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you got GYPED! I got the best monster HDMI cable money can buy for $40US (Yes it WAS worth it).
Especially since tests and reviews show that it doesn't even matter what kind of HDMI cable you buy, unless it's longer than 2 meters in length.
The price of GT5 when it is released will be around £40, and considering that Kazunori has stated that there will be NEW cars that have not been in previous GT's, and also taking into account that each NEW car has to be modeled from scratch and takes several developers at PD around 3 months per car in order to achieve the quality of modeling required for the games high graphical standards, i'd say that £40 is good value for money. The amount of time, effort and money that is going into creating these cars, with the technology to perform the tasks and the man power to achieve it, it must come to a small fortune. So as you have estimated it at 1p per car, i'd say PD are being generous in charging us £40 for for the game. You may say, but PD have already charged us £20 for prologue thats only a demo, but the fact that prologue has got more content in it than most other racing games, including it's online function, kind of puts that arguement aside. Future DLC packs for GT5p/GT5 may seem over priced to some people, but it's PD's way of making some profit back on the vast amounts of money they spent on buying the rights to use the new cars, and the time and money it took to model the new cars fom scratch. Maybe the price for the DLC packs won't be as high as some people think, but however PD incorporate the DLC packs, I think it will be worth it for the further enjoyment of, what I think is a great game. 
Zero chances. Knowing that a BD disc holds 50 or 100 GB depending on the type it's quite safe to assume GT5 is going to use at least that 50 GB. Maybe 10 GB of it is on the Prologue disc already, which leaves at least 40 GB, maybe even 90 GB, to be downloaded and installed on the hard drive. The PS3 is shipped with a 40 GB drive that has a real capacity of around 35 GB after formatting and installing the firmware. Do the maths and you'll realize that GT5P simply can't be evolved into GT5.
I don't disasgree with this, I have Prologue and I didn't mind paying for it. BTW it takes a lot less than 3 months for several developers at PD to model 1 car, it's 3 months os 1 workers resources, you put 3 peoples resources into it it's 1 month 6 and it's half a month etc.
Well I don't drink half pints, so I wouldn't go into pub number 2.
Which is why I buy no-name HDMI cables and cheap component cables too. For speaker wire, I spent a lil extra on getting something with decent insulation (like $35 for 100 feet or something like that).
First off, the figures I'm speculating about are based on figures used for DLC already available, for example Forza 2 was charing £5 for 10 cars, that is a substantial profit for Turn10 when you compare that the core game came with 300 cars and yet that cost only £40, for £40 DLC you would get 80 cars. Now say what you want, but £40 for 80 cars content and that is all, just content seperate from the game is a rip off. Take GT5
the game comes with 5 tracks and lets say 70 cars, I can't recal the exact number but it' around that. So that is beside the rest of the game, 75 units of content. So you take thoes 75 units and divide them by the cost of the game, which leaves you with 0.26666 or 27 pence per unit in GT5's case. So at the very most, what you are paying per car in GT5 is just under 27 pence. If PD came out and said here's 2 cars to download for £10 which you've jsut said you're okay with, fogive my maths, but that is a substantial increase over 27 pence. Remember also that retailing the game with this ammount of content with this value per unit of content still turns a profit for PD. goes to the shops and towards packaging and distribution. these are things that DLC doesn't have to go through, meaning the only charges are related to the costs of hosting the content on a server, which is very cheap for PD to do. Ofcourse you have to factor into DLC' prices the fact that not everyone with the game will buy it, to turn a profit they will have to recoup a certain cost. would take seveal years just to create the cars we currently have. PD has simply used a common stratergy to say "look guys, what we're doing takes a lot of resources", the reality is yes they do, but it's not a literal figure he's throwing around it's an if figure.
First off, the figures I'm speculating about are based on figures used for DLC already available, for example Forza 2 was charing £5 for 10 cars, that is a substantial profit for Turn10 when you compare that the core game came with 300 cars and yet that cost only £40, for £40 DLC you would get 80 cars. Now say what you want, but £40 for 80 cars content and that is all, just content seperate from the game is a rip off. Take GT5
Ontop of that, a large part of the £20 cost of GT5
So now we have in game content valued at 27p per item, DLC that at 27p provides PD with a higher markup than the ingame content but it has a lower expectation of sales volume. So you take that 27p and let's say they estimate half the number of people who own the game will buy the conents, they could price it at 54p per item. At 54p per item, if half the number of game owners buy it PD are making more than the same profit per item they provide on the disk.
A fair price for per car downloads is imo in the region of 20-25p per car and 30-45p per track. Because of the lack of packaging, distribution and sales costs PD make more of a markup also the original 27p per item price covers the wohle game the realisty is that each iteam is worth less than that when you take percentages of price off for other things like research of physics, development of the game engine itself, advertising the game etc. The actual disk value of these items is more likey to be closer to 10p per item when everything else is factored in.
You keep going round in circles and finding ways to dodge the fact that DLC costs less to get to the user than disk content does, the fact developers are often charging a lot more. Developers like PD don't have 2 people working on each car and that is it, they have 20 people working on the cars, the cars are built very quick. Do you thin if it was a literal 3 months per car GT5 would ever see the light of day. It would take decades to finish, even GT5
without dodging the fact that DLC costs less to get to you or me or anyone else online, how is charing so much more for it justifiable? Paying ewages isn't a valid reason, PD pay the wages on the disk sales, and I've already worked out that the content on disk sales has a very low value. so how can you justify it?
First off, the figures I'm speculating about are based on figures used for DLC already available, for example Forza 2 was charing £5 for 10 cars, that is a substantial profit for Turn10 when you compare that the core game came with 300 cars and yet that cost only £40, for £40 DLC you would get 80 cars. Now say what you want, but £40 for 80 cars content and that is all, just content seperate from the game is a rip off. Take GT5
Ontop of that, a large part of the £20 cost of GT5
So now we have in game content valued at 27p per item, DLC that at 27p provides PD with a higher markup than the ingame content but it has a lower expectation of sales volume. So you take that 27p and let's say they estimate half the number of people who own the game will buy the conents, they could price it at 54p per item. At 54p per item, if half the number of game owners buy it PD are making more than the same profit per item they provide on the disk.
A fair price for per car downloads is imo in the region of 20-25p per car and 30-45p per track. Because of the lack of packaging, distribution and sales costs PD make more of a markup also the original 27p per item price covers the wohle game the realisty is that each iteam is worth less than that when you take percentages of price off for other things like research of physics, development of the game engine itself, advertising the game etc. The actual disk value of these items is more likey to be closer to 10p per item when everything else is factored in.
You keep going round in circles and finding ways to dodge the fact that DLC costs less to get to the user than disk content does, the fact developers are often charging a lot more. Developers like PD don't have 2 people working on each car and that is it, they have 20 people working on the cars, the cars are built very quick. Do you thin if it was a literal 3 months per car GT5 would ever see the light of day. It would take decades to finish, even GT5
without dodging the fact that DLC costs less to get to you or me or anyone else online, how is charing so much more for it justifiable? Paying ewages isn't a valid reason, PD pay the wages on the disk sales, and I've already worked out that the content on disk sales has a very low value. so how can you justify it?
I'm not asking for if's and why's on why, whether and when people actualy pay for DLC. I'm meerly debating the justification of the prices. I know it's about maximising profit, but in doing this the punters get royally shafted in terms of true item value. I know that I'm not likely to see the prices I referred to as good value imo, but that doesn't amke my point any less valid or correct.
