you try to overtake.

I race an Italian who falls into the last category quite regularly. He / she is a fast driver and get the fastest lap in a race quite often but they seem to have anger issues when folks overtake them.

I have got the a run through the last corner onto the straight in this weeks race C on them a couple of times. Didn't need the slipstream so was on other side of track. As soon as I got level with them they were straight across to side swipe me. First time it worked and spun me out. Second time I was waiting, slowed enough to ghost and they hit the grass on the left and spun out. Of course I was the dirty driver in post race chat, yeah ghosting is apparently dirty driving now.

I really don't understand folks like that and generally just think of them as toddlers having a tantrum because things didn't go as they wanted.

 

[Groundfish]

All you need to do when taking the inside on most turns is stay nose to nose or very very slightly ahead before turning in to the apex.
It’s good to be right next to your opponent too.
You stay alongside, effectively cutting off their ability to turn in because you are there. This places you in position to get on the gas before them on exit. If you do it correctly there’s literally nothing they can do, no reason to slow way way down and hold inside and leave space-you are passing and going to get back on the racing line on exit.

You DONT want to go all the way past them before turn in. Then they will get a better run on exit.
Use patience and be smart.

You only need to leave space if you TRY to take the inside but they get their nose ahead around you outside turning in. In those cases you hold side by side.

Basically if you have won the corner properly there is nothing they can do. No need to slow and leave space. If they are turned in nosed ahead you better leave a cars width on the outside!
Done right, clearly cleanly, blocking off all the opponents options by being in their way at turn in its checkmate, they have no option except fall in behind.
Imo that’s how you wanna overtake, you do it leaving no doubt, asserting control over the space.



Re side by side I always do everything possible to avoid it because it loses waay too much time...Of course sometimes you have to if you want to keep your position.
The best overtakes are very seemless, establish position, back onto racing line and up to speed immediately. In this way losing little time.

Edit, if you are a D C low B driver the best way to overtake in many lobbies will be just maintaining speed on the racing line. Most players at that level haven’t seen very many apexes up close lol

 

[RacingGrandpa]

So I have a question about Race C this week. At both turn 1 and the hairpin at the top of the hill I am routinely making overtakes. My technique is generally to get a superior run into the straight and use that plus the slipstream to pull alongside the car in front. This is usually on the inside line, but sometimes I take the outside.

If on the inside (and at least level with the car) I brake slightly early, hit the apex and leave room on the outside on exit. After my most recent race someone told me I need to learn to overtake properly after they needed to take the outside line through turn 1.

My understanding is I’m driving clean, but I am interested in whether that’s the general view. I don’t want to be seen as a dive bomber so please let me know if this would qualify as a dive.

That's clean. That's the way to make a text book pass on the inside.

 

[Rexracer702]

Edit, if you are a D C low B driver the best way to overtake in many lobbies will be just maintaining speed on the racing line. Most players at that level haven’t seen very many apexes up close lol

You see that a lot when racing from the back, even with B and sometimes A drivers. The cars that qualify at the back often brake too deep, slide past the apex and then recover. If you bide your time, lift and brake gently going in, late apex, then when they slide past the apex you're already on the gas and you squirt right by on the inside. they're trying not to go off the outside and they're down 5mph plus at the start of the straight. No way they catch you. The real racing might not start until well within the top ten...unless you have blockers...

 

[Mc_Yavel]

Tried the MR-2 this morning on Race A. It only took two races to switch back to the Clio. Clio is way more easy to drive. It was already the popular choice yesterday but I wanted to give the MR-2 a chance since I like racing it in one-make Race A some times ago.

Also race at Sardenia with the Vantage. Fighting with others to not finish last. Someone behind me with a better exit brush me into the wall losing some speed and all the cars following did the same. Lost 5 places in the process.

In the following race, I was fighting with a Lexus for pretty much all the race and manage this nice overtake

Did race c tonight, was good fun except for the pushing and shoving, I will never understand trying to pass through the late lap left hander before the final left hander. Its an awkward turn, one line...why you nudging me? Just follow me and pass me on the massive long straight.

ikr, this is the hardest corner of the track, it's hard to get right all time and all drivers go trough it differently. The speed difference between people is huge. I always keep my distance with the car infront of me there.

So I have a question about Race C this week. At both turn 1 and the hairpin at the top of the hill I am routinely making overtakes. My technique is generally to get a superior run into the straight and use that plus the slipstream to pull alongside the car in front. This is usually on the inside line, but sometimes I take the outside.

If on the inside (and at least level with the car) I brake slightly early, hit the apex and leave room on the outside on exit. After my most recent race someone told me I need to learn to overtake properly after they needed to take the outside line through turn 1.

My understanding is I’m driving clean, but I am interested in whether that’s the general view. I don’t want to be seen as a dive bomber so please let me know if this would qualify as a dive.

I tend to do the same, but keeping the inside line and leaving room on the outside slows you a lot. Maybe the guys expected you to go on the outside line on the exit so he could do a cut back.

 

[ii_Biggles_ii]

So I have a question about Race C this week. At both turn 1 and the hairpin at the top of the hill I am routinely making overtakes. My technique is generally to get a superior run into the straight and use that plus the slipstream to pull alongside the car in front. This is usually on the inside line, but sometimes I take the outside.

If on the inside (and at least level with the car) I brake slightly early, hit the apex and leave room on the outside on exit. After my most recent race someone told me I need to learn to overtake properly after they needed to take the outside line through turn 1.

My understanding is I’m driving clean, but I am interested in whether that’s the general view. I don’t want to be seen as a dive bomber so please let me know if this would qualify as a dive.

I have been out braking people for the last 2 days into these 2 corners and no one has complained after about it in chat so you seem to have just gotten and idiot who doesn't like been passed as has been pointed out in lots of replies. So many miss the braking point and continue into the gravel at turn one. I have switched back to the Alfa C4 and will take on all comers in a braking contest in it as I have used it so much, I still behave if not alongside but you are always watching you mirrors for someone behind.

 

[ii_Biggles_ii]

After a battle with both the Corvette and Vantage I have gone for the Alfa C4 in race C as it is so easy on tyres and so much fun to drive. The other 2 cars I enjoyed for a bit but found them a bit of a handful on worn tyres. Ran 7 laps on softs starting from 3rd in the Alfa after taking the lead just at the last corner on the first lap when the guy in 1st ran wide, never looked back after that and got a nice unexpected win as I expected the C4 to be a little slow.

Who's racing at RBR? not sure if I want to jump in there, is it very messy?

 

[Winnie847]

I get confused when I see allegedly clean drivers talk about things like having “the right to a corner” because they are on the inside and the nose of their car is ahead. You don’t own the whole corner when you’re ahead, you own the apex. If your opponent on the outside manages to brake later and still maintains some overlap upon turn-in and throughout the apex, you still have to leave room on the outside for his car...because his car is a physical object that is still there. The way I read this is that some people just power out of the corner and take the wider exit line and expect their opponent on the outside to lift and tuck in behind, because the inside guy believes he won the right to the whole track. Am I interpreting this wrong? Or do some of you really drive like that? The only time I do that is if I have zero respect for the person on the outside. Even if all they have is a nose of overlap, their car is still there, and space must be given. I’ve never really understood the whole “corner rights” claims. Unless you are completely past your opponent, you should always leave space even if they are on the outside. I’ve earned many overtakes by holding the outside line with only a little overlap, which compromises the line of the inside guy and leaves an opportunity to pass on the following straight or the next corner. I think it’s a pretty weird and even ironic take (given the who), to think that having overlap on the inside somehow grants you the entire width of track as your own on exit. Maybe I’m wrong.

 

[redbullfix]

I get confused when I see allegedly clean drivers talk about things like having “the right to a corner”

You will find more space given in A lobbies, where the goal is ABC (always be clean)
B lobbies, can be a bit "Hit and miss"

 

[Winnie847]

You will find more space given in A lobbies, where the goal is ABC (always be clean)
B lobbies, can be a bit "Hit and miss"

well yeah, I’m aware of what actually happens, I’m just talking about what should happen.

 

[Barra333]

I get confused when I see allegedly clean drivers talk about things like having “the right to a corner” because they are on the inside and the nose of their car is ahead. You don’t own the whole corner when you’re ahead, you own the apex. If your opponent on the outside manages to brake later and still maintains some overlap upon turn-in and throughout the apex, you still have to leave room on the outside for his car...because his car is a physical object that is still there. The way I read this is that some people just power out of the corner and take the wider exit line and expect their opponent on the outside to lift and tuck in behind, because the inside guy believes he won the right to the whole track. Am I interpreting this wrong? Or do some of you really drive like that? The only time I do that is if I have zero respect for the person on the outside. Even if all they have is a nose of overlap, their car is still there, and space must be given. I’ve never really understood the whole “corner rights” claims. Unless you are completely past your opponent, you should always leave space even if they are on the outside. I’ve earned many overtakes by holding the outside line with only a little overlap, which compromises the line of the inside guy and leaves an opportunity to pass on the following straight or the next corner. I think it’s a pretty weird and even ironic take (given the who), to think that having overlap on the inside somehow grants you the entire width of track as your own on exit. Maybe I’m wrong.

I agree - I'm under the impression that if there is overlap, then there needs to be a car width left for your opponent (regardless of who is trying to make the pass). Just because you got alongside on the inside to make the apex doesn't give you the right to run out to the rumble strips on corner exit, unless the other guy has given up the fight.

The one thing I'm still getting used to in this respect is the representation of the cars in the radar. It would be nice if the top/bottom of the arrows reflected the position of the respective front/rear bumpers. A couple of times I've almost caused problems because my arrow was clear of the other guys but the car wasn't.

 

[O604]

I get confused when I see allegedly clean drivers talk about things like having “the right to a corner” because they are on the inside and the nose of their car is ahead. You don’t own the whole corner when you’re ahead, you own the apex. If your opponent on the outside manages to brake later and still maintains some overlap upon turn-in and throughout the apex, you still have to leave room on the outside for his car...because his car is a physical object that is still there. The way I read this is that some people just power out of the corner and take the wider exit line and expect their opponent on the outside to lift and tuck in behind, because the inside guy believes he won the right to the whole track. Am I interpreting this wrong? Or do some of you really drive like that? The only time I do that is if I have zero respect for the person on the outside. Even if all they have is a nose of overlap, their car is still there, and space must be given. I’ve never really understood the whole “corner rights” claims. Unless you are completely past your opponent, you should always leave space even if they are on the outside. I’ve earned many overtakes by holding the outside line with only a little overlap, which compromises the line of the inside guy and leaves an opportunity to pass on the following straight or the next corner. I think it’s a pretty weird and even ironic take (given the who), to think that having overlap on the inside somehow grants you the entire width of track as your own on exit. Maybe I’m wrong.

That's probably the reason fault is so difficult to get right. Even for a computer. To think our feeble human minds could see everything while driving is ludicrous.

 

[NevilleNobody]

I don't think you can go out to the rumble strip but if you are already there with a nose in front before the apex, i don't see a need to take a super tight exit from the inside, you can power out at somewhat of an angle rather than as square as you would if you came from further back.

The corner in question, I did a lot of racing there last night and I had a real mix, sometimes I passed on the inside, sometimes I had the inside but the other guy took the wide line and powered out with a cleaner exit, sometimes I was the outside guy that got the cleaner exit. I was actually surprised how clean it all was, it's the next series of corners that tend to cause the grief as they are tough to go two wide and eventually someone gets squeezed as the track narrows.

The video posted above, Aston vs Lexus, to me that is fine even though he ran a bit wide on exit. If he exits too much tighter he is no hope, will get re-passed every time.

 

[Redneckchef]

This idea of not leaving room on the outside of a corner on exit and running them wide because you are ahead at apex is a load of cow dung. Last year we had a Gr3 race at Sardegna B and I was able to make plenty of passes on the OUTSIDE of turn 1. And almost always I had the speed to have a better exit due to a smoother line through there. However people often took the idea of @NevilleNobody that since they were on the inside and I was directly alongside at apex that they owned the track and would start pushing me off. Garbage.

Proper racing on the outside often involves holding the line to make sure your opponent cant open the steering and is compromised by a tighter exit. That is one of the reasons your racing guru Bentley talks about aiming to pass on the straights, or before the corner as the tight side by side exit costs you both.

Sounds like a load of people driving dirty trying to keep the idea that they are clean by manipulating words and arbitrary goalposts

 

[NevilleNobody]

Where did i say run people off? I said no need to take a super tight line. The pass above, you good with it or not?

Here's one of mine at a notorious corner, this is what I am kinda talking about. I leave him space but I still exit on somewhat of an arc, I am not absolutely exiting "square" but he has enough room to my left (though he binned it). I was really edgy here too as there is a notoriously dirty high B, low A driver in this group.

Go to 6.20

 

[Pigems]

It’s pretty simple. If there is a car beside you, you leave room, regardless of where you are on the track. 👍

 

[Winnie847]

To be fair, Neville’s follow-up comment sounds much more reasonable to me than the original. Perhaps I just interpreted it wrong. If I’m the inside guy and my nose is ahead, I’m still going to run as wide as possible on exit without hitting the car on the outside, the objective being to leave space but also optimize my line as much as possible without pushing the outside car off track. I do encounter drivers who try to do that to me often when I race from the backfield. They cover the inside well enough, but I know I have the pace to outbrake them around the outside so I try to hang it round there...and they have none of it, put me in the grass or gravel and later claim they had the right to the racing line on exit because they held the inside...which I think is nonsense.

Actually T1 at Sardegna is one of the best corners to pull off an outside pass. I guess it’s the camber that still allows for maintaining good speed through there, but I’ve pulled off many overtakes in that spot.

 

[Winnie847]

Where did i say run people off? I said no need to take a super tight line. The pass above, you good with it or not?

This was your first comment that had me scratching my head, but if you claim you leave space then I believe you.

“If you have sufficient overlap, and "side by side" sounds like you do, you do not even have to leave space on the outside, you have won rights to the corner.”

 

[ii_Biggles_ii]

This idea of not leaving room on the outside of a corner on exit and running them wide because you are ahead at apex is a load of cow dung. Last year we had a Gr3 race at Sardegna B and I was able to make plenty of passes on the OUTSIDE of turn 1. And almost always I had the speed to have a better exit due to a smoother line through there. However people often took the idea of @NevilleNobody that since they were on the inside and I was directly alongside at apex that they owned the track and would start pushing me off. Garbage.

Proper racing on the outside often involves holding the line to make sure your opponent cant open the steering and is compromised by a tighter exit. That is one of the reasons your racing guru Bentley talks about aiming to pass on the straights, or before the corner as the tight side by side exit costs you both.

Sounds like a load of people driving dirty trying to keep the idea that they are clean by manipulating words and arbitrary goalposts

I agree with you on this, part of the skills of racing is to always be aware of the cars you are battling with for the space on the track. I have always tried to keep my line on the left side of the track in turn 1 if the car I'm doing battle with is still alongside me through the corner, then it becomes a race through the next few kinks before the "S" bends. I have both gained and lost positions on both inside and outside. Unfortunately I have also been run wide on both sides which is not racing. I don't think you can ever win or own the corner in close racing. I have just had a few good close races and exchanged positions a few times over 2 laps with 2 guys and no real contact at all with everyone aware of the space that they should leave.

I would take a different view if well ahead leading into a corner where there is not the line or space for side by side and close the door if someone is attempting an impossible manoeuvre from too far back as you have nowhere to go, this is all too common since the penalty system changed where they use you as a brake.

 

[NevilleNobody]

This was your first comment that had me scratching my head, but if you claim you leave space then I believe you.

“If you have sufficient overlap, and "side by side" sounds like you do, you do not even have to leave space on the outside, you have won rights to the corner.”

Ok same video above, next lap after the corner i reference, I get the Jag absolutely fair and square into T1. I take a wideish exit but there is just absolutely no way to pass there taking a tight line, you wil get murdered down the next straight. You can see from his car's body language that he has effectively conceded the corner. I do not run him wide, he sorta manages that himself, but the nature f that corner, to me, it was a clean pass.

Before the final turn I take a wide line, go sorta side by side but I yield to avoid contact and taking the high line helped me into T1 so I felt we raced fairly.

 

[Winnie847]

Ok same video above, next lap after the corner i reference, I get the Jag absolutely fair and square into T1. I take a wideish exit but there is just absolutely no way to pass there taking a tight line, you wil get murdered down the next straight. You can see from his car's body language that he has effectively conceded the corner. I do not run him wide, he sorta manages that himself, but the nature f that corner, to me, it was a clean pass.

Before the final turn I take a wide line, go sorta side by side but I yield to avoid contact and taking the high line helped me into T1 so I felt we raced fairly.

can't watch any videos right now (at work) but I will give it a look tonight when I'm home.

 

[Redneckchef]

@NevilleNobody your first comment on not leaving someone room is very easily interpreted to mean "run the sod off." In the video you showed you easily left room. None of us are saying you have to give them the whole track, but by saying leave room we mean you are giving us a solid cars width at the narrowest on exit.

If you're still doing that and consider it not leaving room then I'm all good with it. Makes for good racing to use all the track.

 

[foolsgold74]

The one thing I'm still getting used to in this respect is the representation of the cars in the radar. It would be nice if the top/bottom of the arrows reflected the position of the respective front/rear bumpers. A couple of times I've almost caused problems because my arrow was clear of the other guys but the car wasn't

This.

Why not use rectangles instead of arrows? I'd find that far more useful.

 

[baygencos]

If this new penalty system is permanent, then at least turn the damages on!

 

[Little_Guppy]

You see that a lot when racing from the back, even with B and sometimes A drivers. The cars that qualify at the back often brake too deep, slide past the apex and then recover. If you bide your time, lift and brake gently going in, late apex, then when they slide past the apex you're already on the gas and you squirt right by on the inside. they're trying not to go off the outside and they're down 5mph plus at the start of the straight. No way they catch you. The real racing might not start until well within the top ten...unless you have blockers...

@Rexracer702, hey, watch it, that's me your talking about! <note> Can you guys really read what I am thinking? </note>

Seriously, that was the December/January me . It's hard to believe that early braking is faster as it is so counter intuitive. I still struggle when to use it but now I know how to do it. @Groundfish has been advocating it, @D_Dragline is effectively doing that in his earlier Sardegna post.

Ask yourself some questions.

• Are you an A or B driver?
• Have you mostly plateaued?
• Are your quall times approaching 2-ish % from the top?
• Are you mostly hard braking? That is, hit your marks, full-on-braking, downshift-like-mad then pray to hit the apex?

If the above describes you it means you are fast but will no longer find the second-a-lap gain because all of those gains are exhausted. At your already high level you need to find the "tenths" and modulated braking can help you get there.

It is hard. You will both undershoot and overshoot. It will take more than one or 10 laps to get it working. It the beginning your times will be worse.

First, there are still places where you can apply 100% braking and it OK to just punch it. For example it is OK at T2 at RBR but not T3 and I am not sure why. Most times, though, a throttle lift before and a firm application of the brakes works better. Releasing the brakes sooner more slowly is always better and I don't know of an exception.

I learned the techniques at Gr1/Hybrid/Spa/Audi week and tire-saving/RaceC/Gr4/LagunaSeca/FF week. The technique applied at two totally different combos because it is largely universal to racing. It was truly a revelation when I could use 70% braking and then guide the car into the apex at the right speed and angle ready for an exit. Then I started to see my mini sector times start to improve - that was amazing.

The input and coaching came from this board.

Modulated braking has many applications:

• Better exit speeds,
• Tire saving,
• Hybrid Recharging

are but a few. Now, I want to determine how to best utilize it when head to head competing for a corner, ala the @D_Dragline experience previously.

Modulated braking is not critical for new drivers but it is never too soon to add good new tools to the toolbag. For beginners there are bigger gains to be found in consistency, car selection, turn in points, brake points, not panicking when going side-by-side and the like.

 

[triebs2]

Last night I had 6 B/S Daily Race A races at Lake Maggiore. (I am a mid B driver at best).
First 5 races I got run off track several times:
Once by a vigilante who was mad at me for ramming him off the start T1. He was apparently unaware that I had been rammed into him myself by someone who hit the brakes late. Spun out, 10 second delay.
Once by a driver who was bumping doors with other drivers and was apparently offended that I took the opportunity to pass him cleanly on the right. He left his line, turned, and slammed full on into my door and knocked me into a wall. 10 second delay.
Once by a driver who was apparently offended that I was faster than him (recovering from one of those 10 second delays) and determined that I should be knocked off the track on the long straight so that he could maintain 8th place. One knock, I survived. Second hit, survived. Third hit, he knocked me off and into the wall. Another 10 second delay.
Other than the vigilante incident, I had zero contact or disputes with any of these drivers before they killed me. And I am not even getting into the probably accidental bumper cars incidents you expect.
So you can imagine I was a bit frustrated.
Then I ended the night with an absolutely brilliant, fun, 3-lap battle with two other drivers for third place. Complete respect, no jostling, passing each other at different opportunities. Finished a couple of tenths apart. It completely made up for the previous two hours of horror and is why I continue to participate in dailies.