Do you believe in God?

[Scaff]

So if I didn't cause you to get angry or frustrated at me at any stage, then I am sorry Scaff.

You're sorry I didn't get frustrated or angry?

That's.......just.....odd!

 

[DCP]

That is the one god that I wanted to seek. I spent a long time trying to get her to respond. She never did.

Been waiting for months now, literally, for you to finally provide me some insight on why she refuses.



Putting that in quotes seems to suggest you've finally accepted that the concept of free will conflicts with your god. So if free will isn't real, why should we be punished for anything?



You want to make people angry? So you're admitting that this is all just trolling on your part?

You show no humility and respect to this God, so perhaps start there, else you will be waiting till the grave.

@Scaff , no, I'm apologising for accusing you of getting angry or frustrated at me.

 

[ryzno]

Sorry, but I've got to put it out there. On judgment day, whether you accept it or not, there will be no excuses.
You can't tell me you've never, lied, cheated, stole, looked with lust or "well you do get angry".
Bottom line is, I don't need a new God, because clearly He is Perfect if He judges anger as murder.
Why serve a god who shoves such things under the rug. This is the reason why there are millions of gods to follow, including the one that founded atheist mega churches.

As I said if what you say is true, I'll find out when I die.

I have lied.
I have cheated.(not romantically(cheated can be taken too many ways)
I have stole.
I look with lust every time I log on pornhub.

Do I regret some of the things I did?
Hell yeah, but I don't need a God to repent to, to realize I did wrong and will never do it again.

If you dare to say THAT YOU have never gotten angry you're full of it.

How can you see anger at the same level as murder?!
Edit: Anger is an emotion. Murder is a action.

 

[DCP]

As I said if what you say is true, I'll find out when I die.

I have lied.
I have cheated.(not romantically(cheated can be taken too many ways)
I have stole.
I look with lust every time I log on pornhub.

Do I regret some of the things I did?
Hell yeah, but I don't need a God to repent to, to realize I did wrong and will never do it again.

If you dare to say THAT YOU have never gotten angry you're full of it.

How can you see anger at the same level as murder?!

My friend, I've done all you do, and I get tempted as well, and this is the reason why I know I need my Saviour.
His death is in vein if I don't need to repent of my wrong doings. If sin is a cancer, and I don't need a cure, I will die in my sin. Christ's finished work on the Cross is the cure. A cure so Powerful that I will never die. He proved it by conquering death. I believe this even if He didn't send the Holy Spirit to me and millions of others. He is the God I was born to follow.

The fact that you regret the things you do confirms you have a conscience that never lies. The fact that absolute morality comes from God, else you wouldn't feel regret. Right and wrong didn't just pop up from nowhere. It was chosen. Same with love and hate or good and evil.

So please don't see me as better than you or holier then thou. I'm not and I will openly admit it. I need a Saviour because I fail everyday, as a friend, father and husband. I have a desire to try, because I have an example of Christ in my life, who never fails, and never gives up.

Can you give up GT to follow Christ? I did, because I gave up on knowable sin, and my desires were changed.
I still play GT occasionally, but not professionally as I did two years ago.
A person who want's to know God personally, must be ready to give up that which their heart most desires, because as a man thinketh in his heart, so is he.

 

[CodeRedR51]

... including the one that founded atheist mega churches.

You should become a comedian.

 

[huskeR32]

You show no humility and respect to this God, so perhaps start there, else you will be waiting till the grave.

I see you're still up on your high horse handing out judgements like candy. How'd you talk God into landing that gig?

I'll grant that I don't treat your god with the reverent respect that she demands now, but that wasn't the case at the time in my life during which I actively sought her out. Then, I did everything you're supposed to do - attended church and bible study, surrounded myself with friends who believed, and asked god to "save" me. She, for whatever reason, had no interest in doing so.

You want to take another stab at explaining that? Or are you having too much fun being an arrogant 🤬 to be able to say something meaningful on the topic?

 

[FoRiZon]

Dude you need to lose your stereotypes...
I'm Atheist.
I don't hate you or your God.
I don't need a book to tell me wrong and right.
I don't do most of the things that your God said are wrong, because most of them are illegal.
We're all going to die and be put in the ground or a urn. What happens afterwords? I'll find out when I die.
Excuse me for living with no fears...

The most things I get on the religion thing is the same, repetitive peer pressure and obligations by other people in group. Its not even change my life to be better honestly. Just the same crap only more load with other people telling or even shout at you to do "God's obligations" (which sometimes made up with no original sources by people themselves).

 

[Imari]

There are millions of gods, but only ONE can be true.

Nope.

There are some that cannot co-exist by definition, but there are plenty that can.

Only One knows the past and future and gave it to those who search it.
Only One came in like form as a man to serve man, and not sit high and mighty and be served.
Only One judges a man by his heart and thoughts, and not by his deeds and actions, because He said, out of a mans heart, flow the issues of life.
Only One was humiliated and suffered while being completely innocent.

Nope nope-ity nope.

I don't think you have any idea of how many potential gods are out there.

There is a reason why there are different religions, because they all must do good deeds and burn offerings to their gods, EXCEPT Christianity.

ALL religions burn offerings to their gods?

Nope.

Would there be STDs if people didn't sleep around with other people?

Yep.

 

[20832]

I look with lust every time I log on pornhub.
[...]and will never do it again.

Yeah, we all know that you're going to do that again

 

[Famine]

Bottom line is, I don't need a new God, because clearly He is Perfect if He judges anger as murder.

Good job that God has never been angry then...

Or, for that matter, murdered anyone.

 

[Scaff]

Can you give up GT to follow Christ?

Didn't need to, I gave it up for Pcars, Driveclub, Forza and Dirt Rally, soon I will add AC to the pantheon of new god's.

Sarcasm, just in case you try and take that literally.

I did, because I gave up on knowable sin, and my desires were changed.
I still play GT occasionally, but not professionally as I did two years ago.

GT is a sin? I know it's got it's issues, but even I don't think it's that bad.

 

[FoRiZon]

Lmao that one person try to cram GT into a God thread. Just wow.

 

[Carbonox]

Bottom line is, I don't need a new God, because clearly He is Perfect if He judges anger as murder.

Looking at how tragically obsessed you are with him, it's not much of a stretch that he could equate, say, eating apples with murder and you'd still think of him as "perfect".

 

[unit-one]

I was reading some pages and got confused... Jesus is The God or The God is an entity that no one saw?

I always thought that it's two different entities.

I kinda understand why religion was needed in the past- to control the society. To show what's good and what's bad, so people could live by the rules, to fight crime. But today... it's 21st century... people still need a Saviour to commit good deeds? We have laws that tell us what's good and what's bad.

And from the looks of it, some people are using churches as cleansing houses. They commit crime, go to the church, place some candles, pray or whatever they are doing there and viola! now they are clean. :/

 

[squadops]

I was reading some pages and got confused... Jesus is The God or The God is an entity that no one saw?

If you are trying to understand Christianity the trinity is considered a mono theistic being, father, son, holy ghost. It stirs much debate.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Trinity

 

[BobK]

It's three gods in one. To some people it makes sense.

 

[unit-one]

It's three gods in one. To some people it makes sense.

If you are trying to understand Christianity the trinity is considered a mono theistic being, father, son, holy ghost. It stirs much debate.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Trinity

mm, thanks, looks I'll be reading then. )

Spoiler: Flashback story

This reminds me a moment from early school when we had Religion as one of the lessons. The teacher was telling about world creation and asked us what was created step by step. When Earth and vegetation was ready I was saying "dinosaurs!" but then the Sun and the Moon were created before them. Then after some more steps, yes, dinosaurs were finally created along side with modern animals and everyone lived happy and chewed greens.
I was like: -"Fine. :I "
This was the day I met Religion and it showed the world like I never thought it looked like.

 

[JKgo]

It's three gods in one.

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[CSLACR]

Perhaps you guys must go through all these previous posts and see how you'll despise God (of the Bible)
I mean, He won't say "they hated Me first, before they hated you", and remember, His talking about what's in the heart, because people don't like to reveal what's in their heart.

By all means you can deny it. It is your "free will" after all.

What's in your heart appears to be hatred.

 

[squadops]

It is a bit strange, we've already delivered the good word and some decided it's not so great, so what?

I think from my standpoint as a Christian my duty is simply to live by example and I prolly don't do such a great job. No need for soap box anymore imo.

 

[kolio]

I had somebody tell me how God has spoken to them. When I asked them what he sounded like, all they could say was "Uh male voice of course, and just a very soft voice.."

I was disappointed to be honest. I was under the impression the impression that when God spoke to somebody, it was more along the lines of somebody just doing what they felt was the right thing to do.

 

[RalliArt/////]

It is a bit strange, we've already delivered the good word and some decided it's not so great, so what?

I think from my standpoint as a Christian my duty is simply to live by example and I prolly don't do such a great job. No need for soap box anymore imo.

... Jesus' example?

2 Timothy 4:2 Preach the word of God. Be prepared, whether the time is favorable or not. Patiently correct, rebuke, and encourage your people with good teaching.

1 Timothy 4:13 Until I come, be diligent in reading, in prayer and in teaching.

Matthew 28:19, 20 ...

 

[squadops]

Of course prayer and teaching of 'your people'. Anywhere the gospel is not known it is a duty to share it, I'm pretty sure everyone in this thread knows what it is by now.

Matthew 5:15 is what I was getting at among many other vrs. If you like however... Matthew 18:15-17.

I can't find anything in the book that says I should cast pearls on swine or some sort, non believers should be rebuked and let go.

 

[Carbonox]

People continuing to advocate missionary work based on something allegedly said 2000 years ago tend to forget that the modern right to freedom from religion trumps those old commands.

 

[Dotini]

"He sees you when you're sleeping, he knows when you're awake. He know if you've been bad or good..."

Some would ascribe these lyrics to a pervert. Others would know they're from a Santa Claus Christmas carol.

But some few might suspect they'd apply equally well to an omniscient God.

My thoughts are along the lines of universal mind, or panpsychism.

 

[RalliArt/////]

People continuing to advocate missionary work based on something allegedly said 2000 years ago tend to forget that the modern right to freedom from religion trumps those old commands.

2 Peter 2:19 They promise these people freedom, but they themselves are slaves to corruption. A person is a slave to whatever he gives in to.

"Thus, a good man, though a slave, is free; but a wicked man, though a king, is a slave. For he serves, not one man alone, but what is worse, as many masters as he has vices." - St. Augustine.

 

[squadops]

People continuing to advocate missionary work based on something allegedly said 2000 years ago tend to forget that the modern right to freedom from religion trumps those old commands.

I'm not following you, I both advocate missionary work and I'd never forget anyone's right to freedom. If you mean there are some over zealous types in the business, I guess there are.

 

[FoRiZon]

Slight drifting topic. If this place has a dedicated "Islam" thread (I saw the Christianity too in an extent), I really wanted a Judaism thread since its the most underrepresented religions arround the world, even in GTP. The "Israel VS Palestine" thread isnt really about said religion.

Just wanted to say, I wanted to learn more about them so the next time i can view them more objectively. My friend just told the story about it (The history, how they works, etc) and it kinda interests me. Again Im a very objecrive person in mind.

 

[Johnnypenso]

Slight drifting topic. If this place has a dedicated "Islam" thread (I saw the Christianity too in an extent), I really wanted a Judaism thread since its the most underrepresented religions arround the world, even in GTP. The "Israel VS Palestine" thread isnt really about said religion.

Just wanted to say, I wanted to learn more about them so the next time i can view them more objectively. My friend just told the story about it (The history, how they works, etc) and it kinda interests me. Again Im a very objecrive person in mind.

What is stopping you from creating the thread?

People continuing to advocate missionary work based on something allegedly said 2000 years ago tend to forget that the modern right to freedom from religion trumps those old commands.

Don't missionaries also have the religious freedom to be missionairies and do what missionairies do?

 

[squadops]

I think the idea of a Christian thread or, a religion thread has been denied by the staff as the argument goes; religion and god go hand in hand. I happen to disagree with that notion and would welcome a strictly Jewish thread as well.

Maybe I should not have said christian first but it's been discussed before, mainly all religion in one thread and anything else god in another. Oh well.