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doing a VERY QUICK tune i got it to go just over 190 mph... so it is a pretty quick little car
Originally posted by j2s
. you know what i mean though. the main disadvantage of domestics is their weight. when youre only going straight though, this can be overcome by more power. a honda may be lighter, but with more power made easily a heavier car can have a more favorable power/weight ratio.
Originally posted by advanR
yea, sounds funny
. theyre so rare.
neon_dukeI did equalize the playing field - the Neon I quoted has the same list price as the Civic EX! If you want to throw the Si into the picture, then you just handed me almost $5,000 to spend on aftermarket parts before that Neon costs as much as the Si. And with that kind of money, I could be putting 200+ hp and 200+ ft/lbs of torque ON THE GROUND, not just at the crank (SAE net)! Or for the same $19,000 or so I could just wait till next spring and buy a Neon SRT and have all of that from the factory, with a full warranty.
Plus the Si is 200 pounds heavier still! And based on independent testing (Grassroots Motorsports), the Neon I quoted handles better than the Si on an autocross course by a healthy margin - like more than a second on a 50-second lap.
Why would the Neon lose horsepower after 10,000 miles? The 420A bottom end is fairly bulletproof, especially in the SOHC variety. Stock engines stand up to thousands of miles of sustained 6,000-rpm roadracing with few problems. My Neon has 80,000 hard miles on it, including track days at Road Atlanta, and autocross competition. If anything it's more rev-happy now than when I got it.
Don't believe everything your Stupid Street and Sport Compact Honda magazines say. Honda makes very nice cars; it's true. But they do not walk on water.
Edit: One last little thing - if the 160-hp Si is so hot, why did the SCCA put it in Showroom Stock C, against the 132-hp Neon, instead of SSB, against the 150-hp Neon?
neon_dukeI did equalize the playing field - the Neon I quoted has the same list price as the Civic EX! If you want to throw the Si into the picture, then you just handed me almost $5,000 to spend on aftermarket parts before that Neon costs as much as the Si. And with that kind of money, I could be putting 200+ hp and 200+ ft/lbs of torque ON THE GROUND, not just at the crank (SAE net)! Or for the same $19,000 or so I could just wait till next spring and buy a Neon SRT and have all of that from the factory, with a full warranty.
Plus the Si is 200 pounds heavier still! And based on independent testing (Grassroots Motorsports), the Neon I quoted handles better than the Si on an autocross course by a healthy margin - like more than a second on a 50-second lap.
Why would the Neon lose horsepower after 10,000 miles? The 420A bottom end is fairly bulletproof, especially in the SOHC variety. Stock engines stand up to thousands of miles of sustained 6,000-rpm roadracing with few problems. My Neon has 80,000 hard miles on it, including track days at Road Atlanta, and autocross competition. If anything it's more rev-happy now than when I got it.
Don't believe everything your Stupid Street and Sport Compact Honda magazines say. Honda makes very nice cars; it's true. But they do not walk on water.
Edit: One last little thing - if the 160-hp Si is so hot, why did the SCCA put it in Showroom Stock C, against the 132-hp Neon, instead of SSB, against the 150-hp Neon?
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neon_duke
B18C with T3/T4 in a nice trim makes 450 Hp on Pump gas.... and that's a little on the conservative side of boost too 
I'm talking dyno-proven numbers. The with the IM on the front and the EM/header on the back, unlike a Japanese engine, the Neon has a very short breathing path once the stock plumbing is replaced. The MP computer is heavily remapped from the stock unit, and requires 92 octane gas because it carries a lot of spark advance, a richer fuel curve, and a higher rev limiter.Ottoman
Unless I'm mistaken, the B18C is a Japan-spec engine? Let's talk apples to apples. Economy and emissions standards are very different here. I don't know the Japanese stuff that well so if I'm mistaken, I'm mistaken. And the Neon engine in question is 10 years old as well.
The Neon in question had an excellent driver, a well built engine, and slicks. A lot of time and effort was spent dialing it in, but with that all done, it could be replicated for not much money. It was running the stock bottom end with the exception of a Moroso baffled oil pan.
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