Drag Racing

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Do you like Drag-Racing (gt4)?

  • Yeah, especially when i'm racing online!

    Votes: 161 60.3%
  • Don't care, i'll complete GT4....all golds if possible!

    Votes: 88 33.0%
  • Noahhhhh.........i don't like the idea at all!

    Votes: 18 6.7%

  • Total voters
    267
Absolutely amazing. And let me do some pre-emptive argueing here:

Anyone who wants to argue that 5.5 sec is not a 4 sec 1/4, and 250mph is not 300, shut up right now. This was a pet project by Bob Norwood not a full-out racing effort. This was done with a fraction of the budget/R&D/time of what any individual funny car team puts into their car. Their results were impressive and shows that a 4 cyl. can be very effective as a race engine.
 
Lethalchem
I don't see any 4sec 300+mph runs being made in 4cyl cars.

DelaWhereTSi
Maybe you should try looking a little harder.

4,000 HP Integra
Maybe you should learn how to read: "The Type R drag car and Max-4 powerplant are designed to deliver 250 mph and 5.50-second quarter-mile performance on alcohol and nitromethane. "

That's also in a car that has been changed to duplicate a RWD V8 as much as it possibly can. What a wanna be. 👎


"At 286 cubic inches, the engine is clearly the largest non-aviation four-banger ever constructed in modern times." No replacement for displacement. 💡
 
^ I already made my point on this. And of course it duplicates the Pro RWD, that has been developed heavily over the last few decades.

DelaWhereTSi
Anyone who wants to argue that 5.5 sec is not a 4 sec 1/4, and 250mph is not 300, shut up right now. This was a pet project by Bob Norwood not a full-out racing effort. This was done with a fraction of the budget/R&D/time of what any individual funny car team puts into their car. Their results were impressive and shows that a 4 cyl. can be very effective as a race engine.
 
DelaWhereTSi
^ I already made my point on this. And of course it duplicates the Pro RWD, that has been developed heavily over the last few decades.

I stopped reading as soon as you told me and my opinions to "shut up". My statement still stands, regardless of why the car was built.
 
loki993
i have no problem giving respect where its due. the problem i have is all the guys out there, and they seem to be the majority, at least where i am, that think hod rodding a car consists of huge triple decker wings, body kits, clear taillights, underbody lights and huge tennis ball shooter exhaust and an intake. sometimes they have those "pretty" colored plug wires. then the guys that do have somethings done to their car, did it all with a check book. im not saying that you at all. but there out there and therres a lot of them. them on top of that they race on the street, and go way too fast,ive done it, im no saint, but there a limit and i never cross it, they do, weave in and out of traffic, block all the lanes when their not doing the other two. there dangerous and seem to have no common sense. what in saying is theres a lot of guys that give other guys, the ones who actually care more about going fast that looking good and that know the 100lbs of speakers and playstations and whatever else isnt going to help them go faster. those are they guys that annly me and those are the guys im talking about when i geting arguments like this. their the majority, at least where i am. then there are guys who just use plain false info to justify it, that say their cheaper and get better gas milage. after all that stuff they dont. you shoud know that. and their not cheaper. at best it cost the same, at worst its more, mostly, at least by what ive seen its more. youre a perfece example, 12000 invested and running 11.8. you can do that with a v-8 muscle car for half that, maybe a little more depending on the car, this is not a flame, if you like what youre doing, which you do, keep doing it. but the guys i talked about eariler give guys like you a bad name, you dont seem to be what the import thing is all about, and that sad. if there were more like you it would be alot better, but we see these idiots everyday.

the import thing is more about flash than dash. and i dont see it changing anytime soon.


yeah I hate those guys too, other than some 15" wheels my car looks totally stock (well it's lowered). and man the ricers are still always trying to race me on the freeway and **** it pisses me off. but I know what you mean, there are a lot of guys like that and they do give us a bad image, mostly they got into imports after the fast and the furious came out.

and if anyone says that running a honda is cheaper than running a V8 they're on crack. parts cost twice as much! still it's fun and I like doing it. of course if I were rich my garage would include a sick Evo for street/roadrace driving and a backhalfed mustang with a fat turbo to play around in a straight line :)

and to the guy who said the tech is the same as it was 40 years ago, maybe in some classes that have very restrictive rules, but overall what about EFI and advances in ignition systems? Oh and in 1960 could you buy aluminum race heads for a 350 right out of the summit catalog (maybe you could I don't know)? There is definitely still developement going on with the old V8s just not as much since they have become so formulaic (block x + head y = horsepower z). All I meant is that we have not had as long to learn how to extract maximum power out of our motors!
 
DelaWhereTSi
Absolutely amazing. And let me do some pre-emptive argueing here:

Anyone who wants to argue that 5.5 sec is not a 4 sec 1/4, and 250mph is not 300, shut up right now. This was a pet project by Bob Norwood not a full-out racing effort. This was done with a fraction of the budget/R&D/time of what any individual funny car team puts into their car. Their results were impressive and shows that a 4 cyl. can be very effective as a race engine.

I think it was said: "Desperation is a stinky cologne". LOL

These numbers aren't what I asked for, and........no I won't shut up until you admit your misgivings :sly: 👎

Lethalchem: couldn't a said it better! 👍

Tony
 
slowegxxrevolt
Anyone who knows anything about Bob Norwood should realize that the fact that he is involved in imports is meaningful in itself...

Never heard of him. Do you know Mr. Henley? He was my high school band teacher. It would be meaningful if I found out he was involved in import racing too! I wouldn't have seen that one coming! :lol:
 
Lethalchem
Never heard of him. Do you know Mr. Henley? He was my high school band teacher. It would be meaningful if I found out he was involved in import racing too! I wouldn't have seen that one coming! :lol:

Who is Bob Norwood?

BobNorwood has 137 listings in the Guinness Book of Automotive World Records. Creative thinking and technical insight have led to his many innovative developments in the areas of supercar and high-performance automotive design.

Norwood founded Norwood Autocraft in Dallas, Texas, during the late seventies. The initial focus of the business was vintage Ferrari restoration and service. Norwood's first cars were a Ferrari 330 2+2 road car and a Boano Ferrari club racer. Focus shifted to full car construction of performance automobiles, including racing cars, in later years.

Concentrating initially on Ferraris, Norwood built a Ferrari V-12, Ferrari speed record cars and authentic Ferrari P-4 replicas. The first Ferrari replica was a 59/TR (Testarossa) built in 1981. Creation of four replicas began the same year. The year 1985 brought about the 1967 330/P4 replica, the vehicle that captured the 1967 Manufacturers' Championship for Ferrari. Norwood is still manufacturing these replicas today. Also in 1985, Norwood built a 83/308 Ferrari, the first with programmable fuel injection that competed on the Bonneville Salt Flats setting the F-GT and F-Modified class speed records at 168 mph and 170 mph. Those records still stand. During 1988 Norwood built a Ferrari GTO to Bonneville race specs and ran it at 267 mph, a record that still stands as the fastest Ferrari in the world. Ferrari GTO V-8's and V12's are still current projects. Norwood built his favorite type of of runner - a nearly stock intercooled twin turbo Ferrari Testarossa that could top out at 210 mph. The car won the Road & Track Shootout that year. Norwood is still manufacturing the Testarossa with the most recent test obtaining over 1000 hp at the rear wheels of a street car.

Norwood has turned his own racing career into a racing future for race teams. Currently, Norwood Autocraft builds race and street motors for several teams. He has spent long hours turning empty frames into well constructed racing machines. Fuel injection and engine management continue to keep Norwood on the leading edge of technology.

Norwood's passion for automobiles started at a young age. Bob Norwood began his racing career at age 13, driving a 1946 Ford Coupe, in Kansas where he competed in his first drag race. He continued drag racing while in high school, driving a six cylinder GMC G-Gas Coupe and later an A-Sports Corvette. After graduation Anderson Motors, a Chrysler dealer, sponsored Norwood requiring him to "get rid of the Corvette." Instead, they provided an altered wheel base funny car, an AFX Hemi Plymouth, following with three Hahn SS/DA Hemi-Cuda's. In 1971 he raced superstocks in a Hemi-Cuda reached number two in the world A/FC point standings. Norwood raced an AA/FC with Dale Armstrong and eventually moved to race the Lone Star Flyer, a BB/FC car.

Cam AM racing began in 1982 for Norwood with the purchase of the 1979 Citi-Corp Championship car from Carl Hass. He ran SCCA A-Sports with driver Phil Compton and continued on in 1983 with the addition of a second Lola 333 driven by Mike Rowe.

Partnered with Don Walker late in 1983, Norwood bought Team VDS and won Cam AM in 1984. A new team formed in 1985 with March Cam AM cars and drivers Price Cobb and Jim Crawford. Unfortunately, Cam Am died about that time.

Needing a place to race, Norwood decided upon Indy. His crew finished 4th, at the Long Beach Grand Prix, was DNF at Phoenix and finished 16th at the 1985 Indy 500. Crawford drove all races.

He has successfully raced alcohol and nitro funny dragsters, raced motorcycles, raced Cam AM, raced and researched the outer limits of nitrous and oxygen as super oxidizers. The salt flats of Bonneville, Utah gave Norwood three records, two that he still owns, despite eleven years and numerous attempts to break them. Norwood runs Bonneville every year possible. In 1992, Oldsmobile had Batten and Norwood fabricate and test their Aerotech racing cars to set forty-seven new endurance records with the new Aurora engines. Many of the drivers were from the Norwood Autocraft organization.

You will see a lot of Ferraris at Norwood's. When it comes to service, Norwood Autocraft vastly outperforms the everyday Ferrari dealer. Norwood is a legendary figure - to his car-loving Edge-seeking customers who like to pay the high price for high performance. Many of these clients have been with him for years.

Norwood has expanded to other types of marquee's. This includes the creation of Porsche Club racers and an all-wheel drive Porsche C-4 and Porsche racing engines, as well as applying the dual-fuel concept of turbo-charging to an Aura NSX. Norwood has expanded his research and development contracts and has become a noted expert witness for legal testimony.

Norwood's $500,000 Porsche creation made its appearance in 1995 - the racer DOOM. It was a supercar with ultra-high-tech fabrication utilizing components, of Indy cars and other radical cars put to use in a new way. The 3.6 supercharged engine designed to last 24 minutes did the job beating every competitor. The record remains unbroken. DOOM, named after the biggest selling computer game of all time that helped to finance it, disappeared on July 31, 1995 - stolen from outside Norwood's fabricating shop and not seen since.

Norwood has continued his new developments in 1997. He has built two new 4 cylinder Porsche 968 turbo DOOM cars. He is also continuing to press for as much horsepower from the Testarossa as possible. Norwood filed a patent on a new turbocharger turbine upgrade. He also continues to manufacture his high performance replica cars and now has scratch motors that feature a V-12 with either 777 or 1000 cubic inches and 302 cubic inch V-12's for P-4's and GTO's.

You can most likely find him on the phone or at the dyno, or in the shop working on a pet project staying busy on the leading edge of technology.
 
Schue7683
I think it was said: "Desperation is a stinky cologne". LOL

These numbers aren't what I asked for, and........no I won't shut up until you admit your misgivings :sly: 👎

Lethalchem: couldn't a said it better! 👍

Tony

Let me just start of by saying great post. But I think it was said somewhere "You're awesome quotes don't really make any sense".. Also, those aren't the numbers you asked for? Ok well if we're making ridiculous demands show me: A car with five steering wheels, and then come talk to me. I wasn't trying to met you're demands just trying to enlighten you that there are very fast cars outside you're specific racing series.

Also, "misgivings", WTF? mis-giv-ing: a feeling of doubt, mistrust, apprehension. I doubt you're word usage ability, and I'm apprehensive that the dramatic pause ".................." was needed, but that's about it.
 
slowegxxrevolt
Who is Bob Norwood?
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You can most likely find him on the phone or at the dyno, or in the shop working on a pet project staying busy on the leading edge of technology.

^ Thank you very much, I was looking up the bio myself. And to the guy who didn't know who he was, try opening a car craft or hot rod magazine sometime, Norwood has been in there many times. Proving you don't know who he is, does alot for you're arguement. 👍
 
As far as his involvement in import racing, he designed and built the NORAD/World Racing Celica:

"The low key rollout is also not like the cars beginnings - the car has been the center of controversy since the first concept sketches were issued, showing a center driving position and 36-inch tall front drag slicks. The NHRA quickly intervened and ruled against such a setup fearing it would take the class too far away from the production cousins the current cars are modeled after (The car will use smaller drag slicks at NHRA events and larger ones at NDRA events). The car still retains its front mounted Ford 9" rear axle that twists the front slicks and in turn is twisted by the transmission via a special V-joint that pops into the interior compartment from the fire wall. Rado though, defends his decision to build the revolutionary/evolutionary car.

The whole reason we built this car was to take FWD drag racing to the next level. We're not here to rewrite the rulebooks or pull a fast one over all the other competitors. This car is just an example of what can be done when you think differently."

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slowegxxrevolt
Who is Bob Norwood?

I didn't read any of your cut and paste because I think you've misinterpretd the depth of my interest. Knowing him has absolutely no bearing on the topic whatsoever. Glad he's your Hero though. 👍

DelaWhereTSi
Ok well if we're making ridiculous demands show me: A car with five steering wheels, and then come talk to me. I wasn't trying to met you're demands just trying to enlighten you that there are very fast cars outside you're specific racing series.

"Rediculous demands"? What rediculous demands? The simple statement was about a 4 cyl running 4 sec 1/4 times at over 300mph. You think that's "rediculous"? Having a 4cy do it is, but other cars do it every race weekend. :dopey:

DelaWhereTSi
And to the guy who didn't know who he was, try opening a car craft or hot rod magazine sometime, Norwood has been in there many times. Proving you don't know who he is, does alot for you're arguement. 👍

Actually, it proves squat, and it doesn't have anything to do with the credibility of my argument. :lol:
 
Lethalchem
I didn't read any of your cut and paste because I think you've misinterpretd the depth of my interest. Knowing him has absolutely no bearing on the topic whatsoever. Glad he's your Hero though. 👍

What exactly is the topic? I thought it was that fwd imports are not "real" drag racing cars?

I'm not sure why you're trying so hard to do this sarcastic, insulting thing - is that your online persona? You responded to my original statement about Bob Norwood by implying that his involvement with import racing meant no more than if one of your high school teachers was involved. I responded by pointing out that Norwood's accomplishments in auto racing far exceed those of your high school teacher, and I expect they exceed your own as well. Perhaps rather than trying to tell you that he's my hero, I'm hinting that he's more qualified to judge the viability of a fwd import as a drag racing platform than you are?
 
slowegxxrevolt
What exactly is the topic? I thought it was that fwd imports are not "real" drag racing cars?

Nope, that's the problem. That's NOT the topic (did you read all the posts leading up to this?).

This came up after I stated I don't see any 4 sec 300mph 4cyl drag cars. Somebody posted that link to that import built by the guy you gave a bio on and told me to look around harder (all of which is in the thread for everyone to read). I simply stated that car is not running the times originally stated. Doesn't matter who built it or what that guy knows, it doesn't change the facts of the discussion.

That was my reason for being disinterested in that guy's life story. It doesn't have anything to do with the facts of the topic. Nobody argues that imports can't drag race. There's tons that run well all over the country.
 
1Drifter1
Viper Zero
I'm with you, King. There's nothing like the feeling of a Boss 427 or a GTO just spanking a Civic or CRX.

I reckon my Nissan Skyline GTR N1 (R34) would **** on any Boss 427!! It runs 8.606 down 0-400M and it handles well. Japanese rock!!:odd:
Well your car is modded. Try it stock for stock. Anything can be made to run fast if you have the money. Mod the Boss 427 and see what happens; then you can have a fair race.
 
DelaWhereTSi
Let me just start of by saying great post. But I think it was said somewhere "You're awesome quotes don't really make any sense".. Also, those aren't the numbers you asked for? Ok well if we're making ridiculous demands show me: A car with five steering wheels, and then come talk to me. I wasn't trying to met you're demands just trying to enlighten you that there are very fast cars outside you're specific racing series.

Also, "misgivings", WTF? mis-giv-ing: a feeling of doubt, mistrust, apprehension. I doubt you're word usage ability, and I'm apprehensive that the dramatic pause ".................." was needed, but that's about it.

LOL you're funny, did you look that up on an online dictionary? And BTW, I was referring to the doubt part of the definition you so kindly provided. Doubt that you can provide said information. Anyway, seeing as I'm a linguist myself, I shouldn't give you a lesson in English because that would be arrogant but look at your fourth to last word, repeated in your "attempt" at helping me become intelligent in speaking English. Word wars don't work, everybody makes "typos".

But, on a lighter note, I love this; all the narrow minds colliding. It's a great way to open new horizons and views on things in which you were born and raised in tunnel vision. I was born and raised in a conglomerate of morals and brand loyalties, only to study things up for myself and come to a conclusion. It's really all about what you like and what performance numbers you can put down. So, I leave this thread simply saying that my versions of fast, having grown up in a NHRA/IHRA oriented family, and your verions of fast may be two different things.

Godspeed to the finish line, 1320 ft/400m away. I'll see you around, maybe my big heavy beast can give you a run for your money ;)

Tony
 
yeah I hate those guys too, other than some 15" wheels my car looks totally stock (well it's lowered). and man the ricers are still always trying to race me on the freeway and **** it pisses me off. but I know what you mean, there are a lot of guys like that and they do give us a bad image, mostly they got into imports after the fast and the furious came out.

it was there before. its gotten a bit worse, but it was there. they thing is theyll try to race anybody they can. i knew a guy who has an 72 f-150 with a 9 inch life and a six cylinder, the 300 but still, obviously not a racer, they tried to race him all the time.

i believe in putting my money to use where it cant be seen. under the hood, in the drivetrain and suspention. ill have a car or truck that looks like total garbage, maybe not total but you get what in saying, that will smoke anything.

the sleeper owns all. you never see it coming.
 
This is getting really off topic. I think if you want the thread to stay alive you should get back on topic. It doesn't matter though, this thread was dying off anyway.
 
as far as ive seen, there is only the las vegas test. no head to head drag racing. and alst the 0-400m is still in the test course also, why??? so all the hype about drag racing being in was just that hype. as far as ive seen there is no competitive drag racing in the game. very dissapointing.
 
Sadly, I don't think you can. Maybe when/if they release the online version it will have it. Hopefully if they do we can show our receipts to the place where we purchased GT4 and get a trade in.
 
Yea i liek drag racing onlien because ive dragged against my friends to much and i keep kickign there ass so they wont drag me no more cause i use nitrous on them and blow past them so they hate me for it..haha
 
I can't find where to drag race in GT4, is the track unlocked later in the game? I can just see where you can test your car on the strip but not race.
 
how do you actually do a drag race against AI in gt4?
Are there championship events where you do drag racing?

i saw in videos and pictures that there are two racers at the drag strip, but is it in the game?
 
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