Does Donald Trump Want to Ban German Luxury Cars from America?

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The answer is simple, reciprocal trade or fair trade if you want to call it that. Whatever hurdles other countries put on the sale of U.S. products in their country the U.S. should put on their products sold in the U.S. In other words, if Europe is has a 25% tariff on U.S. vehicles going to Europe the U.S. will put a 25% tariff on European vehicles going to the U.S.
 
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>But even if Trump gets his wish, an import ban is highly unlikely to have the effect he's looking for. Both BMW and Mercedes-Benz maintain large manufacturing presences here in the US, in part because any vehicles they build and sell here are exempt from existing import tariffs.
Yep, nothing to worry about.
 

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Yeah, I mean, the citations are all already in the article that you're commenting on.

There's not really much more we can do at this point other than yelling the article text through your letterbox with a bullhorn.
 

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So the Guy who is supposedly hitler jr is going to ban German Cars??

Riiiiiiiight. More Fake News.
 

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The answer is simple, reciprocal trade or fair trade if you want to call it that. Whatever hurdles other countries put on the sale of U.S. products in their country the U.S. should put on their products sold in the U.S. In other words, if Europe is has a 25% tariff on U.S. vehicles going to Europe the U.S. will put a 25% tariff on European vehicles going to the U.S.
The EU currently has a 10% tariff on cars from the US, as such the suggested 25% or total ban for Germans is not reciprocal at all.

Donald should have used google, it doesn't take long to find.

http://madb.europa.eu/madb/euTariffs.htm?productCode=87033319&country=US
 

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So the Guy who is supposedly hitler jr is going to ban German Cars??

Riiiiiiiight. More Fake News.
Well that makes no sense at all!

You do know that the people who think he may have a soft spot for the far-right don't actually think that makes him German?
 
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So for those that don't closely follow Trump's negotiations, he starts high as he should, asks for concessions from the other country and lands somewhere far below that number. Trump is interested in fair tariffs that will help the US workers. He is the Pres of the USA, his duty is to make the best deal for the USA. China is making concessions and he lifted the tariffs. The manufacturing base in the US has been decimated by bad trade deals.
 

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So for those that don't closely follow Trump's negotiations, he starts high as he should, asks for concessions from the other country and lands somewhere far below that number. Trump is interested in fair tariffs that will help the US workers. He is the Pres of the USA, his duty is to make the best deal for the USA. China is making concessions and he lifted the tariffs. The manufacturing base in the US has been decimated by bad trade deals.
Except thats not actually the case, which is why the EU, Canada and Mexico have just been hit with 25% tariffs for steel and 10% for aluminium.

The EU tariff on US iron and steel?
That would be 0%
http://madb.europa.eu/madb/euTariffs.htm?productCode=720610&country=US


US aluminum?
That would be 3%
http://madb.europa.eu/madb/euTariffs.htm?productCode=760110&country=US



Which would make that demonstrably bollocks.
 
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Except thats not actually the case, which is why the EU, Canada and Mexico have just been hit with 25% tariffs for steel and other metals.

The EU tariff on US steel?

That would be 0%

http://madb.europa.eu/madb/euTariffs.htm?productCode=720610&country=US

Which would make that demonstrably bollocks.
With Canada and Mexico being part of NAFTA, he wants concessions, which they so far have said no to. The aluminum and steel tariffs are a way to make them concede something, which they will. The tariffs on the EU begin Friday, there are parts of the EU trade agreements he wants changed, thus the threat to impose tariffs. This is negotiation, in the past our presidents from (Bush, Clinton, Bush and Obama) did not do enough to keep our steel plants and other manufacturing plants viable. Again, one of his goals is to open up more plants which provide good pay for US workers. We will see how the EU and NAFTA respond. Detroit looks like a war zone in certain areas, once the car plants packed up and moved elsewhere. I am all for open and fair trade, but both sides must comply with that.
 

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With Canada and Mexico being part of NAFTA, he wants concessions, which they so far have said no to. The aluminum and steel tariffs are a way to make them concede something, which they will. The tariffs on the EU begin Friday, there are parts of the EU trade agreements he wants changed, thus the threat to impose tariffs. This is negotiation, in the past our presidents from (Bush, Clinton, Bush and Obama) did not do enough to keep our steel plants and other manufacturing plants viable. Again, one of his goals is to open up more plants which provide good pay for US workers. We will see how the EU and NAFTA respond. Detroit looks like a war zone, once the car plants packed up and moved elsewhere.
The EU and NAFTA have already responded, its in the article I linked to.

Tariffs on US goods across the board, that will help US farmers, factories and manufacturing.

You know one of the reasons why Trump dropped tariffs with China? Because they called the US's bluff and simply stopped buying Soyabeans from the US (a major hit to US farmers) and simply bought them from Canada and Brazil.
http://www.businessinsider.com/china-soybean-imports-from-us-trade-war-trump-tariffs-2018-5

Canada and Mexico (and the rest of NAFTA bar the US) worried about a loss of trade with the US? Not as much as Trump would like to think, given they signed joined the Pacific Alignment trade bloc.
http://foreignpolicy.com/2018/01/29...rld-moves-on-without-u-s-lighthizer-freeland/

Trump is trying strong arm tactics with a bunch of countries and trading bloc that have been their, done that and got the T-Shirt and to be blunt its not working well.
 

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So for those that don't closely follow Trump's negotiations, he starts high as he should, asks for concessions from the other country and lands somewhere far below that number. Trump is interested in fair tariffs that will help the US workers. He is the Pres of the USA, his duty is to make the best deal for the USA. China is making concessions and he lifted the tariffs. The manufacturing base in the US has been decimated by bad trade deals.

Tariffs, especially tariffs on raw materials, are rarely good for workers.

Free trade works much better because it allows companies to purchase materials at the lowest price, which then means it can be sold cheaper allowing more people to buy it. Also, producers of the raw material can sell more of it and the demand is higher, which leads to a larger workforce and a higher profit for the producer.

Artificially inflating the price of materials like tariffs do ultimately gets passed down to the consumer, which means fewer people will be able to afford it leading to lower output and ultimately a loss of jobs.

You'd think Trump would understand this since he claims to be a champion of the free market. All he's really doing is steering the country towards protectionism, which doesn't work. One of the leading theories on what caused the Great Depression is protectionism.

With Canada and Mexico being part of NAFTA, he wants concessions, which they so far have said no to. The aluminum and steel tariffs are a way to make them concede something, which they will. The tariffs on the EU begin Friday, there are parts of the EU trade agreements he wants changed, thus the threat to impose tariffs. This is negotiation, in the past our presidents from (Bush, Clinton, Bush and Obama) did not do enough to keep our steel plants and other manufacturing plants viable. Again, one of his goals is to open up more plants which provide good pay for US workers. We will see how the EU and NAFTA respond. Detroit looks like a war zone, once the car plants packed up and moved elsewhere.

Detroit started looking like a war zone after the riots in 1967. The city never fully recovered from that and southeast Michigan continues to be one of the most segregated areas in the US today.

No amount of tariffs will make Detroit great again. What it needs is a government that isn't corrupt (I mean for godsakes one of the former mayors killed someone), a police force that isn't grossly understaffed, and a serious look at how the area still has a big racial barrier. They can also get rid of people trying to milk the city dry like the Pizza Pizza man himself Mike Illitch. Oh and not building new stadiums so ofter for horrid sports teams would help as well.
 
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The EU and NAFTA have already responded, its in the article I linked to.

Tariffs on US goods across the board, that will help US farmers, factories and manufacturing.

You know one of the reasons why Trump dropped tariffs with China? Because they called the US's bluff and simply stopped buying Soyabeans from the US (a major hit to US farmers) and simply bought them from Canada and Brazil.
http://www.businessinsider.com/china-soybean-imports-from-us-trade-war-trump-tariffs-2018-5

I guess not enough for Commerce Secretary Wilbur Wood. I am not sure what concessions the US wants, but in a negotiation there is give and take. The US has been gutted of it's ability to produce items like steel, the Secretary is trying to bring them back. Negotiation is back and forth, each side trying to make the best deal. I agree with your take on Detroit corruption.

"Talks with Canada and Mexico over the North American Free Trade Agreement had been "taking longer than we had hoped", he said.

He added: "We look forward to continued negotiations, both with Canada and Mexico on the one hand, and with the European Commission on the other hand, because there are other issues that we also need to get resolved."
 

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I guess not enough for Commerce Secretary Wilbur Wood. I am not sure what concessions the US wants, but in a negotiation there is give and take. The US has been gutted of it's ability to produce items like steel, the Secretary is trying to bring them back. Negotiation is back and forth, each side trying to make the best deal.

"Talks with Canada and Mexico over the North American Free Trade Agreement had been "taking longer than we had hoped", he said.

He added: "We look forward to continued negotiations, both with Canada and Mexico on the one hand, and with the European Commission on the other hand, because there are other issues that we also need to get resolved."
These aren't negotiations or talks, you do that without putting the tariffs in place. This is unilateral action by the US.

The US has put these in place, which has started a trade-war. Attempting to fight one would be challenging enough, Trump has just started one on two sides, one side of which happens to be the largest trading bloc on the planet!
 
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These aren't negotiations or talks, you do that without putting the tariffs in place. This is unilateral action by the US.

The US has put these in place, which has started a trade-war. Attempting to fight one would be challenging enough, Trump has just started one on two sides, one side of which happens to be the largest trading bloc on the planet!
My guess is some concessions are made and tariffs lifted in the not too distant future.
 

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My guess is some concessions are made and tariffs lifted in the not too distant future.
Given that the parties in this one are unlikely to grant favours to members of the Trump family and/or businesses that's going to prove a lot more difficult.

Its quite frankly a stupid way to go about it, and certainly doesn't put the US in a good light abroad. You don't keep friends if all you do is keep threatening them.

I've no idea if internally the average American is aware of the view the rest of the world has of the country now? On average its far from as favorable as it was.
http://www.pewglobal.org/2017/06/26...lics-around-world-question-trumps-leadership/