DLC Pricing Policies - your thoughts?

[mekonrider]

I think a more viable option would be dropping pack selling and letting people buy individual cars. I'm not planning on buying this DLC as I don't want a Mini or ANOTHER SKYLINE but I'd happily pay $2 for the VWs.

Before any accusation of being cheap or poor fly, no, that's not a problem, it's just I'll be giving this DLC a miss as I won't use 50% of it.

I don't think [rice comparisons to Forza DLC are fair, as Forza DLC seems more on the money regarding cars people actually want. Surely Kaz is just trolling with Skylines now!

 

[Tenacious D]

Maybe I shouln'd be but I', quite offended by you trowing the whole of europe on one pile there.

It's not that in every country there are ugly protests

Well, I didn't say that the protests are in every country, but I'm surprised how many have problems with violent mobs. Heck, we have them here in America too, so I'm not picking on Europe for being nothing but hot-heads. At least that's not my intent. It's a few troublemakers who are making it hard on everyone.

On the Forza model, I'm not very fond of it. It's approaching the iRacing level, and supposedly Microsoft offered 180 some-odd cars as DLC in Forza 3. Why weren't they all in Forza 4? And will the 180-plus DLC cars for F4 be in F5?

For that matter, GT5 really doesn't need a whole ton of DLC cars, just a few every so often. Many of us are after new tracks - and which incorporate in A-Spec races too, as well as Arcade Mode races. See my sig for a Feedback Forum request. If you want to see a bunch more cars of various types, I'm down with that. I can't say no to new rides. But I think we could use more race courses a bit more than new cars.

 

[Raitziger]

They cut about 20% of the cars out of the finished game to sell as DLC.

Some of forza DLC is made with fan input.

Community choice pack for F3 included:
1971 AMC Javelin-AMX
1973 BMW Motorsport 2002 Turbo
1970 Chevrolet El Camino SS 454
1971 De Tomaso Pantera
1982 DeLorean DMC-12
1987 Ford Sierra RS500 Cosworth
1990 Mercedes-Benz 190E 2.5-16 Evolution II
1978 Saab 99 Turbo
1983 Volvo 242 Turbo Evolution
1957 Ferrari 250 California

Which all btw are important cars in automotive history.

 

[GTP_Plato]

That you only get to use once, and would have to purchase again (the entire pack) even if you want one additional color.




Do you have proof of that?

You telling me turn 10 model 10 cars a month, no chance 👎

With all the problems they have themselves with bug fixes (leaderboards and 900 degree steering) and others there is no way the DLC was created in a month. A car like the Suzuki Monster would of taken that long to create alone.

There's also the fact that they still find time for a "Race with devs night" and you're trying to tell us there DLC isn't pre-planned

I was a fan of the forza series before GT, you may remember the most requested car being the Nissan 240sx which never made it to FM3, pretty obvious they didn't have time to model it for FM3 so used it as bait for FM4.

I am another happy customer when it comes to this DLC, hopefully tracks will come in the next one.

Edit: Quoted the wrong thing, but am still questioning your opinions

@ Raitziger

My post about the 240sx covers that, plus the fact that pack took months before it was released to customers. Turn 10 failed to give a reason/comment why it took months to be released and you can't deny this

 

[Adam41]

Stick it in GT6 if you must, but stop robbing your players.

You will no doubt get it in GT6 (okay so one or 2 RM's may be dropped). If they believe people will purchase DLC for it to be on GT5 before GT6, then they will issue DLC. And people will buy the DLC.

 

[Tenacious D]

you may remember the most requested car being the Nissan 240sx which never made it to FM3, pretty obvious they didn't have time to model it for FM3 so used it as bait for FM4.

I was one of those harping on about the 240SX, but my popularity dropped like a rock when I didn't kiss Dan's - or Che's - ring over there, so I dropped out completely within a month of getting Forza 3.

Hey, it's kind of the same deal as we're in over here in GT land. You can't tell either side, "Don't buy that stuff!" That's not our decision. If millions of people want to buy DLC for any game, the companies will keep putting it out there. And we can buy it or not. But I do prefer Kaz's idea. If you just wanted Spa in the first batch, you could just buy it and nothing else. If you wanted paint too but not the cars, no problem. If you wanted it all, there it is for a slight discount. PD doesn't give you an all or nothing deal. And I expect just about all of these goodies to be in GT6 on the disc. Unlocked and available, that is.

 

[Saidur_Ali]

You telling me turn 10 model 10 cars a month, no chance 👎

With all the problems they have themselves with bug fixes (leaderboards and 900 degree steering) and others there is no way the DLC was created in a month. A car like the Suzuki Monster would of taken that long to create alone.

There's also the fact that they still find time for a "Race with devs night" and you're trying to tell us there DLC isn't pre-planned

I was a fan of the forza series before GT, you may remember the most requested car being the Nissan 240sx which never made it to FM3, pretty obvious they didn't have time to model it for FM3 so used it as bait for FM4.

I am another happy customer when it comes to this DLC, hopefully tracks will come in the next one.

Edit: Quoted the wrong thing, but am still questioning your opinions

@ Raitziger

My post about the 240sx covers that, plus the fact that pack took months before it was released to customers. Turn 10 failed to give a reason/comment why it took months to be released and you can't deny this

Forza DLC pricing is perfectly fine. It is just the way they come across like the Ultimate Edition. The way they come across has improved a lot since then. Probably the most value for money has to go to probably T10 with PD 2nd. T10 have more people working on car modelling for Forza, than PD's total employee count. That is the reason why T10 can release more cars, they have about 3 times the resources of PD and that has been the case since probably T10 started up. Whether it is out of spite to dethrone GT franchise or just to be a success for its own sake is another point and that is saved for another section of GTPlanet. Forza franchise has probably the most cost and most amount of man hours gone developing it than any other Microsoft first party studio and that maybe by a large margin so IMO it is not very good idea to call them moneybags or whatever.

GT DLC either way does not cost much, and is a lot cheaper than say iRacing but that is because they can afford to be due to having a lot more customers. You can buy it if you want it enough and at least you don't feel left out on online racing if you don't have a certain track. It is all optional content and prices are not exceedingly high so I think it is quite good as it is. However I think the current problem is the implementation of DLC cars and paint chips and hopefully that is resolved with the next update or the one after that.

 

[Samus]

People keep moaning about the Forza DLC but the fact of the matter is they give you the choice of having it. As so many keep saying that you don't have to buy the GT5 DLC, the same is equal for the Forza DLC.

The only difference is Forza are offering a lot more, 10 cars per month compared to PDs lackluster 4 cars in 12 months. Think they were modelled before the game went gold and you're getting ripped off? Don't buy it. Think the models are crap? Don't buy it? But if you do like it, you can buy those cars.

I'm absolutely certain that if PD had offered the same amount of DLC as Forza for the same cost the argument from people here would be exactly the same if people moaned about it as they are doing for Forza. You don't have to buy it.

No, but given the choice of 120 new models per year and four new models a year, I know which I'd prefer to have the choice of buying.

 

[leepangfu]

I don't get this. It's not alot of money and you are not forced to buy it.

I see people here comparing it to monthly Forza DLC and saying that is cheaper. If I read it correctly it is $7 per 10 cars. That's 70 cents a car.

GT5 had two, one containing 15 cars for $8 and the next one 4 cars for $4. That 's 19 cars for $12. That's about 65 cents per car. Not including all the free cars we get like the GT86, Shulze GT-R, Academy cars, 2011 NASCAR's.

Ah well have fun complaining. I'll be enjoying the Scirocco on Spa when I'm done with my exams.

 

[Samus]

I don't get this. It's not alot of money and you are not forced to buy it.

I see people here comparing it to monthly Forza DLC and saying that is cheaper. If I read it correctly it is $7 per 10 cars. That's 70 cents a car.

GT5 had two, one containing 15 cars for $8 and the next one 4 cars for $4. That 's 19 cars for $12. That's about 65 cents per car. Not including all the free cars we get like the GT86, Shulze GT-R, Academy cars, 2011 NASCAR's.

Ah well have fun complaining. I'll be enjoying the Scirocco on Spa when I'm done with my exams.

Again, it's not about simply the base price, it's about the amount and what they are. The first pack may have been 15 cars but they were all current models slightly modified, as are two of the cars in this second pack. Forza DLC is pretty much exclusively completely new models. So yes in that sense they may be more expensive per car but they're better value for money.

As for free cars, well Forza (at least for 3, I've not got 4) DLC gave you one car for free in each pack and again they were usually always 100% new models. Not GT-Rs each month.

 

[leepangfu]

Yeah I know. There's no arguing in that Forza releases better cars. But I don't have a xbox so I can't enjoy them. I'm just talking about the price. As I saw people comparing the price not the value for money.

 

[Tenacious D]

Hey, I bought the Forza 4 Special Elitoid Edition, and I still haven't bought any DLC since the first batch for Forza 2. But with all those cars modeled for DLC over the past five years or more, I wonder why they all didn't end up in Forza 3 and 4...

 

[GTP_Plato]

I was one of those harping on about the 240SX, but my popularity dropped like a rock when I didn't kiss Dan's - or Che's - ring over there, so I dropped out completely within a month of getting Forza 3.

Hey, it's kind of the same deal as we're in over here in GT land. You can't tell either side, "Don't buy that stuff!" That's not our decision. If millions of people want to buy DLC for any game, the companies will keep putting it out there. And we can buy it or not. But I do prefer Kaz's idea. If you just wanted Spa in the first batch, you could just buy it and nothing else. If you wanted paint too but not the cars, no problem. If you wanted it all, there it is for a slight discount. PD doesn't give you an all or nothing deal. And I expect just about all of these goodies to be in GT6 on the disc. Unlocked and available, that is.

I couldn't care less about the 240sx either, I was just using it as an example for those saying turn 10 didn't already have there DLC packs ready at launch but are holding them back to make more money, every dev pretty much does this.

It's limited to a certain amount of DLC's for a reason, reason being they have had a certain amount of DLC ready from the beginning. The reason the customer car pack took so long was because they had to make it from scratch. In all it at least took 6 months or more before they released it.

Turn 10 always state how much DLC will be available when the game is released and there is only one reason for that, it was developed at the same time as the game but they held it back to make more money. Like I said same for every dev.👍

 

[Saidur_Ali]

Again, it's not about simply the base price, it's about the amount and what they are. The first pack may have been 15 cars but they were all current models slightly modified, as are two of the cars in this second pack. Forza DLC is pretty much exclusively completely new models. So yes in that sense they may be more expensive per car but they're better value for money.

As for free cars, well Forza (at least for 3, I've not got 4) DLC gave you one car for free in each pack and again they were usually always 100% new models. Not GT-Rs each month.

It all comes down to resources. iRacing has only got like 27 cars since it got released. That development team is not as large as PD. PD can model cars quite quickly and that is why on the PS3, it has the most cars with full interior view. It is just that T10 have just taken it a few levels above PD and make PD look like a small development company even though they are probably joint largest in Sony's line of first party studios. I'm hoping PD expand as a reaction to T10 and this will mean better value for us gamers. However at the moment it looks like PD will expand to 200 while T10 will have like 600 people working on their game.

 

[Samus]

Hey, I bought the Forza 4 Special Elitoid Edition, and I still haven't bought any DLC since the first batch for Forza 2. But with all those cars modeled for DLC over the past five years or more, I wonder why they all didn't end up in Forza 3 and 4...

What? Are you trying to say the Forza DLC has all been made in the last five years and they're just waiting to release it all? Despite the fact many cars were only released a few months before they became DLC? Many of the DLC cars for Forza 3 didn't exist when the game itself went gold so it's somewhat impossible they already had those modelled.

Anyway even if they did hold back some cars if the cars they did give you represents good value what is the problem? If you thought 500 cars for £40 was good value does it matter too much that they had extra cars they could have given you? T10 and every dev is a business to make money at the end of the day and so if they have enough assets to spread them out across different sale methods to make the most money why not? They've taken the time and expense to model 600+ cars, it's totally up to them if they want to keep some back.

It all comes down to resources. iRacing has only got like 27 cars since it got released. That development team is not as large as PD. PD can model cars quite quickly and that is why on the PS3, it has the most cars with full interior view. It is just that T10 have just taken it a few levels above PD and make PD look like a small development company even though they are probably joint largest in Sony's line of first party studios. I'm hoping PD expand as a reaction to T10 and this will means better value for us gamers. However at the moment it looks like PD will expand to 200 while T10 will have like 600 people working on their game.

That is the exact problem which is becoming more an more apparent with PD. They are too small and too slow with their development. They have the money and backing of Sony, they need to sort it out.

 

[emacifa]

Oh cmon guys, let's stop this forza vs gt5 thing lol

 

[Saidur_Ali]

That is the exact problem which is becoming more an more apparent with PD. They are too small and too slow with their development. They have the money and backing of Sony, they need to sort it out.

They are the 2nd largest compared to PC sim developers and also for consoles. Only T10 are larger and they could probably put the whole PC sim studios that make iRacing, rFactor, netKar Pro and also add PD and still have more people working on Forza. It is a unique situation. Halo for example has two to three times less people working on it than on Forza and that is Microsofts flagship title.

PD for what they have released is remarkably fast in perspective, they have released many retail games over the last 6 years, and on different platforms and it also included a bike game. If you take T10 out of the equation then who is as fast as PD although fast in this definition seems to not really mean that but the amount of people working on the game.

PD without Sony backing will easily be able to stand on there own two feet, I don't think I can say that about Turn 10 with much confidence and they might go the way of Bizarre Creations if they did. Putting that aside I would love for PD to invest two to three times as much as they currently do but if it is viable I don't know. They are already spending quite a bit as it is. That will mean track development for either DLC or new game will come down from two years to probably less than a year and car modelling time to about two months for the same amount of cars it took six months.

 

[AleksandarSRB]

:tdown:No new track in DLC

 

[Samus]

Oh cmon guys, let's stop this forza vs gt5 thing lol

Funnily enough it's the people defending PD's DLC that keep bringing up Forza and their DLC policy first.

 

[Tenacious D]

Anyway even if they did hold back some cars if the cars they did give you represents good value what is the problem? If you thought 500 cars for £40 was good value does it matter too much that they had extra cars they could have given you? T10 and every dev is a business to make money at the end of the day and so if they have enough assets to spread them out across different sale methods to make the most money why not? They've taken the time and expense to model 600+ cars, it's totally up to them if they want to keep some back.

So... if it doesn't matter what any dev does, why does it only matter when that developer is Polyphony?

Actually, I don't care whether you like the DLC or not, or GT5 or not, or Forza or not, or me or not. Merry Christmas, I'm getting what I want, you get what you want, play with it, and be all happy happy. I will.

 

[noisiaturismo]

I feel like being kicked in the nuts, that for the US it's 4 dollars, and for Europe probably 4 euro. 4 euro isn't much, but 4 dollars are 1 euro less, giving one car - that could be the Mini Cooper already in - for free.

(yes if it is 3 euro, we get 8 cent off)

 

[Samus]

So... if it doesn't matter what any dev does, why does it only matter when that developer is Polyphony?

Actually, I don't care whether you like the DLC or not, or GT5 or not, or Forza or not, or me or not. Merry Christmas, I'm getting what I want, you get what you want, play with it, and be all happy happy. I will.

Why do you only quote parts of my messages? Are you not able to respond to the other parts?

I also don't understand your question, where did I say it only matters what PD do? I'm simply saying that if the original game represents good value I don't mind if the developer keeps some content back for DLC. After all, I don't have to buy it.

 

[Blitz24]

I feel like being kicked in the nuts, that for the US it's 4 dollars, and for Europe probably 4 euro. 4 euro isn't much, but 4 dollars are 1 euro less, giving one car - that could be the Mini Cooper already in - for free.

(yes if it is 3 euro, we get 8 cent off)

Purchasing Power Parity really never works for these things. It would make logical sense for Sony to use one currency in order to prevent anybody from feeling they have been ripped off by being charged more than somebody else for the same product in a different country. Alas, that's not how it works.

 

[Tenacious D]

Why do you only quote parts of my messages? Are you not able to respond to the other parts?

What am I supposed to say?

"It doesn't matter if T10 holds back content for DLC. It's theirs, you can buy it or not."

Uhm... okay....

 

[Samus]

What am I supposed to say?

"It doesn't matter if T10 holds back content for DLC. It's theirs, you can buy it or not."

Uhm... okay....

No I asked you if you were claiming all of the Forza 4 DLC has been ready for years and could have been in Forza 2 and 3?

 

[Fryto]

I think Sony needs to take a look at the currency exchange rate.
It looks like they're going to charge $3.99 in US and €3.99 in EU

 

[Tenacious D]

No I asked you if you were claiming all of the Forza 4 DLC has been ready for years and could have been in Forza 2 and 3?

If that's what came across in my post, that's not really what I said. What I did say was that since they made all this previous DLC for two whole Forzas, why didn't they just put it all in F4? If they did, I must be missing something because I'm not seeing it all. If they didn't want to, if they wanted to re-offer it again for F4 DLC... well, okay, though that seems kind of rude.

This is kind of an interesting contrast with GT5. In GT5, we ended up paying for at least 700 cars twice, once in GT4 and once in GT5. But this is the kind of repackaging I like. I get those cars in a glorious new graphic engine with physics a quantum leap closer to reality.

The Forza fans can clearly do whatever they want with their money, the same as us, the same as anyone. Merry Christmas.

 

[Samus]

If that's what came across in my post, that's not really what I said. What I did say was that since they made all this previous DLC for two whole Forzas, why didn't they just put it all in F4? If they did, I must be missing something because I'm not seeing it all. If they didn't want to, if they wanted to reissue it again for F4... well, okay, though that seems kind of rude.

Huh? The vast majority of previous DLC IS in Forza 4. The cars that aren't were either scrapped or they lost the license (eg Porsche). Everything else is pretty much there. But they certainly have never charged you twice for the same cars as DLC.

This is kind of an interesting contrast with GT5. In GT5, we ended up paying for at least 700 cars twice, once in GT4 and once in GT5. But this is the kind of repackaging I like. I get those cars in a glorious new graphic engine with physics a quantum leap closer to reality.

The GT4 standard cars are in a 'glorious new graphics engine'?

 

[Tenacious D]

The GT4 standard cars are in a 'glorious new graphics engine'?

When I get around to doing some Photo Mode pics, I'll see if I can manage some GT4 vs GT5 comparisons.

 

[Lucas]

This is the part when I come back after a year and say: I knew PD was going to charge for DLC, despite what a lot of people thought.

Also, surprised that standard cars wheels will be able to be changed. Surprised, and glad for those who update the game.