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Where's the fun in that? I just sit around and wait for the traffic to leave. Not going to miss the end of the race just to avoid a traffic jam. The best thing to do is take Friday & Monday off, and stay at the track the whole weekend. That way you can walk to your camp site after the race, spend the night, and leave on Monday with zero traffic. 👍

Or you can just stay at a friends house who lives just outside of the campgrounds, party there, walk to the race, then walk back to your friends after the race and party some more. :sly:

Altho I don't party anymore, I still use his house as a base. I have always lived close to MIS. The traffic there used to be ungodly, now is a little better since they have re-routed things during race weekend. Like I've said before, I even worked there on occaision so I got to sleep in a trailer right in the infield during the weekend. I have had ties to that track ever since I was a teen and have had some of the best times of my life there.
 
Last year when I went to MIS we got there a few hours early (8am) so we would beat the traffic. And while we were waiting to get in, an older couple (in their 60s) gave me and my father infield passes for free. That was great fun. Any time you can get to be on the infield is really nice. Much better than the stands.
 
Where's the fun in that? I just sit around and wait for the traffic to leave. Not going to miss the end of the race just to avoid a traffic jam. The best thing to do is take Friday & Monday off, and stay at the track the whole weekend. That way you can walk to your camp site after the race, spend the night, and leave on Monday with zero traffic. 👍

Well thats what I'm saying. The race isn't fun. So we enjoy the party and roll out while we can.

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I was talking to my old man about it a bit He's in is mid 60's and has been a mechanic/engine builder his whole life, he's one of those guys they can listen to an engine turn over and tell ya whats wrong with it. I'll tell you a bit about my conversation with him. Don't bad mouth my pops or i'll kill ya, I'm just sharing.

He used to love NASCAR. I just asked him why he didn't like it anymore while we were watching the coverage about the lasers that sense directional yaw and all that.

He said this isn't even racing anymore, the drivers aren't driving the cars the cars are driving the drivers. They may as well just pull the drivers out and let the cars drive themselves around the track. The drivers don't even have any input on car setup anymore its all done by guys sitting in the pits.

He also said something about back in the day whatever manufacturer won the race that weekend, thats who sold more cars that monday. They should run stock body cars with no spoilers and let them run any engine they want like they used to. So what if they go a little faster, no one wants to die they are going to hit the brakes for the corners.

Obviously he doesn't follow the sport anymore and some of the points could be argued with. Just sharing his point of view.
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I think it is(used to be) called "stock car racing" was it not?

How awesome would it be if the manufactured car actually had something to do with the race car. So what if ford loses all year, you chose a ford. It shows something about the manufactures. Next year they will design a better car. It will promote innovation from the manufactures also. Would be fun.

I'm not trying to get in an argument about NASCAR because you guys like it, and I don't. Doesn't matter either way. Just thought I would share the convo I had.
 
Last year when I went to MIS we got there a few hours early (8am) so we would beat the traffic. And while we were waiting to get in, an older couple (in their 60s) gave me and my father infield passes for free. That was great fun. Any time you can get to be on the infield is really nice. Much better than the stands.

Yea, I've met many drivers and their families while staying in the infield. When you work there in certain positions, you stay right next to wherethe haulers park. Thats how I've met so many drivers, pit crew, ect. I've even had the opportunity to actually sit down and have conversations with a few of them.

I also used to work at a local watering hole that some of the drivers visit. Boy, the stories I could tell you about that, lol.
 
Well thats what I'm saying. The race isn't fun. So we enjoy the party and roll out while we can.

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I was talking to my old man about it a bit He's in is mid 60's and has been a mechanic/engine builder his whole life, he's one of those guys they can listen to an engine turn over and tell ya whats wrong with it. I'll tell you a bit about my conversation with him. Don't bad mouth my pops or i'll kill ya, I'm just sharing.

He used to love NASCAR. I just asked him why he didn't like it anymore while we were watching the coverage about the lasers that sense directional yaw and all that.

He said this isn't even racing anymore, the drivers aren't driving the cars the cars are driving the drivers. They may as well just pull the drivers out and let the cars drive themselves around the track. The drivers don't even have any input on car setup anymore its all done by guys sitting in the pits.

He also said something about back in the day whatever manufacturer won the race that weekend, thats who sold more cars that monday. They should run stock body cars with no spoilers and let them run any engine they want like they used to. So what if they go a little faster, no one wants to die they are going to hit the brakes for the corners.

Obviously he doesn't follow the sport anymore and some of the points could be argued with. Just sharing his point of view.
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I think it is(used to be) called "stock car racing" was it not?

How awesome would it be if the manufactured car actually had something to do with the race car. So what if ford loses all year, you chose a ford. It shows something about the manufactures. Next year they will design a better car. It will promote innovation from the manufactures also. Would be fun.

I'm not trying to get in an argument about NASCAR because you guys like it, and I don't. Doesn't matter either way. Just thought I would share the convo I had.

Not bad mouthing your father, but this could not be farther from the truth. That is totally ridiculous. I'm just going to stop here.
 
Obviously it isn't true. But you can't see what he means by it? The seat of the pants thing is dead.

They should just throw roll cages and foam filled fuel tanks in stock cars and race them. Let them run the biggest engine available from the manufacturer and change wheel bearings and suspension. Like they used to. NASCAR would be awesome then. Australians might even give up a V8 supercar race every once in a while to check out Stock American cars going in circles at 190 mph. I would watch it.
 
Obviously it isn't true. But you can't see what he means by it? The seat of the pants thing is dead.

They should just throw roll cages and foam filled fuel tanks in stock cars and race them. Let them run the biggest engine available from the manufacturer and change wheel bearings and suspension. Like they used to. NASCAR would be awesome then. Australians might even give up a V8 supercar race every once in a while to check out Stock American cars going in circles at 190 mph. I would watch it.

No, the seat of your pants thing is not dead. You know, I get the sense that you are just trying to start crap with me just because I happen to love a sport that you hate. You are obviously mis-informed and only judging a sport by how you want to see it, not how it really is. I'm done going through this with you. You have your opinions, I have mine. End of story.
 
If I was uninformed I would have no opinion whatsoever. I am informed enough to know that it is not enjoyable for me, for reasons I have stated previously (that at some point or another most of you die hard NASCAR fans agreed with in this thread)

I have no interest at all in starting crap. Stock car racing used to be the coolest thing ever, now its the complete opposite, we disagree on that. No big deal. You probably think R.C. car races are boring. What do I care?
 
If I was uninformed I would have no opinion whatsoever. I am informed enough to know that it is not enjoyable for me, for reasons I have stated previously (that at some point or another most of you die hard NASCAR fans agreed with in this thread)

I have no interest at all in starting crap. Stock car racing used to be the coolest thing ever, now its the complete opposite, we disagree on that. No big deal. You probably think R.C. car races are boring. What do I care?

I wasn't going to respond back here, but since you think that you know what I like and don't like, let me set you straight on that.

Ulike you, I happen to like and appreciate all forms of motorsports. It just happens that NASCAR is my favorite for various reasons. I have an open mind and enjoy all forms of racing. I'm even just now getting interested in the V8 Super Car Series thanks to this thread. I previously was unaware of it until this thread and was given a link to check it out. So, there you have it. This will now end my part in this discussion.
 
Well to get this thread back on topic.. I follow NASCAR. I have been a fan most of my life. I used to kinda watch the races and didn't root for anyone in particular. In 2007 I watched the Budweiser Shootout and just loved the sport after I watched that race. Decided whoever won the Daytona 500 is who I would like... Well im happy I made that decision :) I started to watch more races because I finally had a driver to root for. I remember seeing the CoT's for the first time. I loved the body style and loved NASCAR even more. The next season my dad surprised me by getting tickets for the May Richmond Sprint Cup race. One of those things that you just have to be their to understand the magnitude of the sport. How much time and effort goes into the sport and how awesome of fans the sport has. Since 2009 I have been to every Sprint Cup race at Richmond. I've also accumulated tons of Kevin Harvick Stuff. In 2012 alone I spent ~$500 on his stuff. Not including gifts I have gotten! I will always watch NASCAR. Its a so underestimated sport that it kinda annoys me. Sure, the races could be a little more exciting but the competition is still great. Hopefully this year will be better and the new cars look beautiful.

I also kinda watch F1,Motor Cross, Monster Jam (If that counts :lol:.) and Lucas Oil Offroad Series.
 
Crikey, should this be in this forum?

Anyways I like the BTCC, but am interested in all forms of Motorsport.
 
I wasn't going to respond back here, but since you think that you know what I like and don't like, let me set you straight on that.

First of all, you won't be setting me straight with anything. Second of all the part I bolded is absolutely incorrect, I never stated anything like that. I was just trying to give an example of something I thought we might disagree on that I liked. Implying its not a big deal and not to get butthurt over a disagreement in interests.

Remove the stick poking up out of your chair and calm down a bit. I don't like a racing series, big deal.

Cheers.

And to remain on topic. Is there any type of series I can watch that has good coverage of guys that build their own car, race their own car, and don't have billions of dollars and a team of computers setting the cars up for them?

For instance 10.5 outlaw drag racing is like that, but its drag racing... Not exactly the same as road racing.
 
The seat of the pants thing is dead.

Car setups in racing, doesn't matter what it is, revolve around the "driver" telling the "crew" what needs to be done to make the car handle accordingly. Is it loose? Is it tight? In what corners is it doing what? All that is relayed from the driver.

Cars could drive themselves....total BS and you know it.
 
Car setups in racing, doesn't matter what it is, revolve around the "driver" telling the "crew" what needs to be done to make the car handle accordingly. Is it loose? Is it tight? In what corners is it doing what? All that is relayed from the driver.

Cars could drive themselves....total BS and you know it.

How old are you anyway? Have you ever looked up REAL stock car racing? When the cars were..... Stockish?

That comment you quoted went way over your head. Let me give you a better example. You might recognize the drivers...

Senna - Drove a monster of a car with how many assists?
Vettel - Drove a computer that does everything for him. The car even holds speed in the pits by itself, among a lot of other stuff I am unaware of.

Its not so much racing anymore as it used to be. Its just who has more money/better team, Whoever sets the car up better. Anyone used to be able to get into a NASCAR race. Now you have to buy a set car with set parts and have set specs. Oh, you probably have to spend 80 grand to install lasers on the bottom of the car to give you a better understanding of what its doing.

I say, Just go drive the car... Tell your mechanic what to change off your instinct. Then go race, without a billion dollars of space age technology telling you whats better. That would be an awesome series.

I don't expect you to understand really. But thats why I find simple things like Motocross so entertaining. It doesn't matter who has the best setup or the biggest rig in the pits. The best guy out there almost ALWAYS wins, because he's the best guy. Not because he's backed by Mclaren instead of Lotus.

Yes, there are always exceptions I know. Just replying to your post.

We aren't getting anywhere with this and its way off topic. Just go enjoy your NASCAR. And I.... Won't. Thats all.
 
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How old are you anyway? Have you ever looked up REAL stock car racing? When the cars were..... Stockish?

Old enough. And a fan of the series long enough that I know quite a bit of history about it, thank you very much.

And yes, don't seem to be getting anywhere with you so have a nice day sir.
 
Yeah I hear ya but I don't think FD is big enough and the teams don't really have the budget to travel a lot during the year.

Old post is old,

But

You always have XDC here in the states, along with comps outside of the states, which are way better IMO. Examples being King of Europe, D1GP, British Drift Championship, etc.
 
So, F1 is too high-tech, and NASCAR is too boring? Watch V8 Supercars, or not. Watch BTCC... Or not.

But don't argue like children. We all like motorsports. Like motorsports, it's a good feeling to like motorsports. And, then, realize that we all agree;

We want to see drivers who actually work their cars etc.
 
How old are you anyway? Have you ever looked up REAL stock car racing? When the cars were..... Stockish?

That comment you quoted went way over your head. Let me give you a better example. You might recognize the drivers...

Senna - Drove a monster of a car with how many assists?
Vettel - Drove a computer that does everything for him. The car even holds speed in the pits by itself, among a lot of other stuff I am unaware of.

Its not so much racing anymore as it used to be. Its just who has more money/better team, Whoever sets the car up better. Anyone used to be able to get into a NASCAR race. Now you have to buy a set car with set parts and have set specs. Oh, you probably have to spend 80 grand to install lasers on the bottom of the car to give you a better understanding of what its doing.

I say, Just go drive the car... Tell your mechanic what to change off your instinct. Then go race, without a billion dollars of space age technology telling you whats better. That would be an awesome series.

I don't expect you to understand really. But thats why I find simple things like Motocross so entertaining. It doesn't matter who has the best setup or the biggest rig in the pits. The best guy out there almost ALWAYS wins, because he's the best guy. Not because he's backed by Mclaren instead of Lotus.

Yes, there are always exceptions I know. Just replying to your post.

We aren't getting anywhere with this and its way off topic. Just go enjoy your NASCAR. And I.... Won't. Thats all.
Your philosophy is a bit off track. While F1 might have computer aided differentials, engine tune maps and alot of aero...there is no computer aid allowed in the form of traction control in both series {F1 or Nascar}.

So the nut behind the wheel has more to do with the success of a team then you give them credit for. If you did watch F1, you would have known that Alonso proved the above statement wrong this past year. Keslowski also proved that a semi competative car is still good enough with some luck and good race strategy to take the championship.

The only difference from the past to present is technology. Still takes a darn skilled driver to be quick. Living in the past is not a good thing if not used to enhance the future.
 
Code 60 basically means that the moment the (for Dubai at least I believe it's purple) flag is thrown, all the cars are limited to 60mph until the incident is cleared and racing resumes. So no one can gain any ground, meaning no unfair advantage/good luck. It's nice for purity of competition, not so much for creating action. It's better than aggregate scoring at least, as you can tell who is in what position and how far behind without a page of notes and a calculator.

I personally like having different ways of resolving the incidents. The pure competition preserved by a Code 60 is nice but the entertainment of watching a race resume after a yellow is nice too(and a team can adjust on the fly to create a strategy to get back in contention using a yellow to their advantage as well). I'd hate to have every series and event do it the same exact way. Same with varying rules on whether pits remain open during yellows or the various wave-around rules. Variety is the spice of life, eh?

I'm not too keen on minimum pit-stop time rules however(can't remember if Dubai uses that one), or Dubai's minimum target lap time rule. Still, anything that helps keep a race somewhat unique isn't all bad. Some of those rules are there to help encourage lower-budget teams to participate, and I suppose that's rarely a bad thing.

Ok, I guess I assumed wrong, Code 60 is actually 60kph, not mph. Apparently new for this year the pro teams don't have to conform to a target lap time either.
 
Your philosophy is a bit off track. While F1 might have computer aided differentials, engine tune maps and alot of aero...there is no computer aid allowed in the form of traction control in both series {F1 or Nascar}.

So the nut behind the wheel has more to do with the success of a team then you give them credit for. If you did watch F1, you would have known that Alonso proved the above statement wrong this past year. Keslowski also proved that a semi competative car is still good enough with some luck and good race strategy to take the championship.

The only difference from the past to present is technology. Still takes a darn skilled driver to be quick. Living in the past is not a good thing if not used to enhance the future.

Very well put. Technology may have advanced from years past, but its still up to the drivers to win the races. No "Kitt" cars here. :lol:
 
Not a fan of Nascar or Indy Cars. I watch Daytona and Indy and if the final race has a championship up for grabs I'll watch it. Even with 1Billion channels on satellite, coverage of good close road racing is spotty at best here in Canada. I like the Aussie V8 as it's about the closest racing around, DTM, FIA GT1, BTCC, but I can't say I follow any of them, I just catch them once in a while and find them interesting.

I enjoy kart racing but it's as hard to find as the proverbial needle in a haystack. TSN had a full 2 hours of flag to flag Rotax World's a few days ago and it was tremendous racing. Beautiful facility in Portugal Nothing like a spec kart race for hard fought battles. The Euro's were probably a bit miffed too as the UK, Canada and Australia finished 1-2-3 in the Nations Cup results!!! Helped too that Canada had a 1st, 2nd and 3rd in the 4 finals...go Canada!!
 
It's hard to not follow NASCAR around here. Twice a year the population grows by 25% and roads are gridlocked in the Northside. I try to keep an eye on endurance racing and I catch the 24 Hours of Le Mans every year. Honestly, if I flick on the TV and they are racing pinewood Derby cars, I'll sit and watch it.
 
Not a fan of Nascar or Indy Cars. I watch Daytona and Indy and if the final race has a championship up for grabs I'll watch it. Even with 1Billion channels on satellite, coverage of good close road racing is spotty at best here in Canada. I like the Aussie V8 as it's about the closest racing around, DTM, FIA GT1, BTCC, but I can't say I follow any of them, I just catch them once in a while and find them interesting.

I enjoy kart racing but it's as hard to find as the proverbial needle in a haystack. TSN had a full 2 hours of flag to flag Rotax World's a few days ago and it was tremendous racing. Beautiful facility in Portugal Nothing like a spec kart race for hard fought battles. The Euro's were probably a bit miffed too as the UK, Canada and Australia finished 1-2-3 in the Nations Cup results!!! Helped too that Canada had a 1st, 2nd and 3rd in the 4 finals...go Canada!!

:sly: Those Rotax guys had to go faster than me, back when I was still karting in Hamilton. :lol: With Canadians like you & me for competition/mentors, of course they're fast.
 
I wasn't going to respond back here, but since you think that you know what I like and don't like, let me set you straight on that.

Ulike you, I happen to like and appreciate all forms of motorsports. It just happens that NASCAR is my favorite for various reasons. I have an open mind and enjoy all forms of racing. I'm even just now getting interested in the V8 Super Car Series thanks to this thread. I previously was unaware of it until this thread and was given a link to check it out. So, there you have it. This will now end my part in this discussion.

There's a long history behind V8 supercars, Holden and Ford have both supported factory teams since 1969.

I recommend checking out some of the old races

 
There's a long history behind V8 supercars, Holden and Ford have both supported factory teams since 1969.

I recommend checking out some of the old races



Thanks for the video. Enjoyed watching it. I always like watching videos like this from before I started watching racing. Cool stuff.
 
Haha, great video! Look at the size of that field!!! Reminds me of how much I want more vintage cars in GT5.
 
Lets please not start this argument.

This argument was already started and finished inside this very thread. The gentlemen you quoted clearly was just trying to start trouble and did not read the whole thread. He's clearly being intentionally obtuse, so ignoring him is probably the best bet 👍
 
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