Drifting Cars

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Is the Toyota Sprinter Trueno GT-Apex Shigeno Version the car that most people drift with?:confused: If so, could someone hook me up with some good drifting settings- and possible a paragraph on how to do it? I would love to learn how as it sounds like great fun, all I need are the settings and the correct car! Thanks! :D
 
personally, I don't use the shigeno because of it sluggishness, but lots of people have settings in the GT3 settings forum.


p.s. welcome to GTPLANET.
 
I don't have the Sprinter. I use have used many other cars for drifting

Corvette ZO6
Zonda C12S
Vanquish V-12
RX-8

A few others drift pretty well.
The Zonda is the best when it's fully modded. And the ASM and TCS off.
 
I'm still baffled as to why people see 'drifting' as an end in itself. I mean, there are websites dedicated to this?
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To be going as fast as you can you should be drifting nearly every corner in nearly every car in nearly every race. A well-executed four wheel drift is indeed a thing of beauty; but it is just a means to get around the track faster...
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'Drifting' simply means to corner at the useful limit of adhesion. In other words, you take the corner as fast as you can while maintaining control. The car rotates through the turn, ideally with the front wheels pointed straight ahead (after the intitial turn-in). Throttle is used to balance the rate of rotation by varying the amount of load placed on the rear wheels, thus modulating their traction.

The car needs to be set up to oversteer slightly - so stiffen up the rear shocks/struts, and run a heavy rear stabilizer bar. For a FWD car you may want to run less grippy tires in back, but most cars can be set to balance pretty well with just shock settings and stabilizers.

Or am I really missing something?
 
Erm... sorry :( I am new to cars and GT3, and am trying to learn the ropes of both. I cannot yet drive so I don't know a whole lot about cars, so I am trying to learn some stuff via the game. Thanks for the answer as to what drifting is though... Sorry for asking a dumb question!
 
No, no, no! I'm the one who should be sorry for being so short. There are no stupid questions, if you really don't know the answers and are trying to learn!
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Let me start over - welcome to GTP! I'm pretty new here myself, and I'm coming from message boards with a lot of racers and autocrossers on them, who are used to talking in terms of car dynamics. I tend to forget that a lot of the citizens here can't legally drive IRL...
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Anyway, there have been a lot of posts recently asking for drifting videos and drifting cars and drifting this and drifting that. It really seems that some people sort of look at it as the final product, not simply as a method of driving. Your post just kind of came at the end of that. I apologize again for jumping on you without thinking.

'Drift' is short for four-wheel drift, meaning that the tires are moving sideways as well as forward on the pavement as the car rounds the corner. Under these conditions, the tires have not yet lost their grip, but they are very close. Upsetting the balance with sudden control inputs will overwhelm the traction available and cause the car to skid.

The ideal way to drift around a corner is to turn in sharply right after braking hard, or while trail braking, which means to brake gently while turning into the first part of the curve. When you brake, downshift, or even just lift off the throttle quickly, the weight of the car transfers forward to the front wheels, increasing their traction, and also decreasing the load on the rear wheels, giving them less traction. When the front wheels turn, the back wheels cannot turn as sharply due to reduced traction, and begin to slide toward the outside of the turn. This is called oversteer, or 'getting loose' in NASCAR talk.

Because the rear of the car is sliding toward the outside of the turn, and the front is not, the car is rotating in the direction of the curve. In other words, once the car begins to rotate, the front wheels no longer need to actually steer, as long as the outward 'skid' of the rear tires can be maintained without losing control. A very sensitive driver can use the throttle to transfer weight forward (by lifting) or backward (by accelerating) in order to keep the car rotating at the proper rate to go around the curve and stay on the track. It takes tons of practice. Stirling Moss and Juan Fangio are probably the two best drifters in the history of racing. This is also what you see to a greater extent in WRC competition where traction is usually minimal at best.

The opposite of oversteer is understeer, or what NASCAR folks call 'push'. This is when the front wheels do not have as much traction as the rears, and simply slide straight toward the outside of the corner when steered. You cannot drift an understeering car because the car (by definition) is not rotating enough to make the curve.

Nearly all front wheel drive cars tend to understeer, because the front wheels are doing 80% of the work at all times. In order to create 'balanced' handling, meaning approximately equal traction at front and rear, it is necessary to reduce the traction in the rear of a FWD car. This can be done by using harder tires, stiffer spring rates, stiffer shock absorbers, stiffer swaybars (stabilizers), or some combination of the above.

An ideal lesson in drifting is the license test IA-8, where you drive the Skyline around the big, loopy turns that get smaller. The way to get through that test is to pitch the car into the turn pretty heavily, and hold it there with as much throttle as the car will take without heading off the outside of the turn. When the car is not going off the inside or the outside, you are drifting (assuming of course that you are not going at Granny speeds, which the clock will not allow).

Hope this helps!
 
UhHH! OK. I personally cant tell you about settings on truno ( I know this is gonna set some people off), but I sold that piece of ****!!!!!!!!!
 
I quite like the Ford Mustang SVT for drifting. Just tune it as hard as you can and it'll slide round the corners beautifully! I have to say though, I don't particullarly enjoy drifting anyway. As has already been said in this thread, its just a way of getting round corners!
 
Just a note of caution: Drifting usually eats up your tires. Sure, if done correctly you'll go faster, but you'll see your tire wear rate shoot up like a rocket. For most Pro races, I combine some drifting (when it's truly beneficial) with regular "stop&go" racing.
 
i used to drift all the time but now that i'm racing at a more advanced level i use the "leanonsomeone" style or "stop&go" if i don't have anyone to lean my car on :p
 
I want to drive more realistically so I try to stray away from the lean-on-people tactic :D It worked well for me in beginner, though! BTW, I really like the Gillete Vertigo Race Car. It sits low and I liked it on the FR Amateur races :)
 
i won that car, but i sold it right away because i was strapped for cash. i need to win it again some time...or buy it if i can. i got +4mil now.
 
Ah, I forgot about the leaning method! That works beautifully, especially for chicanes. :D
 
Yes the leaning method. I've used it many times. Increase your turning speed and mess up the A.I. all at the same time. HAHA. But I haven't done that in a while. I only do it in early stages of the game when my car is just as fast as the AI.
 
Drifting is not something that I would do whilst racing, it is just a fun thing to do. If anything, drifting is more of a challenge than 'normal' race driving. I got into it just by driving cars around on sim tyres to get more of a feel of how they handled. Recently however I have started settimg car up soley for drifting, have a look at my thread in the GT3 settings forum for my Trueno (non Shigeno) setup:)
 
I wonder what drifting in real life would be like though? In GT, you can drift all you want, and know that if you mess up (which can happen a lot), you won't damage anything. But in real life races, if you mess up, you could end up killing yourself...
 
drifting is fairly easy. I think drifting in real life is much easier. Though i have't had the oppurunity to drift in +700hp monsters like i do in the game.
 
neon_duke - Great post, you have a way of explaining things that makes it very clear even in text. But I would like to point out that there are two definitions of "drift" being discussed here. This is probably where some of the confusion is coming from. :) The kind of drift you're speaking of is usually so subtle nobody will notice it. The drifting that I think is being asked about here, and the type that I'll discuss, is a driving art born out of Japan where drivers try to keep there car as sideways as possible through a turn, while travelling gracefully through it. It's done simply for kicks and grins, and is a difficult skill to master. It's certainly not the fast way around a track, but it's useful in that the driver who is experienced in this type of drifting (which I'll call Exhibition Drifting) is usually more comfortable probing (and exceeding) the limits of adhesion in an oversteer-biased car. And in some cases drifting can be useful for blocking a line, or reducing your speed in a decreasing radius corner while setting up for the exit.

Here are some real life examples of this driving style, with two very different approaches.
http://hondatwincam.com/movies/Hachiroku.mpeg - This fellow is insane behind the wheel, but has incredible car control.
http://members.eisa.net.au/~gtir01/DriftVideos/oridodrift.mpg - This guy is calm and smooth. A true master with nothing to prove.

If you want more, just look in the directories those movies are in. :)


Now, Erfus, you wanted settings for the AE86 Shigeno Version? Well, I don't seem to have mine handy at the moment, but what I can give you is a link to some of my other drift car setups.

http://www.themaille.com/hgt/phpBB/viewtopic.php?t=664114&sid=9b347d3765d7b873c530e5f95fc65b17

Those will give you some insight into my drift setup style, which I've applied to the AE86. The best base to start with is the FC RX7, I think. It's still my favorite drift car in GT3 even though it was my third (I have, hmmm, ~15 now. :D). Try starting off with those settings on the AE86, and go from there. One thing I have found though is that drift settings are a personal thing. Some people use very different means to accomplish the same goal. What works for me may not work for you. If that's the case, experiment. That's how I learned. I didn't have any settings to go off of, I just started fiddling with the cars on my own, based on my limited knowledge of how they work in real life, and after a couple weeks ended up with something I could drift with. There's no simple 'formula' for drifting either. It helps to understand the physics of driving - weight transfer, slip angles, the traction circle, and the like. One last note - my drift settings seem to require a light, gentle touch. A couple of my friends, whom I've worked with in teaching them how to drift, have a style very different from mine, and their settings are very kooky IMO. ;) But it works for them. They can't control my drift cars very well, and I can't control theirs very well. They like to slow down well before a turn, and hammer the throttle on turn-in to get the rear out with lots of power, then dial in massive countersteer and hold it under as much throttle as possible. Me, I like to start the drift under braking, or with feint motion, or both, well before the turn, and transfer to applying the throttle smoothly and with precision, usually waiting until I've nearly cleared the corner to put the throttle down to the floor.

Anyway, just experiment and have fun. In time, the drifts will come. :)

youth_cycler and troy - Drifting in real life is not so easy. It's much easier in GT3, where the consequences of making a mistake are nil. That said, I do believe my GT3 drifting experiences has allowed me to get a 'head start' in drifting in real life. My first drifts were pretty decent, I think (and in a borrowed car, heheh :D). Once I can buy a driftable car of my own and set it up for that, I think I'll be right at home. My current car is anti-drift, pretty much. :) It sure goes around a track in a hurry though.

Anyway, my fingers hurt now. ;) Looks like I've typed a chapter in a novel...
 
CudaMan, thanks for the compliment, thanks for saving me from being the only longwinded poster here, and mostly thank you for explaining the fundamental answer - that people DO consider "drifting" as an end in itself. Though I guess I would say that the style is popular in Japan, rather than saying it was born there...
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Nothing wrong with long posts! I'd rather read 3 long posts that contain intelligent discussion than 50 one-liners that don't say much.
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Without going to see your links, is one of them that white EVO track video? Because that guy is proof positive that drifting is easier on TV than it is in real life. He's amazing, until he blows it - and then he destroys a $30,000 car.
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It sounds like you are more on the way to proper "exhibition drifting", because you're learning to set up any car to do it. Relying on horsepower alone is one method, but it really just amounts to being a large-radius donut burnout. Plus, if you're in a lower-powered car, the fun is over...
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Wowzerz Cuda.... looks like you'll make an awesome addition to GTPlanet! Welcome! :D

BTW, do you race in real life or something? You seem extremely knowledgable on the topic of cars and driving... :thumbsup:
 
Thanks for the welcome, youth_cycler. :) I do race in real life, although not professionally (yet? ;)). I suppose I know more than your average joe about how to go fast, but I still have a lot to learn. What really helped me understand what the car is going through, and how to get it to do what you want, was reading the Physics of Racing series by (I think) Dr. Beckman. It explained a lot about the things I mentioned in my previous post. I think if you Google search for it on the internet you should be able to find it. I printed out a copy and refer to it every now and then. It's good reading. :)

neon_duke, I agree, reading a long intelligent post is more rewarding than a lot of short one liners. But it sure can be murder on the fingers to type these things sometimes. ;)

I suppose I misspoke when I said drifting was born in Japan. I don't know who actually did it first, but I do know that exhibition drifting for the sake of the act itself came from Japan. They have drift competitions over there, with judges, trophies, professional drivers and the whole bit. It's very popular over there - people even drift on the streets and the law doesn't do much (if anything) about it, from what I understand. Only recently has drifting started to become popular in North America, and so we're seeing a lot of questions and fascination about it as people are discovering it for the first time here.

Neither of the video links I posted are of that white EVO. They're much better. :D The EVO driver does have good skill, but I think maybe he lacks judgement. I wouldn't be drifting so close to other cars like that. And he clearly blew that one corner by quite a bit.
 
Cudaman! Jumping forums or just going for the more is better approach like me?:D Just wondered where I may be able to download Gran Dorifto as the copy on my computer is a bit iffy thanks to gozilla:rolleyes: Last time I looked at driftcore.com, the video section was down. Also, when are we going to be able to download some more of your fine drifting skills?
 
Cheers! Also, any idea where I can download episodes of initial d? MIRC was suggested in the multimedia forum but that seems loads of hassle:(
 
Are we talking about Frentzen again? ;) :D

Sideways action? I prefer to do it stock (anyone can run an engine up to 1000bhp and throw a tail out), so it's got to be between a Mustang or a Vantage. An R34 isn't bad but the 4WD system gets in the way mid bend. :)
 
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