Does the anticipation of the next update demonstrate overall dissapointment in GT5?

[phil_75]

That's what gets me, so many people have been playing this game since It's release, over 6 months ago.
Personally I think GT5 is a brilliant game, but I think the reason its fans get so angry about how bad this game is supposed to be, on a website dedicated to the series, is that I think GT5 hasn't lived up to all its hype and expectations, it certainly didn't live up to mine.
Yet I find myself here still playing it almost 8 months down the line and still enjoying it
If the game was that bad I don't think people would bother putting in all these hours into the game.

The problem is the basic core physics engine is a thing of beauty, it's the part finished "package" that lets it down.

Would have been 10/10 as a £15 PSN online only game!

 

[Lucas]

I just don't get it so much drama lol. Does gt5 have some issue yes every-game does

True, every game does. Even my favorite game ever (Vagrant Story) has a slight issue. But the issues this game has are huge.

but to hear gt5 is a step back from gt4 is total bs.

Not really, no. You can't win prize cars repeteadly. We have this horrible money system that relies on grinding, along with the stupid level system, stupid paint system, and well, I could go on.

The only things I see GT5 being a step forward compared to GT4, are (you guessed it) the simulation aspects. As a game, it fails pretty hard. It could have been much better, but even simple things in concept (not sure how it would apply in practice) such as a paint system where you can paint your car whatever color you want, were not implemented. You could even choose to paint the car in colours you acquired previously by buying cars, like in GT5, to add more variety.

And my favorite comment is gt4 was better than gt5 or I got more out of gt4 than gt5. Which is bs Imo.

Not in my case. I actually enjoyed GT4 a thousand times more when I played for the first time, than when I played GT5 for the first time. Not to mention I played GT4 daily since I first got it, until I got bored around a year ago. GT5, on the other hand, is starting to bore me already, after only two weeks.

So, if I mean it, then others mean it as well.



Don't get me wrong. As a simulator, I'm pleased. I couldn't have expected more. Spinning out while driving a Lotus Elise is something that would have never happened to me in GT4. Frustrating, but feels good. But as a game, I really expected a general step forward. As it stands, the only gameplay feature I like is the paint system. It may not be perfect, but it's the best we have.

For now.

 

[another_jakhole]

That's what gets me, so many people have been playing this game since It's release, over 6 months ago.
Personally I think GT5 is a brilliant game, but I think the reason its fans get so angry about how bad this game is supposed to be, on a website dedicated to the series, is that I think GT5 hasn't lived up to all its hype and expectations, it certainly didn't live up to mine.
Yet I find myself here still playing it almost 8 months down the line and still enjoying it
If the game was that bad I don't think people would bother putting in all these hours into the game.

It is brilliant, and it shouldn't have as many duplicate complaints on GTPlanet of all places.

I just don't understand it. I come to this forum for a little perusing through and there's just so many complaints. And many loosely worded thread titles that turn into the same complaints within it. That's my main COMPLAINT. That the threads always turn into bash-central.

Troll He was trying to calm things down and you resort to childish name-calling.

Post reported

And that's totally unfair, considering the condescending remarks that come my way and I ignore them. The guy called me a newb for crying out loud. ON GTPLANET!!!!!!!!!!

I feel completely backed up into a corner after 10,500RPM popped up out of nowhere. I skipped coming back to this thread yesterday to refrain from any sort of arguments.

 

[another_jakhole]

The OP only has 3 posts. Meaning he made this thread and made a couple posts elsewhere, for us to carry on this thread like this.

In sincere honesty, why should these type of threads stay open? There are too many of them that turn out like this.

 

[another_jakhole]

And yet, GT5 fails in so many areas that even the previous GTs didn't have trouble in. It failed to have the FUN the previous games had. It's almost a little depressing. A lot of potential was wasted, that's for sure.

Maybe because you've been playing the same game for 14 years.

 

[JDMKING13]

True, every game does. Even my favorite game ever (Vagrant Story) has a slight issue. But the issues this game has are huge.

Not really, no. You can't win prize cars repeteadly. We have this horrible money system that relies on grinding, along with the stupid level system, stupid paint system, and well, I could go on.

The only things I see GT5 being a step forward compared to GT4, are (you guessed it) the simulation aspects. As a game, it fails pretty hard. It could have been much better, but even simple things in concept (not sure how it would apply in practice) such as a paint system where you can paint your car whatever color you want, were not implemented. You could even choose to paint the car in colours you acquired previously by buying cars, like in GT5, to add more variety.

Not in my case. I actually enjoyed GT4 a thousand times more when I played for the first time, than when I played GT5 for the first time. Not to mention I played GT4 daily since I first got it, until I got bored around a year ago. GT5, on the other hand, is starting to bore me already, after only two weeks.

So, if I mean it, then others mean it as well.

Don't get me wrong. As a simulator, I'm pleased. I couldn't have expected more. Spinning out while driving a Lotus Elise is something that would have never happened to me in GT4. Frustrating, but feels good. But as a game, I really expected a general step forward. As it stands, the only gameplay feature I like is the paint system. It may not be perfect, but it's the best we have.

For now.

I can respect your opinion but I don't agree with them. I will say it again GT5 is not a step back. Lets talk about the online aspect of the game which I didn't see you mention anything about. I have played GT5 for about 4 months in total, and with the online gameplay this game has giving me a better time than GT4 which we have played for countless years. I don't want to go off topic but I will say that GT5 has been out for about 6 months, and I read your gripes about the game. With the opportunity we have with DLC I'm sure GT5 will polish.

 

[Zuku]

Posted by JDMKING13

I can respect your opinion but I don't agree with them. I will say it again GT5 is not a step back. Lets talk about the online aspect of the game which I didn't see you mention anything about. I have played GT5 for about 4 months in total, and with the online gameplay this game has giving me a better time than GT4 which we have played for countless years. I don't want to go off topic but I will say that GT5 has been out for about 6 months, and I read your gripes about the game. With the opportunity we have with DLC I'm sure GT5 will polish.

I keep hearing you guys say GT5 didn't take a step back how come many of these features that were hyped up are nothing but a shell at this moment from what I can see.

PD might have the best physics of this generation, but that doesn't matter but to only so many people you got to have content and a fun factor which every other GT had.

 

[JDMKING13]

I keep hearing you guys say GT5 didn't take a step back how come many of these features that were hyped up are nothing but a shell at this moment from what I can see.

PD might have the best physics of this generation, but that doesn't matter but to only so many people you got to have content and a fun factor which every other GT had.

No problem man trust me I hear what all of you are saying, but right now my buddies and I are having a great time with GT5 and it can only get better with future DLC 👍

 

[Zuku]

JDMKING13

No problem man trust me I hear what all of you are saying, but right now my buddies and I are having a great time with GT5 and it can only get better with future DLC

See this is something I got a problem with the whole everything gets better with DLC. Only few companies have ever really heavily support their games after their release, and PD it's like they do and don't.

Looking at their current track record with these patches some have fixed some problems while others you might say why was this a priority over a,b,c, and d.

Like for instance as everyone keeps screaming about the tracks where are they I'd rather have them than the 3D, 1080p, Ps eye tracking, and other little things. That part is only in my opinion, but that sad part about the 1080p I've only seen one game so far do it the best and that's Wipeout HD/Fury.

 

[EDK]

Newb, listen, what other game has visuals that compare to GT5's photomode?

And that's what me and MoGoSpeed were talking about. Condescending, belittling.

You're just a jerk with no cause.

Great. Let's move on. You see how I called you out and then you started being polite? Jerk JERK JERK

dude **** you the game sucks and you know it your just to stupid to figure it out I mean all you have is to correct my spelling WOW I'm sorry that you didn't play GT2 the greatest one out of the whole series I'm just glad I didn't buy the $100 one and got mine second hand for $20 off craigslist

Enough of the bickering and double posting. This stops now.

 

[Pianoman]

What I like about GT5 is, that Kaz don´t want to see this release as a pure G A M E. The time when GT3 and GT4 was more about gaming then driving, doesn´t exist anymore in GT franchise. I´m satisfied with his vision and I hope that he will stay with his vision in further GT releases too. All the complains about GT5 are still the same. Go, play Forza 3 (perfect game that suits extremely well to your needs).

 

[Kobooi]

I'm anxiously waiting for the update, it drastically needs to improve its gameplay. When I start up the game -in the mood for some driving, not even racing- I pick the specific car I feel like driving and then... I'm stuck selecting an event. Either I race for peanuts on a track I don't like, because that's the only event that allows me to enter with that car, either I'm way overpowered or underpowered, because that's the only event on the track I want to drive on. Sometimes I can't find any event and I end up changing to a totally different car.

The seasonals bring some relief but it's not enough. Why do I need to start in last position, 15 seconds behind the pole position, having just a few laps to make up 15 seconds while passing 11 cars at the same time? Of course this can not lead to serious racing! Who at PD invents this kind of BS?

I think what happened is: bad product and project management, Kaz and his team of developers modeling the premium cars to an insane level and tweaking the physics engine, and then 1 guy 3 weeks before release getting the task to cook up sort of a game around it.

 

[Zuku]

@ Pianoman

I beg to differ when GT3 and GT4 release he still had a vision just that he knew the PS2 was limited. Just like you say all the complaints are the same why is that all the responses are as well such as yours "Go play Forza 3."

I don't think anyone's real thing is to see GT5 burn in hell all they want is a finished product when people are still waiting for patches and not even DLC you got a problem.

Another thing I've said this before but it's 2011 the bar has been raised by other racing games whether they be arcade or sim.

Casual gamer needs more than a photomode or even online to stay hooked. Just saying.

 

[corporatesteve]

And I hate how everyone says " oh it takes them a year to make a track and 6 months to make 1 car " . Yeah BS. The company can easily expand with the millions of revenue coming in and the backing of investors along side Sony. PD is trying to squeeze every amount of production he can on his limited group to make the most profit. However everyone is starting to realize they need to expand and make a better game. ( They know they have the capital to do it, but their allocation of resources is bad ). I havnt seen anything innovating that I havnt seen from previous versions. Gran Turismo is the new Apple of racing car games.

 

[Zuku]

Wow that one kind of hurt a bit on the inside, but alas it is true.

I know Kaz has this vision, but what's the point if you can't show it to anyone. You know that's what's going to happen if he trends down this road, but that's only a maybe.

 

[trk29]

Go, play Forza 3 (perfect game that suits extremely well to your needs).

Wow another go play another game comment. Thats as exciting to read as watching a dog take a ****.

Tell us all what this has to do with the conversation?

 

[C_Raccoon23]

What I like about GT5 is, that Kaz don´t want to see this release as a pure G A M E. The time when GT3 and GT4 was more about gaming then driving, doesn´t exist anymore in GT franchise. I´m satisfied with his vision and I hope that he will stay with his vision in further GT releases too. All the complains about GT5 are still the same. Go, play Forza 3 (perfect game that suits extremely well to your needs).

I totally agree.

I really hope to see in GT6 again a broken economy with insanely priced cars, poor money payouts, an even bigger B-spec mode to put even less emphasis on "the real driving simulator" which GT claims to be, by having you ride in the passenger seat of the car your B-spec driver is using, and the same wrecked level system with even less events to encourage insane amounts of grinding. Yeah, Kaz's vision is really something! Can't wait to see GT6 in 2020!

 

[dtn23]

All these threads turn into such flame wars, it's always all the same arguments. The long story short is: the people want more, and the customer is supposed to be right. And for all the 'go online, you won't be bored' people, I go online all the time, I'm still bored. Sorry. But that said, I only have GT and cod to amuse me until bf3 and mw3, so I'll keep playing and hoping for updates.

And try to keep in mind that their country just got molested by an earthquake, tsunami, and some nuclear radiation. Our 1.10 might not be the main priority over there with 130,000 people still out of their houses; not trying to be a hippie, I'm just saying

 

[Turkey :D]

Yep. The OP is spot on. I keep wanting updates in the hope that GT5 will be a more satisfying experience.

I actually play Gran Turismo 2 more than 5. The older Gran Turismo games are more fun.

 

[MoLiEG]

The game is six months old.

The fact that so many people still play it, after all this time, is the reason there is a lot of anticipation for a new update.

Past GT games were games you could play and have fun for ages... so we pretty much expected the same, or even more for GT5... that's why the dissapoint is so huge... 👎

 

[Zuku]

MoLiEG

Past GT games were games you could play and have fun for ages... so we pretty much expected the same, or even more for GT5... that's why the dissapoint is so huge...

This

It is very bad when your career in this game could be over in a matter of weeks compared to other GT games. Also as someone who's played the other games and isn't that great of a racer compared to others I don't like to hear "You can gold licenses very easy now." I actually like working for my licenses cause it gives me a sense of doing something great that took time.

 

[trk29]

It is true that the licenses are easier now but it is far from easy to get all gold!

The biggest dissapointment is it's easier to get gold in the S license than the other ones which doesn't make sense it should be the hardest.

 

[plate88]

I don't believe GT5 is a dissappointment. Is there shortcomings? Sure there is. From what Kaz said, he needed a few more years to wrap GT5 up properly. Slowly PD is smoothing out some of the rough edges which shows they're committed to their product. All we can hope is PD keeps working on it and maybe it'll be what everyone thought it would.

 

[CCXRacer]

I don't believe GT5 is a dissappointment. Is there shortcomings? Sure there is. From what Kaz said, he needed a few more years to wrap GT5 up properly. Slowly PD is smoothing out some of the rough edges which shows they're committed to their product. All we can hope is PD keeps working on it and maybe it'll be what everyone thought it would.

Crazy part is that with the "few more years" we would be looking at at least 8yrs of the development. that is nuts plain and simple. Put it this way if I was in 1st grade(by the time gt4 was released), I would be in highschool when gt5 would be released. When I was in 1st grade I was playing on a ps1 that was huge, look how far technology has come in that relative time.(BTW I'm a senior now in real life, so no confusion ha.)

 

[Pianoman]

Wow another go play another game comment. Thats as exciting to read as watching a dog take a ****.

Tell us all what this has to do with the conversation?

I apologise for my sentence "go...play Forza3". Actually I have never used this sentence before - really. But I cannot help myself. What I´m thinking about is the pure GT5 vision, which is (still... luckily... thanks to Kaz) a bit different. GT5 doesn´t mean "casual player" game. Yes, there are a bunch of semi-sim/arcade racing games with huge content with amazing graphics, overrated sound and immersion for casual players every two months (good example is Shift 2).

Whereas: GT5 is the only choice (on console) where you can DRIVE A CAR completely naturaly (hence the magic word: superb physics). When I´m driving a car in real life or when I´m racing in real life, I cannot do so "casual". That´s the difference in GT5.

In Forza 2 the physics is actually better (a bit more hardcore), whereas Forza 3 was intentionally made for "casual" players. Nothing wrong with Dan´s (Turn10) vision - they wanted make it different and attractive for a lots of people.

I just hope that there is still the chance that GT future releases will stay with Kaz´s different vision. Failing this, GT franchise will be more about "2 weeks playbality" then about hardcore simulated experience. GT5 has some faults, no doubt, but on the same time: we have iRacing and GT5 as only pure driving experience on the market yet.

A few months ago I have read ridiculous comment on the internet. "I have finally finished the FSX game" - (Flight Simulator X). Probably all missions they are included within this simulator. Whereas I use the FSX and X-Plane on regular basis in order to stay current on instruments, checklists and radionavigation flying.

The different GT5 vision cannot be applied for "causal player". But the world is different, the gaming industry is too fast and people are boring every 2 seconds (and unfortunately: it doesn´t matter which game they are playing).

BTW: Since January 2011, I have used probably only 3 cars and two tracks in GT5 (TT) on regular basis . I tested the Monaco track (which is included in GT5) a week ago for the first time! No, I don´t need huge content, for me it´s already there, just improvements would be fine - especially in online (league racing) departement.

 

[LANDO]

I am a huge fan of GT Series, but they are not committed to the users. They talk and promise thing and they never do what they say, what we need is a serious competitor to this anachronic series. Because PD does not keep their word. Lies lies lies.

 

[robbo6]

I apologise for my sentence "go...play Forza3". Actually I have never used this sentence before - really. But I cannot help myself. What I´m thinking about is the pure GT5 vision, which is (still... luckily... thanks to Kaz) a bit different. GT5 doesn´t mean "casual player" game. Yes, there are a bunch of semi-sim/arcade racing games with huge content with amazing graphics, overrated sound and immersion for casual players every two months (good example is Shift 2).

Whereas: GT5 is the only choice (on console) where you can DRIVE A CAR completely naturaly (hence the magic word: superb physics). When I´m driving a car in real life or when I´m racing in real life, I cannot do so "casual". That´s the difference in GT5.

In Forza 2 the physics is actually better (a bit more hardcore), whereas Forza 3 was intentionally made for "casual" players. Nothing wrong with Dan´s (Turn10) vision - they wanted make it different and attractive for a lots of people.

I just hope that there is still the chance that GT future releases will stay with Kaz´s different vision. Failing this, GT franchise will be more about "2 weeks playbality" then about hardcore simulated experience. GT5 has some faults, no doubt, but on the same time: we have iRacing and GT5 as only pure driving experience on the market yet.

A few months ago I have read ridiculous comment on the internet. "I have finally finished the FSX game" - (Flight Simulator X). Probably all missions they are included within this simulator. Whereas I use the FSX and X-Plane on regular basis in order to stay current on instruments, checklists and radionavigation flying.

The different GT5 vision cannot be applied for "causal player". But the world is different, the gaming industry is too fast and people are boring every 2 seconds (and unfortunately: it doesn´t matter which game they are playing).

BTW: Since January 2011, I have used probably only 3 cars and two tracks in GT5 (TT) on regular basis . I tested the Monaco track (which is included in GT5) a week ago for the first time! No, I don´t need huge content, for me it´s already there, just improvements would be fine - especially in online (league racing) departement.

GT5 obviously meets your requirements for a good game, fair enough. But why is it that those (like me) where it doesn't meet our requirements get a bit of a slagging?

It's not as if we're all troll complaining i.e. "GT5 Sucks", "GT5 is ****". Almost all complaint threads say EXACTLY what is wrong with the game to a very fine detail. This is what "constructive criticism" is all about.

And most complaints are about things that if sorted can ONLY IMPROVE the game! So why are so many so vehemently against complaining?!! And the one thing that ties all the complainers together is this:

WE ALL WANT GT5 TO BE BETTER THAN IT CURRENTLY IS.

WHY is that such a bad thing??!!

edit, post not specifically aimed at Pianoman, more at all those defending GT5.

 

[ucwepn]

For the money the disc cost I am extremely satisfied and its still my most played game and has the title as KING of console sims. Many games I can complete in 1 or 2 days (most recently bioshock 2 and RDR) but I seem to keep coming back to GT5 as I did with the other GT games it has high replay value to me as a RL car and motorsport junky it is heaven to me. Sure it has its flaws and its not perfect so any updates to fix some problems and add new content is welcome in my books. I'm still hunting for cars in desired colours and still racing online and still doing seasonals, I'm a former wow player so leveling and grinding in this game is minimal when I spent thousands of hours in MMO's so meh lol. Many will see it as a bad game as it doesn't do things well that other games have done but to me its more than a game.

my $0.02

Overall not disappointed!!

 

[NLxAROSA]

The different GT5 vision cannot be applied for "causal player". But the world is different, the gaming industry is too fast and people are boring every 2 seconds (and unfortunately: it doesn´t matter which game they are playing).

This is true, but unfortunately, there's a catch: casual players are by far the majority of gamers, so that's where the big money is. There is a small, dedicated hardcore sim crowd, that is willing to shell out serious cash, but those are into more dedicated and serious platforms, like iRacing. I am really curious how GT5/6/7 is going to address that, because right now, it's alienating both the casual gamer and the hardcore sim enthusiast.

That makes me wonder where it is heading and how they're going to make it commercially viable. A subscription model like iRacing maybe? A free or really cheap base version and lots of paid extras (PD/Sony actually hinted at that last option)?

 

[zanxion]

How envy of normal people that have managed to get themselves behave healthy (no grinding, no cars hunting...).