Drift or Powerslide
- Thread starter Joey D
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practice drifting alot til the point where u kno everything about ur car like how it acts when u do this and that...after that, just mess around and try different drift angles like pointing ur car at the apex of the turn or at the wall. You'll eventually find out what's fastest and you should be powersliding.
o yea, watch ur replays frequently, see if all 4 of ur tires r spewin out smoke and crap
o yea, watch ur replays frequently, see if all 4 of ur tires r spewin out smoke and crap
- 97
ummm....boys....i got bad news for ya....neither a drift or powerslide are efficent for racing.
the loss of traction on any wheels is VERY bad for lap times.
there is something called the all wheel drift that many people over look when considering the way to achieve quick lap times. the all wheel drift is most often used through a chicane.
heres the break down. a drift is breaking the rear of the car loose and guiding it through a turn with the front wheels by counter-steering. a power slide is when the car is over steering BUT any sort of correction would re gain all traction on all wheels. the all wheel drift is when all 4 wheels break loose, but the rear is still rotaing ever so slightly instead of the car just sliding... in other words the wheel on the car is strait forward, but the rear is rotating at a very slight degree.....bah its really hard to explain...F1 drivers use this technique.
just go try it. it works.
drifting is fun....powersliding is for people who cant drift....all wheel drifting is the best intermediate....
look it up somewhere else for a betta explanation.
the loss of traction on any wheels is VERY bad for lap times.
there is something called the all wheel drift that many people over look when considering the way to achieve quick lap times. the all wheel drift is most often used through a chicane.
heres the break down. a drift is breaking the rear of the car loose and guiding it through a turn with the front wheels by counter-steering. a power slide is when the car is over steering BUT any sort of correction would re gain all traction on all wheels. the all wheel drift is when all 4 wheels break loose, but the rear is still rotaing ever so slightly instead of the car just sliding... in other words the wheel on the car is strait forward, but the rear is rotating at a very slight degree.....bah its really hard to explain...F1 drivers use this technique.
just go try it. it works.
drifting is fun....powersliding is for people who cant drift....all wheel drifting is the best intermediate....
look it up somewhere else for a betta explanation.
- 888
Bah...Drifting(Non-Exibition, Drift) Is the fastest. I can useally get around all the tight corners in Laguna Seca at full throttle using this. It's much faster. Tokyo Is a great place for speed drift too.
- 97
gah....the power slide is NOT a 4 wheel drift
a 4 wheel drift is easily controlible while a power slide is not generally.
and yeah for some courses real drifting on certain corners can help lap times, but exhibition drifting certainly hinders the trap speed through a corner....in other words....exhibition drifting hurts lap times...alot.
a 4 wheel drift is easily controlible while a power slide is not generally.
and yeah for some courses real drifting on certain corners can help lap times, but exhibition drifting certainly hinders the trap speed through a corner....in other words....exhibition drifting hurts lap times...alot.
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- WFG9
I believe power sliding is just that, powering through a turn using the throttle and steering to keep the car balanced, maybe some braking. A drift is more a case of of using momentum to slide around tight corners and such. If you turn abruptly and activate the E brake, you'll be drifting, but if you start doing a fairly good amount of corrective steering and throttle control you'll be power sliding. It depends on when the throttle controlling begins and how much is done.
My opinion, of course.
My opinion, of course.
- 97
umm....just pulln the e brake doesnt make your slide a drift...a drift is all about overloading the suspension of a car....or in laymens terms...your faking out the suspension
making the car "think" its doing one thing when infact your doing the complete opposite.
your car is turning left....when it thinks its turning right
in a true drift the car is turning one way even though the wheel is turning another ie: Counter Steering
making the car "think" its doing one thing when infact your doing the complete opposite.
your car is turning left....when it thinks its turning right
in a true drift the car is turning one way even though the wheel is turning another ie: Counter Steering
- 5,716
It all comes down to definition....
powerslide and 4 wheel drift to me is the same thing. It is better to keep grip. But in comparing "powerslide" and "2 wheel drift" I'd have to say that powerslide works better on fast corners and 2 wheel drift is better on 90 degree or hairpins... OMHO.
powerslide and 4 wheel drift to me is the same thing. It is better to keep grip. But in comparing "powerslide" and "2 wheel drift" I'd have to say that powerslide works better on fast corners and 2 wheel drift is better on 90 degree or hairpins... OMHO.
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- GTP_Duke
I really hate to be obnoxious about it, but Talentless and Mobil1 are the only people in this thread who have any idea what they are talking about. I've never seen such misuse of definitions.
Drifting: this has to be defined as "exhibition" or "Japanese" drifting. In other words, tuning for excessive oversteer, and putting the car sideways for its own sake. Because it has nothing to do with real drifting (see below). Exhibition drifting requires that the rear wheels have lost traction, either fromm heavy braking or being overpowered. This is what makes it flashy but very slow.
Powersliding: a type of exhibition drifting, in which the car is driven to oversteer by applying power to the rear wheels. Once countersteering is cranked in, the car is balanced with the throttle. It has nothing to do with how many wheels have lost traction. In fact, you better have traction at the front end of the car or you're about to visit the ditch.
Four wheel drift: real drifting, as correctly described by Mobil1, is a cornereing technique developed in the early, pre-aero days of Grand Prix racing. In "drifting" a turn, all four tires are at the limit of adhesion - but no wheels have lost traction. All four tires are crabbing slightly - moving forward and slightly sideways at the same time, with the rear tires crabbing slightly more than the fronts. This allows the car to rotate through the turn at high speed, with the front wheels pointed straight ahead, also as described by Mobil1. Throttle control is critical here, too, but not for the purpose of keeping the car sideways. Four wheel drifting is the fastest way to take a turn, because you maintain limits traction throughout. With smooth inputs and careful balance, you can maximize the amount of braking/cornering at the entry, and the amount of acceleration/cornering at the exit.
Now, everybody on board? Great!
Drifting: this has to be defined as "exhibition" or "Japanese" drifting. In other words, tuning for excessive oversteer, and putting the car sideways for its own sake. Because it has nothing to do with real drifting (see below). Exhibition drifting requires that the rear wheels have lost traction, either fromm heavy braking or being overpowered. This is what makes it flashy but very slow.
Powersliding: a type of exhibition drifting, in which the car is driven to oversteer by applying power to the rear wheels. Once countersteering is cranked in, the car is balanced with the throttle. It has nothing to do with how many wheels have lost traction. In fact, you better have traction at the front end of the car or you're about to visit the ditch.
Four wheel drift: real drifting, as correctly described by Mobil1, is a cornereing technique developed in the early, pre-aero days of Grand Prix racing. In "drifting" a turn, all four tires are at the limit of adhesion - but no wheels have lost traction. All four tires are crabbing slightly - moving forward and slightly sideways at the same time, with the rear tires crabbing slightly more than the fronts. This allows the car to rotate through the turn at high speed, with the front wheels pointed straight ahead, also as described by Mobil1. Throttle control is critical here, too, but not for the purpose of keeping the car sideways. Four wheel drifting is the fastest way to take a turn, because you maintain limits traction throughout. With smooth inputs and careful balance, you can maximize the amount of braking/cornering at the entry, and the amount of acceleration/cornering at the exit.
Now, everybody on board? Great!
- 149
yo correct me if i am wrong and you must but to my understanding i thought drifting is 4 wheel drifting which is faster" supposably" then grip. Exbitdition is the back and is all for show no go. powerslide would be like breaking them loose right off the go and then slideing"american drifting as i call it".
- 5,716
er... neon, I am not saying that you are wrong but from where did you get your definitions? It is easy to say everyone else is wrong and create your own definitions.
also, one does not need to "crab" in a 4 wheel drift. to me it would involve a certain amount of sideways sliding while moving forward. But in which case I'd say that "powerslide" and "4w drift" definitions need to be swapped. alas I have no reference on which to base my definitions as they are my own.
peace out
also, one does not need to "crab" in a 4 wheel drift. to me it would involve a certain amount of sideways sliding while moving forward. But in which case I'd say that "powerslide" and "4w drift" definitions need to be swapped. alas I have no reference on which to base my definitions as they are my own.
peace out
- 786
Neither.......downshift....brake hard.....downshift....apex.....you know the rest.
Drifting and powersliding aka 4-wheel drift....are the SLOWEST means of getting around the corner. But given the choice....it'd have to be a 4-wheel drift, since the car usaully is in better position to accelerate out of the corner.
In terms of fun and style............drifting, especially in an S4.
Drifting and powersliding aka 4-wheel drift....are the SLOWEST means of getting around the corner. But given the choice....it'd have to be a 4-wheel drift, since the car usaully is in better position to accelerate out of the corner.
In terms of fun and style............drifting, especially in an S4.
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Ving, I get my definitions from real life racers I know, and from performance driving books. The term "drifting" has been taken over by the currently popular Japanese cult of high-oversteer car control wizards. Originally, it meant just what I defined above as four-wheel drifting.
And in response to Supraman, you're kind of right. Four-wheel drift can be faster than a completely grip-based line, because you are using every ounce of available traction. If the tires are not crabbing slightly through the apex, you are not generating enough cornering force, and therefore not squeezing out every last bit of speed from the turn.
Option2, please reread my descriptions of the three terms - powersliding is a type of "drifting" (as commonly used here), nothing more, nothing less. And neither of them are 'aka' four-wheel drift, which is a separate techniques entirely.
I'll try to find a good, real-world perfomance driving description of the true four-wheel drift technique. I have a couple of books at home I could type in, but I will see if I can find a good online reference.
And in response to Supraman, you're kind of right. Four-wheel drift can be faster than a completely grip-based line, because you are using every ounce of available traction. If the tires are not crabbing slightly through the apex, you are not generating enough cornering force, and therefore not squeezing out every last bit of speed from the turn.
Option2, please reread my descriptions of the three terms - powersliding is a type of "drifting" (as commonly used here), nothing more, nothing less. And neither of them are 'aka' four-wheel drift, which is a separate techniques entirely.
I'll try to find a good, real-world perfomance driving description of the true four-wheel drift technique. I have a couple of books at home I could type in, but I will see if I can find a good online reference.
- 97
right on neon
you friggn rock dude, i know my stuff, but you can explain it a hell of alot betta than me
keep up the good work!!
you friggn rock dude, i know my stuff, but you can explain it a hell of alot betta than me
keep up the good work!!
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- WFG9
The most important thing in cornering is the line and the best acceleration or high speed you can get through it. I would assume that some corners are better to take traditionally, especially if the next corner needs high speed. And some corners are best with tire smoking cornering.
Drakeskakes
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Donuts in the Rain HORRAY!
- 97
lol, hell yeah dohnuts in the rain....
my friend was drivin my car once a while back doin dohnuts...and he got a rear tire off the ground...lol...it was funny
my friend was drivin my car once a while back doin dohnuts...and he got a rear tire off the ground...lol...it was funny
