DFP - even better than Driving Force, pretty different, too

[nismo4life]

you know, the DFP isn't only good for GT4....i Love the damn thing, and that goes for NFS:U2, Pro Race Driver, Pro Race Driver 2, Tokyo Xtreme Racer Zero and 3....i have no complaints...except that i almost flip the tv dinner table i mounted it to....

 

[Omnis]

I find the DFP is severely unrealistic and flimsy for me. the pedals always feel like they're going to snap. i have huge feet, so those retarded pedals are absolutely ridiculous. The feedback is also dumb, and my tablemate that i mount it to is not static. the wheel wiggles around as I drive. it's really annoying.

anyway, i'd rather just not bother with the DFP. I use the DS2, as GT4 has more or less become jaded for me after conquering it.

 

[Slippery]

I actually can't play in 200 degree mode. I end up going from side to side struggling to keep a straight line.

900 degree is perfect in my opinion. It offers more control over your car. It can be confusing at first, not knowing where the wheels are point at from just holding the wheel, but then it becomes second nature.

 

[niky]

I think 900 degrees is perfect. I've played with a 360 degree wheel, and I never used more than a few degrees each direction. Getting a stable line was a pain!

In RL, driving on the track and in the twisties (eherm, don't try it at home kinda stuff...), I rarely ever use more than 45-50 degrees of steering (on a 900 degree wheel). Any more means you're already ****ed.

 

[romanryunin]

romanryunin, u must have an inordinate amount of difficulty with GT4, i remeber you havein a winge on RSC forum about there being too much understeer as well.

mate all i have to say on this topic is that you have to get a feel for the charecteristics of the wheel and in turn how each car responds to your input. all 700 cars handle diferently and require different levels of turning and handleing.

there should not be a need to turn the wheel more than 45 degrees in any direction (even on the rally stages). the 900 degrees allows for more acurate input than a 200 degree wheel.

yeah you probably wont get full lock on the wheel, unless you have a nasty off, but thats not the point of using the entire 900 degrees.

as to that winge in that other thread about understeer being to prominant in all cars in GT4, well it's just the same in real life with all cars......


I would like to point out that i do use a DFP and i find it to bring an entirely new element to the game that i didn't feel when i borrowed my mate old DF wheel.

thank you, i sorted out the understeer problem - mainly it was my inadequate technique and DFP is beginning to make sense and on regular tracks I have absolutely no problem with it any more - more precise, i make less mistakes than with DF and get better lap times - yesterday was just a shock - because i remembered i tried the wheel in a shop some time ago and it felt totally natural, but that was only one minute with a very very slow car on Nordshliefe

 

[romanryunin]

Today everything is cool with the wheel. I learned how to turn it, I set up the FF to my liking and Audi R8 feels normal now. I was just too used to my old DF. But I guess I will use it for dirt tracks and snow where you can turn it hard and easily without worrying about its price. The whining noises DFP does at dirt tracks in 900 mode make me nervous.

BTW what is wrong with crossing hands? WHen you don't have to turn the wheel more than three quarters (like in F1), I suppose it is best to keep the hands in the default position, I mean 3 and 9 or clock. Thats' what F1 drivers do, never changing position of the hands so of course, at some bends their hands cross a little when they use the full lock.

 

[prisonermonkeys]

You should probably start the game over again. Yes, it can be taxing and at times boring, but if you persevere and do the licences and early races all over again with the DFP you'll learn to drive with it properly. It was the same for me when I started GT4 (though I don't have a DFP). I was so used to playing GT2 that I tried to play 4 the same way I'd play it's older brother which obviously didn't work. Eventually I got into the groove of it and it became almost second nature (I don't play enough to be One with the Game). When I went back to GT2 jsut to see what it would be like, I sucked.

 

[Duke]

I find the DFP is severely unrealistic and flimsy for me. the pedals always feel like they're going to snap. i have huge feet, so those retarded pedals are absolutely ridiculous. The feedback is also dumb, and my tablemate that i mount it to is not static. the wheel wiggles around as I drive. it's really annoying.

anyway, i'd rather just not bother with the DFP. I use the DS2, as GT4 has more or less become jaded for me after conquering it.

I guarantee that this will absolutely murder any possible enjoyment of driving with the wheel, and it's not the wheel's fault.

When I got the Momo with GT3, it felt the same way - flimsy, impossible to control, unresponsive. I had it set up on a rickety TV table, in poor driving position. I used it a couple days and it's been in the attic ever since.

Then GT4 came out, and while the DS2 felt natural in GT3, it feels very poor to me in GT4. So I took the plunge and bought a DFP. This time I knew I would hate it unless it was solidly and comfortably mounted, so I rigged up a very stable but inexpensive little platform before I ever tried to drive with it.

That made all the difference in the world - it took me less than a day to get used to the DFP and I can't imagine going back now.

 

[xXSilencerXx]

Don't base your buy on this idiot though. 900 degree is better. I think this kid doesn't even drive yet.

So why is he an idiot for saying that he dosen't like the DFP and is asking for so advice on some techniques on how to use it well. You are the idiot who just making spam in this thread. I don't have a DFP because I am saving for a car and I don't see enough results that it is so great that I need to buy it. The top time on Nurburgring was done with a DS2 and I've seen a replay in the photomode thread of a lap time of 4'48.xxx with a fully modded Minolta with a DS2.

 

[romanryunin]

So why is he an idiot for saying that he dosen't like the DFP and is asking for so advice on some techniques on how to use it well. You are the idiot who just making spam in this thread. I don't have a DFP because I am saving for a car and I don't see enough results that it is so great that I need to buy it. The top time on Nurburgring was done with a DS2 and I've seen a replay in the photomode thread of a lap time of 4'48.xxx with a fully modded Minolta with a DS2.

yeah, it's interesting that DS2 is not slower, that's good news for ppl who don't care about wheels

i am going to change the title if still possible because my first impressions were based on the way i drove with DF and of course, you have to find new techniques with DFP

interesting that this thread has not been closed

 

[-Cheezman-]

I have to say, the DFP sucks at the moment, I mean it works great... but after a little bit of use, the thing starts having problems, all I hear about these things is "It broke", which is true, my brother spent $150 on this thing, we used it, a few months later, the wheel no longer locks, the gears are messed up, and of course, Logitech claims "It's not covered under the warentee".

Before you say anything. We DID NOT abuse the wheel, and we only used it with GT4. We kept it locked on a table and it never moved, we didn't take it apart until WAY after it broke. So there no reason why it should have stopped working.

 

[Div is back]

That's why I took a warranty from my dealership for 1 year.

 

[Werner Winkels]

I dont like the DFP anymore.

The Force Feedback effects are not bat, but the 900 degree of rotation is to much for me

Current I drive with a modified Momo Force Wheel (red)
The steering range is extended from original 280 to 320 degree of rotation .

I think this is better to controll a skidding Car by Drifting

This is a Photo of my Momo Mod.