Does the anticipation of the next update demonstrate overall dissapointment in GT5?

[MeToo]

Yes is the answer to the original question, we have to rely on updates to stay interested. And why the bloody hell can't they include the ability to fast forward b spec in an update? This has got to be one of the biggest failures of GT5, having to takle 3 times as long to do a bspec race as what it did in GT4, this is a step backwards. Not only that the bspec races have more laps than the aspec versions and they pay less credits. People need to stop sucking off PD and learn to think critically, the game has so many flaws that it really is a step backwards from GT4, the debate is over, we have a consensus, the science is settled, we've reached the tipping point, anyone who disagrees must be a pad shill for big oil, I mean PD And if they can add new seasona;s while the PSN is down in Japan, how come they need to wait for the PSN in Japan to come back to do the next patch?

 

[robbo6]

Different opinions. Nobody's wrong unless you're looking at GT5 as a video game arcade shooter that has a story that can keep the series growing.

You're too late though. I'm going to watch something funny. Dirty Sanchez funny.

No...you ARE wrong for blindly defending such a flawed game.

Explain away the tyre temp physics then? or the brake balance?? Seeing as the physics is one of GT5 STRONG points.

Really Robbo?

I've already said I'm aware of criticism, and stated my stance.... to start throwing out "fanboys"..... what the funk... have we succumb to little kid language . I've said what I said and it has nothing to do with "fanboism", but understanding.

Yup, because what you and jakhole don't seem to understand that if someone complains about something and then nothing gets done about it they don't just say "ooh...well we've complained once that's enough". No you have to keep on complaining until something gets done, if you believe enough and are passionate enough about the issues. Those who are not passionate about the issues have already moved on.

Previous GTs had HUGE gaming lifespans from the beginning, people were bored with GT5 after a few MONTHS and the recent problems in Japan and with PSN have PROVEN that to rely on adding content pre launch is VERY flawed as no-one can predict what problems will crop up. PD should have ensured that GT5 had sufficient content from the beginning, how bloody hard is it to set up a race series in the game, seeing as you two are "experts" in programming let us "noobs" in on the secrets. I'm of the opinion that creating a race series is probably a rather simple process with the edditing tools.

 

[MoGoSpeed]

Yes is the answer to the original question, we have to rely on updates to stay interested. And why the bloody hell can't they include the ability to fast forward b spec in an update? This has got to be one of the biggest failures of GT5, having to takle 3 times as long to do a bspec race as what it did in GT4, this is a step backwards. Not only that the bspec races have more laps than the aspec versions and they pay less credits. People need to stop sucking off PD and learn to think critically, the game has so many flaws that it really is a step backwards from GT4, the debate is over, we have a consensus, the science is settled, we've reached the tipping point, anyone who disagrees must be a pad shill for big oil, I mean PD And if they can add new seasona;s while the PSN is down in Japan, how come they need to wait for the PSN in Japan to come back to do the next patch?

Is it not obvious why they wait for everything to be up for the next big patch.

 

[MoGoSpeed]

No...you ARE wrong for blindly defending such a flawed game.

Explain away the tyre temp physics then? or the brake balance?? Seeing as the physics is one of GT5 STRONG points.



Yup, because what you and jakhole don't seem to understand that if someone complains about something and then nothing gets done about it they don't just say "ooh...well we've complained once that's enough". No you have to keep on complaining until something gets done, if you believe enough and are passionate enough about the issues. Those who are not passionate about the issues have already moved on.

Previous GTs had HUGE gaming lifespans from the beginning, people were bored with GT5 after a few MONTHS and the recent problems in Japan and with PSN have PROVEN that to rely on adding content pre launch is VERY flawed as no-one can predict what problems will crop up.

What do u mean nothing get's done about it. It seems PD has been updating more than any game in hopes to try and fix anything they can that the community wants. What other console game is as so close to it's community? No other game has these arguments. That's the feat that GT is.

 

[BradKinder]

Great. Let's move on. You see how I called you out and then you started being polite? Jerk JERK JERK

You don't seem to get it. I see it all the time on these newb swarm forums online these days. People don't get that PS3 and XBOX360 just don't have very good graphics. All the games are very much under full 1080p/720p resolution. They all get upscaled to fit your screen. The FPS in every game is also very much under 60fps. It's all covered up with AA and motion blur gimmicks. Since every game is like that, people have starting thinking that a game that's got a different kind of blur or AA type is somehow truly 1080p or 60fps. They aren't. They're just upscaling some low-res under filtered but motion blurred graphics. whatever though.

I'm not being a jerk. Just trying to get people to understand that very few things consumers are able to plug into their 1080p tvs truly take advantage of them. The very best cable television at 1080i has, to the older pc enthusiast, completely unacceptable pixelation artifacts on a regular basis. And Blu rays in 24hz display mode is a major letdown in this age of high powered graphics chips. But unless you have a $2000 PC to plug into your tv, it's hard to prove to you people that think they know what 1080p@60fps means. When you really think that a PS3 or XBOX360 has shown you what that is. Maybe I should stop trying. Lol, nah. I won't

BTW, GT5 is cool. I like it. Worst part is the missing tracks of GT4 and GT3. Oh, and the missing multiplayer seasonal event races. The rest is pretty damn sweet.

 

[trk29]

Metal Gear has a story to tell. Kaz has realism to provide. People thought the cutscenes were too long and hated it. The fans who loved the story loved it.
GT can only do so much. What else do you want? It's not a CoD because that's an arcade game. It's not Metal Gear, because that's an amazing game with a beautiful story. Don't compare GT5 to anything that doesn't strive to be a SIM.

Atleat you can skip through the cutscenes insteand of dragging things out like pressing ok 6 times just to equip a part on a car. I would like to skip that wouldn't you? Or you do you love the animations over and over?

I knew that if I tried to compare the two on just the fact that they are video games was the wrong idea and thought twice before I posted it. My intent was to show that according to fan base Kaz has failed where Hideo has excelled.
And they both have been doing the same thing. PS1, PS2, PS3, and PSP games.

Considering all that, you want Kaz to keep GT5 like GT1 and GT2 and GT3 were. Every single map, menu, song, and sound effects those had. Learn to accept change.

Quit putting words in my mouth I said none of that.

Minus the music part, most of GT5 is made up with parts of the previous titles. Most of the cars and some of the tracks so this should have been easier for him since he didn't have to remake alot of the stuff in the game.

Explain this then. What about all those people that have GT5 and don't have internet? What about those lost souls. If the game is so perfect then why are they updating it? My buddy has GT5, bought it with his new slim. And his game is totally different than mine and is going to be way more different (hopefully) when this next update comes out. Now he is going to have a very different GT5 than I do.

 

[BradKinder]

I forgot to mention that photo mode is, of course, an exception. But it only does 1 frame. Fps doesn't even exist for photo mode.

 

[robbo6]

What do u mean nothing get's done about it. It seems PD has been updating more than any game in hopes to try and fix anything they can that the community wants. What other console game is as so close to it's community? No other game has these arguments. That's the feat that GT is.

That's another area PD are cocking up in...the updates are not adressing the concerns of the community. The only one I can think of is the race transmission that SHOULD HAVE BEEN ADJUSTABLE FROM THE START!

They brought in single file rolling starts, WHO likes this over standing starts and side by side rolling starts??

the AI is WORSE, it BACKS off and makes some overtakes shockingly easy and carrys next to no corner speed at the apex of a corner and if you get to close....they back off the throttle and you punt them up the butt. Maybe it's the way I play the game, but I go for handling over speed so I NEED corner speed and corner exit to do well and the AI is AWFUL for that.

And if you think GT is CLOSE to it's community then look at the feedback section and see what PD are actually doing in the areas the community wants.

 

[sebbemann]

I also completely agree with Toronado and the OP.

wops, didn't see there were several pages of post. Thought it was only one

 

[eran0004]

oh yeah it would be very nice to race online if i could actually get online , 9 times out of 10 i get error messages , or "you have been disconnected from the server" when trying to enter a room.
i also play shift 2 , dirt 3 , f1 2010 , and i have never had this problem with any of those

Funny, I only get such messages 1 time out of 50 at most. Seems like it's a problem on your end of the line...

 

[trk29]

Well that debate ended just as quickly as it started.

 

[MoGoSpeed]

Well that debate ended just as quickly as it started.

That's usually how it works.

 

[trk29]

Not when both sides are passionate with what they are debating.

 

[robbo6]

That's usually how it works.

that usually means someone can't argue against someones point.

care to back up your claim that PD listens to the community?

 

[eran0004]

The tyre temp is not calculated middle, inner, outer....which I'm sure anyone with a passing knowledge of tye physics will say is hugely wrong....watch a real tyre technician do a temp test on a tyre and see where he takes the temps.

Yeah, but you're missing one important aspect: Why is the tire technician taking temperature readings for inner thread, center thread and outer thread?

The answer is that it's order to evaluate the tire pressure. At ideal pressure, the temperature should be the same in all three areas. Scince we can't adjust tire pressure in GT5 there's no use for it. We just have to assume that the tire pressure is ideal as it is. That is the ONLY reason to measure tire temperature in inner, center and outer.

In actual racing, tire temperature in three zones is not as important as you may think. The only thing that matters is the tire temperature of the area that's having contact with the track. If the inner thread of the tire is lower temperature than the outer, well that's an interesting fact, but to simulate actual racing it doesn't mean horse-**** because you're only racing on the hot area of the tire (in this case the outer thread) and that is the temperature that you see on the indicator in GT5.

Sure, for setting up the suspension camber and toe it could be nice with some visual cues to see if you're using the entire tire or not, but for the actual simulation of tire grip you only need one temperature for each tire - as that temperature will be the temperature of the part of the tire that's providing (most of) the grip.

 

[MoGoSpeed]

that usually means someone can't argue against someones point.

care to back up your claim that PD listens to the community?

I've already stated my point.

PD does listen listen to the community. With each update they've done certain things that the community has wanted. Of course they can't do everything, but they're slowly do what they can.

I don't know what your looking for.

 

[another_jakhole]

That's usually how it works.

It's pathetic there are people here who feel it's good to keep coming back here and post negativity toward PD and GT5. It's GTPlanet. What's wrong with them?

 

[MoGoSpeed]

Not when both sides are passionate with what they are debating.

I can't say more than what I've said.... YOU OR THE MAJORITY has no idea what it takes to make a game.

 

[MoGoSpeed]

It's pathetic there are people here who feel it's good to keep coming back here and post negativity toward PD and GT5. It's GTPlanet. What's wrong with them?

I have no idea, but it seems like people think Kaz set out not to do his best at the benifit of i dunno.

 

[trk29]

It's pathetic there are people here who feel it's good to keep coming back here and post negativity toward PD and GT5. It's GTPlanet. What's wrong with them?

I never left so I could not come back, you never responded to my last post so both of you gave up on the debate. I asked what happened and his response was "thats how it works".

I will even double post maybe that is why you missed it.

Atleat you can skip through the cutscenes insteand of dragging things out like pressing ok 6 times just to equip a part on a car. I would like to skip that wouldn't you? Or you do you love the animations over and over?

I knew that if I tried to compare the two on just the fact that they are video games was the wrong idea and thought twice before I posted it. My intent was to show that according to fan base Kaz has failed where Hideo has excelled.
And they both have been doing the same thing. PS1, PS2, PS3, and PSP games.


Quit putting words in my mouth I said none of that.

Minus the music part, most of GT5 is made up with parts of the previous titles. Most of the cars and some of the tracks so this should have been easier for him since he didn't have to remake alot of the stuff in the game.

Explain this then. What about all those people that have GT5 and don't have internet? What about those lost souls. If the game is so perfect then why are they updating it? My buddy has GT5, bought it with his new slim. And his game is totally different than mine and is going to be way more different (hopefully) when this next update comes out. Now he is going to have a very different GT5 than I do.

 

[LMSCorvetteGT2]

Prologue isn't even half of GT5. And the condescending remarks are ok because PD "didn't finish GT5". They're overlooked now because people think GT5 is unfinished for 5 years of development. What racing game on a game console has ever had the trouble PD had to go through to even contemplate doing GT5? All the research. Apparently, no one knows what it takes to even program. Programming a simulation on the most difficult console of this generation. A simulation. Not CoD. Where arcade features are what sells the game.

When even the creator comes out his self and expresses the same issues with the game we have you have to stop arguing and realize yeah it's not finished. If Kaz says yeah we needed more time because the game could have used it and been so much better then yeah I would say the game in not what the original vision is. But I'm sure you guys will say that "well every humble maker says that to be modest" no cause the truth is his other games met what they were trying to achieve and GT5 though is better than Forza I feel fell short of what came before it and needs work. You can’t sit there and say the standard cars don't look at times like reworked renditions of what GT3 had for graphics. All cars on this game should have been premium for the time frame they had. The system is almost five years old and has gone through revamped versions already and you're going to tell all of us that they harnessed all they could out of it?

 

[MoGoSpeed]

When even the creator comes out his self and expresses the same issues with the game we have you have to stop arguing and realize yeah it's not finished. If Kaz says yeah we needed more time because the game could have used it and been so much better then yeah I would say the game in not what the original vision is. But I'm sure you guys will say that "well every humble maker says that to be modest" no cause the truth is his other games met what they were trying to achieve and GT5 though is better than Forza I feel fell short of what came before it and needs work. You can’t sit there and say the standard cars don't look at times like reworked renditions of what GT3 had for graphics. All cars on this game should have been premium for the time frame they had. The system is almost five years old and has gone through revamped versions already and you're going to tell all of us that they harnessed all they could out of it?

That's what GT5 is....... you don't think they would have produced more if they could.

Cmon people.

 

[LMSCorvetteGT2]

The majority still play it.
What other games puts up polls like this.

No the majority doesn't play the game...look at the number or is basic math a vague concept. The poll shows that only about 30% to date still play the game all the time and love it. While the nearly 60% don't play it all or maybe once in a long time. If I play the game once every three weeks yes I'm playing it but I'm quite far from consistent with playing the game and tend to either a. play other games more often or b. do something else.

 

[LMSCorvetteGT2]

That's what GT5 is....... you don't think they would have produced more if they could.

Cmon people.

You obviously don't understand anything of what I just said, bravo buddy "u b such a guud deb8r"

 

[LMSCorvetteGT2]

I never left so I could not come back, you never responded to my last post so both of you gave up on the debate. I asked what happened and his response was "thats how it works".

I will even double post maybe that is why you missed it.

Sir besides Tornado you are absolutely right. Hideo has not only achieved on this system once, but soon to be twice with the release of MGS5 that comes out this year. Hideo made an amazing game with MGS4 soon after the PS4 came out and may do it again on the same system but with a new style of game play. Yet Kaz and PD can't that with one in 6 years...you've made a valid point and these other two obviously don't get it. To me it seems like they went more along the lines with the 2005 E3 trailer when they first announced they were building the game.

 

[MoGoSpeed]

You obviously don't understand anything of what I just said, bravo buddy "u b such a guud deb8r"

I understand every bit.

You obviously don't understand my statements.

Internet Lingo FTW right.

 

[MoGoSpeed]

Sir besides Tornado you are absolutely right. Hideo has not only achieved on this system once, but soon to be twice with the release of MGS5 that comes out this year. Hideo made an amazing game with MGS4 soon after the PS4 came out and may do it again on the same system but with a new style of game play. Yet Kaz and PD can't that with one in 6 years...you've made a valid point and these other two obviously don't get it. To me it seems like they went more along the lines with the 2005 E3 trailer when they first announced they were building the game.

And actually MGS4 got so much ish for long cut scenes and being to movie like, and reviewers would say Kojima should make movies instead of games.

Look in the mirror.

I FOR ONE LOVED MGS4.... been playing it since MGS1. And hated those discriminatory comments against MGS4 as that's the type of gaming experience I pursue in my creations.

Don't tell me about "getting it"...I DO IT.

 

[Thrawn]

There a lot of problems with the game and the reason why people keep playing it is complex. And even still people feel unhappy with the game. It has nothing to do with simulation part (Good or mediocre, its up to you to decide). It's a bad GAME, not a bad simulator. Its 2010 and being just accurate simulator is not enough, people want polished online play, stuff to do, stuff that keeps them playing. A lot of people saying that online play is key to good time spending, while its obvious that online lacks SO many features like matchmaking, stats and more.
So what im saying? Nice sim, BAD game. PD isn't some small dev. like guys behind LFS. You can't say - they had no time, no money, no opportunity. Their game is one of the reasons people WILL pick ps3 over xbox. You really think that they couldn't ask more people to help them build better game? Pff. PD clearly don't care what year it is 1990 or 2010. Having plot on the back side of the RPG game's box WAS enough. Time passed, PD stayed in era where people have low demands.
PS
To all people who says - But i'm playing and GT5 is best game i ever had!
You r deluding yourself a little. If u r ok with the game, its fine, keep playing. That's doesn't mean that its game's quality that keeps you. It's you. You okay with stuff that u have. Some people don't.

 

[Sele1981]

Was it unreasonable for us to expect more from a game with six years of development time? Was it unreasonable for us to expect more A-spec content from the series rather than less? Was it unreasonable for us to expect premium quality graphics on all the cars? Was it unreasonable for us to expect the 1000 different cars they promised, and not the 600 cars that were delivered? After all 50 skylines is still just 50 versions of 1 car, and no PD, taking a stripe of a Ford GT does not make it a complete different car! Neither does its paint scheme!

For me it´s not the lack of less content but more the races... No restrictions... No use of tyre wear, no use of fuel, no use of mechanical damage... For what did they implement it then? I don´t care about the seasonal events... I want the old A-Spec races where you get such excited when you win and get an awesome price car plus better content plus better AI... It´s lame to select slower cars then the AI only to have a bit fun and not lead after lap 1...

There were only a very few races that were fun, the dreamcar challenge maybe... and one or two more...

I also agree, overall the game is an 6/10... The only fun thing in that game is hotlapping... But then, we not even got online leaderboards...

 

[MoGoSpeed]

There a lot of problems with the game and the reason why people keep playing it is complex. And even still people feel unhappy with the game. It has nothing to do with simulation part (Good or mediocre, its up to you to decide). It's a bad GAME, not a bad simulator. Its 2010 and being just accurate simulator is not enough, people want polished online play, stuff to do, stuff that keeps them playing. A lot of people saying that online play is key to good time spending, while its obvious that online lacks SO many features like matchmaking, stats and more.
So what im saying? Nice sim, BAD game. PD isn't some small dev. like guys behind LFS. You can't say - they had no time, no money, no opportunity. Their game is one of the reasons people WILL pick ps3 over xbox. You really think that they couldn't ask more people to help them build better game? Pff. PD clearly don't care what year it is 1990 or 2010. Having plot on the back side of the RPG game's box WAS enough. Time passed, PD stayed in era where people have low demands.
PS
To all people who says - But i'm playing and GT5 is best game i ever had!
You r deluding yourself a little. If u r ok with the game, its fine, keep playing. That's doesn't mean that its game's quality that keeps you. It's you. You okay with stuff that u have. Some people don't.

It's the best driving experience I need, because of the quality of the physics. Delude yourself to the gaming aspects because you want to play a game. If your not ok with the game it's YOU, play something else. Some people do.