Death Of The G25 Power Shift

[ken2903]

I'm ok with it now.

I was a little upset for a day or two but only because i was used to not lifting off the accelerator. These aren't race cars, they don't get a new clutch for every race, their gearbox's are built to last (relatively) and flat shifting is just not something that could be done as often as we were doing it before the update. Sure, you could do it a few times maybe, then the clutch would start to slip and either lose all its 'grab' and you'd be out of the race, or it would go 'bang' and you'd be out of the race.
As sucky as it would seem, without the ability to damage the cars and clutches specifically, it is more realistic to be lifting off when changing gears, in unmodified road cars at least.

After using it for a few weeks i can't see a huge disadvantage anyway. There is a chance of missing a gear that the people using other wheels and controllers don't have but thats the same with the clutch anyway. I don't bother with the drifting but i can imagine the problems there, still, with a few exceptions these are road cards and would not stand up to that kind of treatment for long without braking and until they can brake, its far more realistic to lift off. It doesn't feel any slower to me, though its not really possible to make a direct comparison with the grip physics being so better than pre-update.

Too me, it feels like something thats been done in preparation for future changes to the game (damage etc..) and if thats the case, its better for it to be done now than later.

 

[RedSuinit]

WOOHOO! Even playing fields again! But, in all seriousness it does suck that so many spent money on the G25 and now can't use the advantage that they had.

Luke

 

[Jay]

Greycap, Maffski, as I said before, the problem wasn't that G25 users had an advantage, it was that controller users were still stuck with the game's default granny shifting. Balancing the playing field is not worth making G25 clutch engagement picky and unintuitive. Adding a clutch button to the controller or speeding up the default shift rate are the solutions any company in their right mind would have considered.

Actually dispite what everyone seems to be saying that G25 has no advantage now, that is not true, powershifting (no lifting) didn't give all that much more of a advatage in the first place (besides more reliable shifts) the real advantage was you could shift much quicker than the games default granny shift.

If you are quick with the liftoff you still have the same advantage with the G25 now, shifts are almost instant (don't have to wait for the revs to drop to match vehicle speed, like GT's default shifts do, just have to lift)


I did test a while ago the differences in Powershifting and very quickshifting in GT5P to see if Powershifting gave a advantage over the very fast quickshifts, I noticed almost nothing.

 

[RedSuinit]

Actually dispite what everyone seems to be saying that G25 has no advantage now, that is not true, powershifting (no lifting) didn't give all that much more of a advatage in the first place (besides more reliable shifts) the real advantage was you could shift much quicker than the games default granny shift.

If you are quick with the liftoff you still have the same advantage with the G25 now, shifts are almost instant (don't have to wait for the revs to drop to match vehicle speed, like GT's default shifts do, just have to lift)


I did test a while ago the differences in Powershifting and very quickshifting in GT5P to see if Powershifting gave a advantage over the very fast quickshifts, I noticed almost nothing.

Yes but doing that requires, more skill and practice; therefore, there are some than no longer have that advantage.

Luke

 

[Jay]

Yes but doing that requires, more skill and practice; therefore, there are some than no longer have that advantage.

Luke

Well yes, much easier to missshift doing lightning quickshifts and it only takes one to ruin much more than any advantage you ever got.


But you said earlier that is must suck so many people but the G25 and now don't have the advantage, wether we do or don't have an advantage in shift speed (we do) doesn't matter to me, driving with the clutch and H pattern shift increases my enjoyment thus that is all I care about.

 

[thugbear2005]

Yes but doing that requires, more skill and practice; therefore, there are some than no longer have that advantage.

Luke

Isn't this a good thing? The people who know how to drive have an advantage over the people that don't, verses people with money having an advantage.

 

[RedSuinit]

Isn't this a good thing? The people who know how to drive have an advantage over the people that don't, verses people with money having an advantage.

It is a good thing indeed, ah fair play, it's a beautiful smell is it not? I was just saying that those who spent a lot of money on the G25 for that advantage (mainly for the GT Academy) don't have that anymore. While I love it, and it levels the playing feild again, I still feel a little sorry for them.

Luke

 

[Jay]

I was just saying that those who spent a lot of money on the G25 for that advantage (mainly for the GT Academy) don't have that anymore. While I love it, and it levels the playing feild again, I still feel a little sorry for them.

Luke

Well then they bought the G25 for all the wrong reasons.

 

[RedSuinit]

Well then they bought the G25 for all the wrong reasons.

Agreed, but I never said otherwise.

Luke

 

[The-BNA]

I would have liked the powershift in there. Except you should be able to use it for races, or clutch damage should be implemented. They can get overheated like in GTR2.

 

[DriifterX]

Well then they bought the G25 for all the wrong reasons.

Im probably not alone here saying that I didnt buy the G25 because it offered any kind of racing advantage. I purchased it because it is amazing quality for the price of it, and it has 3 pedals, meaning clutch kicks and a more realistic racing experience can be had. Now the PD have made shifting less realistic isnt cool, but if you did buy it just to flat shift and get an 'advantage' - Fail

 

[MustangSVT]

WOOHOO! Even playing fields again! But, in all seriousness it does suck that so many spent money on the G25 and now can't use the advantage that they had.

Luke

Flat shifting shouldn't be allowed. LFS doesn't allow it and the same goes for GT5P.

If someone bought a G25 just for flatshifting, then that's pretty stupid because the point of the wheel is to try and be realistic and flat shifting is NOT realistic.

 

[RoboKrikit]

Sadly then I think it is the end of your GT5P clutch days, personally I don't think they will fix it..... UNLESS G25 or G25 sequal gets officially supported.

G25 is officially supported. It is listed in the GT5 instruction manual as a supported wheel.

 

[Wolfe]

Flat shifting shouldn't be allowed. LFS doesn't allow it...

Since when? If you have a G25 and the clutch enabled, that's it, you have complete control over the clutch. If the car stalls or the clutch slips, it's all on you. When they changed the flywheel weights of the cars I had to get used to waiting a bit longer for the engine to rev down before letting out the clutch and reapplying throttle, or else the clutch would slip as the engine was pulled down to the RPM for the next gear.

flat shifting is NOT realistic.

We are just talking about keeping the throttle floored while you put the clutch in and shift, aren't we? How can it be unrealistic when it's possible in the real world? It's not the healthiest thing to do to your car, but that's what part wear/damage is for.

 

[Jay]

G25 is officially supported. It is listed in the GT5 instruction manual as a supported wheel.

Not that I have seen (PAL), but I will take another look when I play it again (assuming in-game manual), plus it can't be officially supported if you can't change any settings like all the other wheels and controllers (without pretending it is a DFP).

 

[ilovethescudo]

So is this like an online update or whats going on here?

 

[H3rmaN]

So is this like an online update or whats going on here?

This is from the August 1st update.

Also I have noticed its worse with certain cars. In the F40 I have much more mis-shifts (mainly when going into 2nd) than with the Mine's R34 GT-R.

 

[RoboKrikit]

Not that I have seen (PAL), but I will take another look when I play it again (assuming in-game manual), plus it can't be officially supported if you can't change any settings like all the other wheels and controllers (without pretending it is a DFP).

It is listed on page 10 of my paper manual under "COMPATIBLE CONTROLLERS".

 

[MustangSVT]

Since when? If you have a G25 and the clutch enabled, that's it, you have complete control over the clutch. If the car stalls or the clutch slips, it's all on you. When they changed the flywheel weights of the cars I had to get used to waiting a bit longer for the engine to rev down before letting out the clutch and reapplying throttle, or else the clutch would slip as the engine was pulled down to the RPM for the next gear.


We are just talking about keeping the throttle floored while you put the clutch in and shift, aren't we? How can it be unrealistic when it's possible in the real world? It's not the healthiest thing to do to your car, but that's what part wear/damage is for.

Which is why it shouldn't be allowed if they don't have damage implemented. I guess I didn't express myself well enough. In LFS you can definetely flat shift if you want to do so, but it'll definetely hurt the car a LOT, especially the open wheelers and dedicated race cars. A lot of races in LFS are also longer (15-25 laps), and after a few laps of flat shifting, your clutch will definetely be done and you're basically out of the race. Since GT5P doesn't have damage, flat shifting shouldn't even be allowed, since it's cheating without having the damage.

 

[ken2903]

Which is why it shouldn't be allowed if they don't have damage implemented. I guess I didn't express myself well enough. In LFS you can definetely flat shift if you want to do so, but it'll definetely hurt the car a LOT, especially the open wheelers and dedicated race cars. A lot of races in LFS are also longer (15-25 laps), and after a few laps of flat shifting, your clutch will definetely be done and you're basically out of the race. Since GT5P doesn't have damage, flat shifting shouldn't even be allowed, since it's cheating without having the damage.

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[nissan tuner]

but if the autoclutch wasn't this bad then there wouldn't be a problem, right?

 

[Wolfe]

That's what I think. Everyone should have the ability (or at least the option) of shifting as quickly as the G25 can.

 

[FUNKED1]

I'm selling the PS3 on eBay and binning GT5. Beyond graphics, PD has no clue about realism.

 

[ken2903]

^^^ bye

 

[nissan tuner]

That's what I think. Everyone should have the ability (or at least the option) of shifting as quickly as the G25 can.

And then it hit me, an adjustable auto clutch.

I'm selling the PS3 on eBay and binning GT5. Beyond graphics, PD has no clue about realism.

How much?

 

[Jay]

It is listed on page 10 of my paper manual under "COMPATIBLE CONTROLLERS".

A late reply but I just remembered about this.


Checking my paper manual again there is still no mention of the G25 listed in the PAL manual, infact there is no "Compatible controllers" section at all, I do recall when the Spec II update contents was listed in on the SCEA Gran Turismo website (prior to the update) they did list G25 compatiblity, but it was removed along with those extra cars in the car list.