Drivers! This is how Suzuka should be driven.

[arvin charles]

I never did take Best Motoring seriously...Their races are a show and it seems staged.

Somehow, I think this is what PD has in mind for GT and not all out racing. Just look at how they program the AI, they don't fight and defend their positions just like these "racers." It's a shame, really.

 

[Ardius]

I never did take Best Motoring seriously...Their races are a show and it seems staged.

Somehow, I think this is what PD has in mind for GT and not all out racing. Just look at how they program the AI, they don't fight and defend their positions just like these "racers." It's a shame, really.

Oh please, I'd give Kaz a bit more credit than that...I think they are well aware of what "real" racing is like. But then again, this is the "Real Driving Simulator" not the Real Racing Simulator.
How good the racing is, is up to us, at least for online.

I would never expect AI to improve very much for a very long time, AI is pretty difficult to get right, let alone make it realistic. You'll never get it to act completely like human opponents, because the whole point of computers is that they are predictable. Even when a computer goes through random numbers, it is never completely random, there is always a some kind of pattern or calculation to it. This is all with the assumption you are looking for AI that is not just better than other racing simulators but also highly realistic.

Yes, AI can be done a lot better, and yes, many other racing games have better AI, but keep in mind that PD can't really take it much further than any other game, but I agree that they should at least try and improve their AI standards to other games if not beyond.

 

[91hondawagon]

I can't believe the F40 didn't get a five-second ghosting penalty for cutting across the chicane like that...

 

[Dragonistic]

I can't believe the F40 didn't get a five-second ghosting penalty for cutting across the chicane like that...

Imagine if it had... priceless supercar gains invisibility cloak!

 

[homeforsummer]

Nice video, and notice how the Skyline gets owned by almost everything (NB - this is a joke, Nissan fanboys).

It doesn't look full pace, and I was amused by the early overtake one of the cars did going into Degner, that almost always ends in disaster in GT5P!

 

[flubbachany]

*please Delete*

 

[turbomp301]

Yeah, best lap was only doing 2'25s and the fastest speed was 148+ mph. If the real cars can lap this in 2'05s like the game, then they were taking it real easy.

the F40 cut the chicane on the last lap so that time is off. The best clean lap was the 2:26 in the F50.

 

[ACE_N_RANDIE]

That was by far one of the coolest videos I have seen in a long time. Amazing looking race, I especially loved the pedal cams when you could watch the drivers heel to toe shifting(I believe that is what it is called), I still can't quite get that down.

 

[Chadwicksracing]

Speaking of giving room Hamilton. I think a lot of the problem is: Not a lot of GTP racers know how to race two wide. It is something that we all should start practicing.

 

[91hondawagon]

Speaking of giving room Hamilton. I think a lot of the problem is: Not a lot of GTP racers know how to race two wide. It is something that we all should start practicing.

It's difficult for a lot of us because a lot of GTP racers (including myself) don't have a wheel. Also, real racers can see other cars in their peripheral vision and can turn their head to look. In Prologue, we're limited to a simple left/right head turn and no peripheral vision.

In Nascar 09, it's possible to turn the driver's head in any direction by using the right analogue stick. This allows drivers to look in a complete 360 degrees and see blind spots much more easily in Prologue. EA Games steals ideas from other developers, so why couldn't PD take this idea and put it into Prologue/GT5? I find it a lot easier to manage than looking left and right on the D-pad.

 

[SaNTi iTNaS]

Speaking of giving room Hamilton. I think a lot of the problem is: Not a lot of GTP racers know how to race two wide. It is something that we all should start practicing.

Its sort of hard though. When your racing In-car view, and you take a quick peek to the side, its easy to lose control cause you don't see in front of you for a split second. especially on the move at 9:00 since it was on a curve.

 

[Dragonistic]

Its sort of hard though. When your racing In-car view, and you take a quick peek to the side, its easy to lose control cause you don't see in front of you for a split second. especially on the move at 9:00 since it was on a curve.

Practice makes perfect, using the mirrors can be helpful at times but theyre not great. Practice and perception of how drivers behave is the main things when driving in traffic. If you can't drive side-by-side comfortably, better to back out then take yourself and/or the other guy out. Not saying you can't but until whoevers concerned is comfortable with it, it should be done in small amounts until confidence is gained.

 

[j8mie]

That's a superb video L_Hamilton. I just love the soudn that F50 makes. it might not have been the best car Ferrari ever made, but boy what a noise it makes.

 

[SaNTi iTNaS]

One of my favorite videos. F50 GT is a legend, and sounds amazing.

 

[wrcsti]

Awsome video, have it on my iPod with a couple other BMI videos. That is what the GT series should be racing like.

 

[Chadwicksracing]

It's difficult for a lot of us because a lot of GTP racers (including myself) don't have a wheel. Also, real racers can see other cars in their peripheral vision and can turn their head to look. In Prologue, we're limited to a simple left/right head turn and no peripheral vision.

In Nascar 09, it's possible to turn the driver's head in any direction by using the right analogue stick. This allows drivers to look in a complete 360 degrees and see blind spots much more easily in Prologue. EA Games steals ideas from other developers, so why couldn't PD take this idea and put it into Prologue/GT5? I find it a lot easier to manage than looking left and right on the D-pad.

I will have to agree with that statement. I when I did have the game pad, it was hard to look left and right. I could always look back, but left and right was hard. It kind of changed the way I raced. Since I didn't have the cordination to look left and right as I was steering and pressing the throttle I just assumed when someone was really close to me. I just assumed that they where underneath me and I usually gave them room.

A large part of going two wide is being able to see where your oppent is at all times.. It takes a lot of skill to keep yourself on the track and out of their quarter panel. Having experience with the high line and the prefered line is of great importance. Then you are racing two wide you don't want to loose any momentum. So I suggest when you are in free run, just practice using 3 lines.. The Bottom, middle and high lines. This way you can have an idea how your car reacts in each instance.

I've seen so many wrecks because the person on the lower line just comes up the track and either cuts the high liner off or just plain slams intot he side of them. Most of the they weren't aware of them being there or they don't have the experience to feather the thottle lower while still maintaining their momentum. There is always the third option, they are hacks and don't care.

Another part is trust.. I have to trust the other person; that they know what their doing. Hamilton and I have a trust on the track..that is he knows that I can keep it from wrecking us and I can do the same. Him and I have had some great races together where we raced two wide for nearly 2 laps..

Its sort of hard though. When your racing In-car view, and you take a quick peek to the side, its easy to lose control cause you don't see in front of you for a split second. especially on the move at 9:00 since it was on a curve.

I would have to agree with you partly. However, if you were racing in real life you would look to the side for the split second. Granted these days racers has spoters, but they still look to the side of them. I suggest practicing it if you can. Once you get used to looking to the side, it will help you a lot. I have a wheel and I look to the side and the back all the time when racing close to my competitors.

 

[Ravenmaven]

I suggest practicing it if you can. Once you get used to looking to the side, it will help you a lot. I have a wheel and I look to the side and the back all the time when racing close to my competitors.

It's especially helpful if you get "hung out to dry" on the outside of a train of cars approching a corner. It takes the guess work out of deciding when to turn in.

The bumper view is the easiest to employ this technique with, I find anyway.

Looking side to side from the dash view can be "disorienting" to say the least.

 

[Pathaway]

after seeing this, I can apreciate more how real GT5P seems

True. Same here

 

[L_Hamilton]

One of my favorite videos. F50 GT is a legend, and sounds amazing.

That was music to a car guys ears..

 

[Terre]

This is my favorite Best Motoring race, even though idk why the F355 and GTR R34 was there. haha

 

[L_Hamilton]

This is my favorite Best Motoring race, even though idk why the F355 and GTR R34 was there. haha

Well they kinda had a race of their own at the back lol..

 

[Zetec-ss]

A move i've pulled many a time myself, and never taken anyone out when attempting it

i've done this move a few times before, sometimes it works but you are really in trouble if the guy doesn't give you any room, or doesn't spot you taking to move. once i did this, the guy i was overtaking didn't see me so i had to put 2 wheels on the grass and thats it i'm off. it makes you feel good when you get it right but if you get it wrong it makes you feel greedy. well me anyway.

the other thing i have noticed is a few GTP'ers don't like getting overtaken at 130r, this is racing, moves can be made anyway.

 

[Biggles]

The most exciting corners to overtake on Suzuka IMO are: on the outside at Dunlop/going into Degner; coming out of Degner on the inside of the little right-hander before the hairpin; on the outside of 200R approaching Spoon.

All of these maneuvers require not only controlled driving & precision on your part, but also the same from the opponent drivers - any deviating from the established line by either car, will cause a bump leading to the outside car being forced off - which leaves me either annoyed or guilty according to whether I am the bumper or the bumpee. For that reason, that kind of tight racing only really works when I am with a skilled opponent I know & with whom I share mutual trust on the track. 👍

 

[Earth]

Thought I'd add to this,

This is how Daytona should be driven



This is how NOT to drive Daytona Notice revenge takes place (2:30) in real life so why not GT5P?

 

[Ardius]

This is how Daytona should be driven

How did I see that coming from several miles away, lol..

Earth, clear out your pm box. Dont make me post all that here.

Nevermind, I'm not going to wait all night till you see this, but I'm also not going to post some of the stuff you said, because that is unfair with the fact you decided to take it to PM.
I will however, leave what I was going to send in PM, because I am unable to send it because your inbox is too full:


I honestly did mean it as a small jest and I was in no way attacking you or your opinions. I too enjoy oval racing and I have never said otherwise and I have never insulted you or attacked you beyond what I feel is the line. I'll admit my post was a little out of line though and I did make it sound like I was insulting you, I am sorry, I did not mean it in that way.

 

[igniz248f1]

F50......Coming Through!!! haha brilliant. GT5P really has brought this level of realism...

 

[Earth]

How did I see that coming from several miles away, lol..

Earth, clear out your pm box. Dont make me post all that here.

Nevermind, I'm not going to wait all night till you see this, but I'm also not going to post some of the stuff you said, because that is unfair with the fact you decided to take it to PM.
I will however, leave what I was going to send in PM, because I am unable to send it because your inbox is too full:

How was it unfair that I took it to PM? I didn't want to destroy this thread with some sort of war between me and you. Maybe you wanted me to say what I said here so you could get people on your side? Fight your own battles.

I'll post my private messages and not yours because I respect your privacy, but if you're going to call me out for trying to hide something I'll show I have nothing to hide and don't really care if the response to what I say is positive or negative

You already know I can get angry quite easily why push me?

Love of oval racing? I was just looking around on youtube and ran across the videos and decided to put them up since they made sense. I have to stand up for oval racing alot and at times it may make me look like I prefer it over any other form of racing thats not true.

I'm sorry you think oval racing is crap and shouldn't be mentioned.

Oh I know the video hamilton posted was so awesomness with half way professional drivers and a commentator speaking the uber cool japanese language is just so awesome did you get an erection listening him speak Japanese?

I bet you have japanese lettering tattoed all over your body too and watch all your anime cartoons in japanese with english subtitles

Blow off

There's no such thing as a joke

You cant say something and then claim its a joke, you don't say anything unless you mean it or believe it in some way

Again I didn't post your replys because I will maintain your privacy. You can if you want.

I honestly did mean it as a small jest and I was in no way attacking you or your opinions. I too enjoy oval racing and I have never said otherwise and I have never insulted you or attacked you beyond what I feel is the line. I'll admit my post was a little out of line though and I did make it sound like I was insulting you, I am sorry, I did not mean it in that way.

No need to be sorry, I already forgiven you a long time ago. And to let you know I never carry grudges agaiinst anyone online or in the real world. I just can't stay upset at people especially for little things like this incident. Although Hugo Boss is still on my ignore list. I ought to take him off and send him a pm.

I'll just have to learn to deal with things like this on these boards. If I had posted a F1 video of them racing cleanly at Fuji I would have never gotten the reponse I did.

But I post a NASCAR video of oval racing at Daytona, one with clean hard racing and another with dirty racing to show how racing is done on the oval and I'm criticized for it.

Once again if I was some diehard F1 fan who only cared about F1 and posted some clean F1 racing at Fuji nobody would have said a thing. But I happen to like NASCAR as well and that appears to be against the rules at GTP. Fine, if that's the way it is then I won't mention NASCAR anymore if I'm going to get scorned for doing so.

And when all the hateful NASCAR posts appear talking about NASCRAP and neckcar and the mods just wink and turn the other way I'll stay silent and won't stand up for the sport because it's obviously the new 'in' thing to bash NASCAR.

In the end both Hamiltons and my videos are useless, everyone knows to give room and be clean, the only thing that makes them worthwhile is that all of them are entertaining to watch, that is IF you don't hate NASCAR.

 

[AERO_HDT]

The issue is really about peripheral vision. It's very hard to race clean if you can't see what's next to you, so on that assumption, I always stick to my side of the track and race through corners on my side of the track until it becomes clear who is in front. Then the normal racing lines resume.

I wish PD would put a small window in the top left or right of the screen when this happens, showing a live top-down view of your position, relative to your opponent's position as you race. Can just be two coloured circles on the track as far as I care, just as long as it's maginified enough to see exactly where you are on the track and exactly where he/she is on the track. Saves us having to take our eyes off the road constantly and becoming disoriented and would make barging less of an issue. I also feel that if something like this is done, racing line should be traced live, so that if there is contact, a replay can be viewed and a clear racing line followed to see who was/is at fault.

Just an idea.

 

[rexc]

How was it unfair that I took it to PM? I didn't want to destroy this thread with some sort of war between me and you. Maybe you wanted me to say what I said here so you could get people on your side? Fight your own battles.

Ok, lets not forget this is just a game. My two cents worth, I had some very good and hard fought oval races with Ardius back when there were some decent oval events to be had, so I hardly think he is dissing it.

 

[RedSuinit]

How was it unfair that I took it to PM? I didn't want to destroy this thread with some sort of war between me and you. Maybe you wanted me to say what I said here so you could get people on your side? Fight your own battles.

I think He meant that it would be unfair to your privacy to post what you said since you took it to a PM. He just worded it badly.

Luke