Differences between NISMO 400R and 400R Prece(i)ding Model

[m2595]

What are the differences between these two models? I'm asking because they look very similar to me.

 

[Epic B]

What are the differences between these two models? I'm asking because they look very similar to me.

They're basically the same car, save that the regular one can be sold for 30K, the Preceding Model for 20. The Preceding Model can't except a race mod like the regular one.

 

[jeffgoddin]

Had a minute tonight and wanted something to do with GT2, so thanks for the question.

Same stock wheels (225/45R17), same stock suspension and ride height, same engine and powerband, same weight, horsepower and dimensions, same gear ratios, but different stock redline.

400R has an AT shift point of about 8150 RPMs, while the Preceiding model has a shift point of about 7650 RPMs. Notice the powerband for these cars peaks well below this, at 6500 RPMs, and drops quickly after that. So, if you're driving manual and are mindful of the powerband, these are the same cars (except the 400R gets the Race Mod and an extra 2 hp fully tuned.) But if you're driving automatic, the Preceiding model is actually faster, by a full half second over 1000m stock for example.

Edit: try these cars stock with just Medium Slicks at the Super Touring Car Trophy 591hp race at Midfield. If the RUF shows up, you probably have little chance of winning, but you can win against the Viper/Supra/Corvette. But it will be so close that if you're driving AT, you can see the difference between the 400R and the Preceiding model (which is maybe 1 second faster per lap.) If you can get through the final hairpin in first, be prepared to block the Viper down the straight to the finish... exciting race!

Edit 2: as a further aside, try these cars also, still with medium slicks, at the 2nd and 3rd GT Euro races at Grand Valley and Rome after you do stage 1 weight reduction. TVR's and RUF's give good competition. Then do stage 2 weight reduction and try the GT Pacific 2nd and 3rd events at Seattle and Laguna Seca for more great racing, this time against Vipers and NSX's. Extremely close racing, sometimes have to give a little love tap to get on the inside through the final corners to win.

 

[Tornado]

This is literally something I've been wondering about for 10 years now. You've done a service jeffgoddin.

 

[Parnelli Bone]

Had a minute tonight and wanted something to do with GT2, so thanks for the question.

Same stock wheels (225/45R17), same stock suspension and ride height, same engine and powerband, same weight, horsepower and dimensions, same gear ratios, but different stock redline.

400R has an AT shift point of about 8150 RPMs, while the Preceiding model has a shift point of about 7650 RPMs. Notice the powerband for these cars peaks well below this, at 6500 RPMs, and drops quickly after that. So, if you're driving manual and are mindful of the powerband, these are the same cars (except the 400R gets the Race Mod and an extra 2 hp fully tuned.) But if you're driving automatic, the Preceiding model is actually faster, by a full half second over 1000m stock for example.

Edit: try these cars stock with just Medium Slicks at the Super Touring Car Trophy 591hp race at Midfield. If the RUF shows up, you probably have little chance of winning, but you can win against the Viper/Supra/Corvette. But it will be so close that if you're driving AT, you can see the difference between the 400R and the Preceiding model (which is maybe 1 second faster per lap.) If you can get through the final hairpin in first, be prepared to block the Viper down the straight to the finish... exciting race!

Edit 2: as a further aside, try these cars also, still with medium slicks, at the 2nd and 3rd GT Euro races at Grand Valley and Rome after you do stage 1 weight reduction. TVR's and RUF's give good competition. Then do stage 2 weight reduction and try the GT Pacific 2nd and 3rd events at Seattle and Laguna Seca for more great racing, this time against Vipers and NSX's. Extremely close racing, sometimes have to give a little love tap to get on the inside through the final corners to win.

You're the new me, jeff. I used to often be the one to delve into details like this for GT2, it was Pupik before me. Now you're carrying the torch.

 

[niklavs97]

The only difference is - 400R is a piece of S**T!!! The Preceiding model is a great car. The 400R always spins like it would be FR. But I like the preceiding model.

 

[AMCNUT]

The only difference is - 400R is a piece of S**T!!! The Preceiding model is a great car. The 400R always spins like it would be FR. But I like the preceiding model.

I never found the two to be radically different. Until jeffgoddin pointed out the redline thing I thought it was just a naming glitch on PD's part. They drive the exact same handling-wise.

Although as I recall, one was easier to win than the other because one of them was a random prize car from the N/A or turbo series. Is this right or am I thinking of something else?

 

[jeffgoddin]

No, you're right. The Preceiding (sp) 400R is easily won at the 2nd 4WD event, and the 400R '97 is won randomly at any of the tuned turbo events. And as long as I'm chiming in here again, I'll say one more thing that came out of new testing for the Skyline comparo. Fully tuned, the redline issue that initially hampers the 400R (and makes the Preceiding model better near stock) now becomes a good thing. Adding more power shifts the powerband up, and so the Preceiding model runs out of revs just as full power is coming on, while the 400R can put the extra 500 rpms it gets to good use finally. In short, near stock the Preceiding model is faster, and fully tuned the 400R is faster.

 

[AMCNUT]

Man, you really are a guru when it comes to Skylines and GT2! 👍 Keep it up! Any other amazing revelations you discovered during your testing?

 

[jeffgoddin]

Well, you'll get the full story soon-ish. Still have the racing Skylines and a couple of Mine's and the R34 GT-R and V-Spec to do, so I'm 80% done.

But as a teaser, I'll say another interesting thing about the 400R's... they have amazingly low ride heights, 105mm stock. With pro suspension and dropped to the minimum they are practically scraping the tarmac! The only other non-racing Skyline which is as low is the R33 LM Road Car, all the others are at least 25mm higher (Tommykairas) and the rest 30mm higher or more. The only other car in GT2 I've found which sits as low straight stock is the Mini Cooper, with the V8 Vantage at 110mm a close second, and a couple of tuner cars at 115mm. Lower center of gravity = better cornering!

Another interesting thing about the R33 LM Road Car. Most 4WD Skylines ride on 225/45 R17 tires. Most FR Skylines are on 205/50 R16 tires (KPGC10 huge exception, 185/60 R13's!) But the FR R33 LM Road Car rides on huge 245/45 R19 tires! I'll go into more detail in the comparo thread, but this is one crazy Skyline to drive, you can totally feel how different it is from the normal production models.