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D_Dragline
If you need to pit, use mediums for a lap. The small amount of time you lose for the tyre change will be more than made up for by your improved speed on the softer compound.

The one stop can be competitive if you are starting near the front (which you will be with that qualy time) and get away from the pack early. The biggest challenge comes from finding good places to overtake the fuel savers on lap 2.
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So I did this strategy this morning, Q2 and hit the pits for hards and fuel with a 10 second lead. Came out in 8th and could only get back up to 3rd. Good gain of DR ~800, but still not very satisfying.
 
not been the week for me. awful on race B. slow qualifying and not any better in the race. race A has been kind of fun, if maybe a touch random. may give that another go, or just wait and and see what what next week brings.
 
After a few tries without qualifying I tuned into Starship Trooper by Yes and set a 4:54.698 for Race A, and it got me my first ever pole! And then also my first ever win! I've only entered 33 Sport races so I'm pretty chuffed. :D And now I've moved up to DR C! :dopey:
I'll have to try and at least squeeze a few more pole starts out of that this week, even if I don't win another.
 
So in case my last post about the dirty trick was unclear this is it.
This is a commonly used underhanded cheater move, but it won’t bring the penalty very often because it’s minor contact. First the position of the cars, then the Supra in car.
You can see he is trying to “flick the rear” of my Mustang into a little slide so when braking starts I will overshoot and he can pass with what I would call some type of dirty crossover.
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I see this move a lot when dirty high ranks want to move through a car they perceive as slower.
It shows a complete lack of honor, a total lack of respect for ones competitor, and is a pathetic petty move lowlife drivers use.
It wasn’t and will never be tolerated by me.
When this move failed, and I defended the final turn lap 2, he “turned up the heat”
and decided to go full team ramrod...
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This did not end well for “Farva” the dirty A plus rammer...Too bad so sad!

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Groundfish
Good evening friends,

I just joined daily race B, you know, the Toyota GR Supra one make at Dragon Trail Seaside?`
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If you see The Revengal again, he can race, you can 100pc trust him, super clean.

Beetle to me is underrated, you can nab spots because the stabilty and strength under brakes let's you sneak in as guys are wrestling their supra. It's particularly quick through the corkscrew through larini.
 
There is nothing more scary than trying a new car in Seaside and haven't nailed the chicane of death before the race in the 8 or so minutes between races. Also, a race is never lost or won before the chicane. Also, I managed to somehow set a lap 1.5 seconds faster than my Quali lap, granted it was a crap quali time and some tow, still a little ludicrous.

The Supra is definitely the go to car for quali pace it seems from what I can tell, but definitely I see a lot of people struggling to tame it in race condition. I am sticking with the RCZ as it is a lot more "ram proof". Had too many races where people either stick their elbows out too much.

This track though does lack a bit of overtaking opportunities, I was stuck behind a guy in a Supra for most of the race, he struggled to get much pace out of it with getting out of corners a little sketchy, but he placed his car well so that I can't really capitalize his loose driving until final lap just before the chicane, all i could do is a side by side into the death zone. Since we were 1 and 2, and I had better chance of "death", discretion that race was the better part of valour; a mistake from either would had been literal death for one of us.
 
BEBOP_Bill
I'm sorry race "A" Friends, I will be spending most of my time in race "C" this week. The Nordschleife is calling. I actually refer fuel strategy races to tire. Adjusting fuel mapping mid race to take advantage of different race situations as they happen is lot of fun. It can be a pretty intense race but the Lamborghini has been serving me well.

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NevilleNobody
If you see The Revengal again, he can race, you can 100pc trust him, super clean.

Beetle to me is underrated, you can nab spots because the stabilty and strength under brakes let's you sneak in as guys are wrestling their supra. It's particularly quick through the corkscrew through larini.
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Yeah, but the Beetles... so annoying to race against. The noise, and the fact that they make speed in such weird places (and don't in others... can wreak havoc in these sprints when people want to get around NOW.)

I agree with your assessment of the named player there... have raced a bunch with him and has always raced hard and fair. Contrary to the name (kind of like me/mine, I guess?!).

Larini... is that the hard right at the back, near the end of the first sector? I always wanted a name for that one, that makes sense! Good idea.
 
NevilleNobody
If you see The Revengal again, he can race, you can 100pc trust him, super clean.
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Yes, raced him before. Standup guy.
I saw you message pre race as we were on the back of the grid there checking out the 35 times up front.
I think I laughed and said I got this.
You were like Revengel is clean Revengel is clean.
I never initiate contact to try to get ahead against stand up guys.




The beetle is a good car for many, but the Mustang can take it on the straight like I did last night against that e guy.
 
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Groundfish
You were like Revengel is clean Revengel is clean.
I never initiate contact to try to get ahead against stand up guys.
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Stuff happens though, let's say he got a run on you and you tangle a bit turn 1, was a heads up he wouldn't have meant it. Cos i know you take no prisoners once you've been given the elbows!

And those rooms! 35's to p10 or something, like come on guys you gotta be kidding me. There's 3 south americans line astern from the same league and they smash everyone like the Marlboro commodores in the early 80's.

Kosmo, seaside a lack of passing opportunities? Man, to me it's one of the easiest, it is REALLY hard to defend there. The last corner is VERY conducive to lining up a guy into the corkscrew, there's not much you can do if a guy gets a good tow on you. Then there is into the final turn because the COD usually offers opportunities even if just a slight wiggle. Then there's the end of the esses, easier to defend there but it does compromise your exit and the better drivers know to go a bit deep and take a wider, higher exit.
 
NevilleNobody
Stuff happens though, let's say he got a run on you and you tangle a bit turn 1, was a heads up he wouldn't have meant it. Cos i know you take no prisoners once you've been given the elbows!

And those rooms! 35's to p10 or something, like come on guys you gotta be kidding me. There's 3 south americans line astern from the same league and they smash everyone like the Marlboro commodores in the early 80's.

Kosmo, seaside a lack of passing opportunities? Man, to me it's one of the easiest, it is REALLY hard to defend there. The last corner is VERY conducive to lining up a guy into the corkscrew, there's not much you can do if a guy gets a good tow on you. Then there is into the final turn because the COD usually offers opportunities even if just a slight wiggle. Then there's the end of the esses, easier to defend there but it does compromise your exit and the better drivers know to go a bit deep and take a wider, higher exit.
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I didn't say that! ...DTS is one of the best race tracks period, including for passing, even in the short Race B's... I've had great success there. I struggle a bit in the last turn, but the hard hairpin at the coastline is very easy to set people up for (you start it on the entry to the esses at the start of Sector 2... nail that and you can be sure to pull someone up the hill, draft past them down it, and outbrake them at the turn. Worst case, you do the switchback if you establish position but can't out-brake them). You can, on occasion, get a nice run off Larini as well, and close the door before the esses begin after the kink, too.

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There's aliens, then there's @GOTMAXPOWER ...doing what he does. It's like Kate Beckinsdale. She's so pretty, can't be compared to others. Just in another world, another thing altogether.
 
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I noticed last night that the cars felt very lively but grippy on the wheel. In race with the train going and the high speeds attainable in tow the car really felt like it was alive in the ffb and handling.
I noticed it and I think it was really affecting everyone because many Supra’s were losing it.
The Supra is an excellent car, but it doesn’t tolerate hamfisted driving. I was watching the in cockpit of an alien in the race on replay and it’s just amazing how little input he was giving and how slow and smooth through the COD and elsewhere. 36 flat in race, such a nice line.
I will say also you can tell everything about another driver if he is attacking and you move into an early fair defensive position towards the inside of the next turn/brake zone.
The best drivers realize this is the initial stage of control which they are exerting and try to take advantage of the fact they have compromised your line by getting a run.
It’s funny but in this game there’s a fair number of highly ranked players that take anyone trying to defend against them as some form of insult.
I can only assume all they have done is thousands of hours of Gran Turismo and never paid attention to real racing.
It’s pathetic on a track as wide open as Seaside to do what was done to me above.
Re qual. I don’t think I’m going to use the Supra or really put more effort in until my time starts to put me around much slower drivers who have outqualified themselves.
I like lurking in the back or midpack there’s lots of action on Seaside.
I’m not a huge Nurb guy personally.
 
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Sorry wrong user Kosmo!

Groundfish, yeah defense is a legit part of racing. I am a very firm defender but I do pick a line really early. Now you need to make a call, can you get by on the outside for a pass or do you need to take a later, higher apex to try for a run through the next sequence? What you won't do is undercut me as I hug the apex, drives folks insane at seaside hairpin or Bathurst Turn 2 as they expect I will mess it up but no, stick to that inside line baby.
 
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Respect to all of you who are running the N24 fuel saving race. I have not figured it out.

I have time trialed it with decent success but no race success. I am using FM2 and using about 60% of the power bar and modifying that depending on the gear, uphill/downhill, twisty bits, or start of a straight. I can finish the race with <= 1% fuel so I am not leaving any in the tank. In the races I can't keep close to get a slip and then I get banged around by chargers... all very messy.

Fuel saving is new for me. Short-shifted on a few C races but never used the fuel map. The biggest challenge is that the braking points are later and its leading me to lower corner speeds which is double bad as it both slows you and wastes fuel getting back up to speed.

My best finish was P3 when I didn't know when I didn't understand that I was in fuel saving race and used he one-stop counter strategy. That was a bit of "beginners luck".

EDIT: My next approach is to stay on FM1, watch the fuel gauge % and just rely on short shift and throttle control.

Any advice appreciated.
 
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KosmoKazi
The Supra seems VERY sensitive to managing the tire temperatures. My first lap is my fastest, as soon as you overdrive it at all it does fall apart.
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It definitely seems like even though there’s no tire wear in race B that there’s still some temp effects. I wonder also if time of day in sport mode changes grip levels some too by track temp...
I haven’t tried the Supra but in the Mustang if you can be smooth and slow enough winding into corners without being a bit too quick on steering and squealing the tires it can corner waaay better.
For me, I need to be following a train of aliens or even using the driving line and cones to really lock in to the potential.
The grip in this game is a little like pulling a string.
If you pull it very gently at first slowly adding tension until it finally snaps it’s stronger than if you pull it apart swiftly.

Edit I also want to remind you @NevilleNobody that the hard brake tight right hander that comes before the entrance to COD, turn 8? I think that it’s been renamed “THE SNORKEL”
2 reasons, lots of diving there and it’s actually snorkel shaped.
That guy above tried to wipe me out entering the snorkel but I had other ideas.

Edit if I do c race I’m going no conservation just rm lap 1 max aggression pit then rh. Get past as many as possible on the GP...
 
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There absolutely is a temperature effect with tires, separate and in addition to the wear effect. You can feel it distinctly with the Supra, but it's always a factor. You can see the red outline or even blue outline (SSRX, on the fronts) when they go outside of a performance window, but I suspect the gradient is much more than just cold/ok/hot as indicated on the display... I suspect it's a somewhat serviceable but dumbed-down tire model with input from Michelin (as noted in the game).

That diff on the Supra seems to really work the outside tire, because I noticed on my second lap, the left rear was outlined in red just before I lost it coming out of Larini... so while that awesome diff tune on the car makes it feel oh so good, it also means you have to drive it within limits because it will overwork the tires on exit if you abuse it.
 
KosmoKazi
There absolutely is a temperature effect with tires, separate and in addition to the wear effect. You can feel it distinctly with the Supra, but it's always a factor. You can see the red outline or even blue outline (SSRX, on the fronts) when they go outside of a performance window, but I suspect the gradient is much more than just cold/ok/hot as indicated on the display... I suspect it's a somewhat serviceable but dumbed-down tire model with input from Michelin (as noted in the game).
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I think you’re right. I notice on the Mustang, in the right left sequence approaching COD, if I am too aggressive with steering angle and squeal, she doesn’t wanna turn in leftward through the COD as well as if I get the entry before smoother.
You can feel in the ffb when the tires get too hot.
I’m gonna start calling you NIKI COSMO.


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Had a day off from work and ran some races on Dragon Trail this afternoon. The afternoon races seem more aggressive to me. Lots of door banging and off tracks, but they still had a good pace and flow. I ran off in the first lap of my first race, recovered and finished 5th. I did get punted from the aftermath of a punt behind me later in the afternoon and that made me be too aggressive myself to get some spots back. Which only contributed to the controlled chaos. I still had a fun time trying to fight back. There was also a good variety of cars and not everyone in the Supra which made for some good racing.

I also gained myself 1300 DR points so that’s cool, and I’m ever so close to 20K DR! I should have it by the end of the week barring any disastrous results.
 
Race A couple minutes ago...
While i was passing the leader he decides to push me to the pit. I'm quick to blast and immediately i push him to the left side wall, unfortunately there was another player left of him smashed to the wall, we all collide... All 12 people were spinning at the finish line.
I am still laughing. :)
 
Race A is really dumb but kind of fun in a nothing happens, then madness, then nothing happens again for a bit, then complete madness - kind of way.

Managed a 0.017 victory and a couple of other podiums.
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Actual proper bona fide oval racing would be great. Not sure Blue Moon Bay or Northern Isle quite cut the mustard. Strange that Indianapolis dropped out of GT?

Edit: I know, no stripes, don't @ me! I zig when others zag:lol:
 
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Redneckchef
After my nightmare run at FIA last night today I had some runs in daily A in the Americas today. Been good as I got to race with @BenRod and @KosmoKazi plus a couple of other familiar faces. Pretty much good solid racing with no dirty stuff. Feels good to cleanse the system like that and see friends on track.:gtpflag:
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How did I never know your PSN ID before?! Yeah nice seeing you out there. Too bad I was not expecting that no-show starting second in our race... ruined me before I got to third gear! Oh well. It’s a fun race. I’ll hit some more before the week is over!
 
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