Driving Force (Not Pro) User discussion.

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I have the driving force, it's my first wheel ever and i bought it month ago.
Still dont have GT4 :nervous: but i played the prologue with it and that was funn.
I have no problems with it.
Love the shifters :sly: :D

9.march is closer every day đź’ˇ
 
Thanks Blaiz. I really think the paddles should be working then.

Can anyone with the original DF and GT4 comment on the wheel sensitivity and shifting (using the paddles) ? (See my post just above...)

Thanks, fishman
 
I don't think there is a way to enable the back paddles on the DF. If there is someone tell me.

btw, i just got a gold in testing by getting 10.999, the gold was for under 11 seconds :dopey:...just thought that was funny.
 
fishman
Thanks Blaiz. I really think the paddles should be working then.

Can anyone with the original DF and GT4 comment on the wheel sensitivity and shifting (using the paddles) ? (See my post just above...)

Thanks, fishman
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Seems fine to me. Shifting works just like on GT3, and sensitivity is good.
 
Okay, my problem.
I could buy DFP and GT4, but then I would have little money left (untill I get on the 18.march) Should I buy it or the DF, is the DPF REALLY worth the money?
 
I passed the Sauber licence on the Nurb with Wingman Force GP an d it was very very FUN! The wheel's like Crazy! The FF is Good! I think that maby the old 180 degree wheel is better for such cars as Le Mans ones. Best will be to have both I guess.
 
ropeadope
Ahh, just glad to hear this wheel works with GT4. Wheels can been a pain in the arse when it comes to compatibility.

But someone please, does GT4 allow 2 logitech driving force wheels to play simultaneously? Burnout 3 was compatible with one wheel at a time only, and that really ticked me off, because it didn't make any sense, and no one could give me an explanation.
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Way back when I worked in games, a lot of the driving games I worked on had loads of problems when using two steering wheels, or two steering wheel type devices (like the neGcon), at the same time. IIRC it was an inherant problem with the PlayStations libraries. So it may be a hangover from that.
 
ScouserInExile
Way back when I worked in games, a lot of the driving games I worked on had loads of problems when using two steering wheels, or two steering wheel type devices (like the neGcon), at the same time. IIRC it was an inherant problem with the PlayStations libraries. So it may be a hangover from that.
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That's interesting to know, not sure why it would work in Burnout 2 in that case, but i guess the games were designed a bit differently.
 
the price of the dfp is on the rise. Amazon had it for 104.98 went up to 112.99 in a week and now is 119.99. Still with the 20 dollar rebate from logitech its about 100 bucks...still a good deal. I reccommend if u want it, get it now cause the price keeps increasing

 
I had one person tell me that when using the non-Pro Diving Force doing the old La Sarthe straight at 240mph it became unusable. He said it shakes like crazy and throws your car all over the track and he had to turn up all the assists just to keep it on the road.
Is this a problem with everyone else?

I want a wheel, bad.
I would love the DFP, but in order to get that, I will probably have to wait for my tax return, which is taking forever.
I am also not 100% sold on the 900 degree thing, so I am thinking it might be best to go with the non-Pro version, which I could buy right now if I want.
Pretty much every other racing game I play is for XBOX. If the DFP were universal or I knew for sure it would be compatible with the PS3, it would be a no brainer.
I have been laboring over this wheel thing for days. i seriously think its giving me an ulcer.
 
Dunno if this has been answered or said yet, but I found that in GT4 Prologue at least, that with my Driving Force, it was best to use the second steering option. First is arcade or something, followed by professional and simulation.

In the most realistic setting, it feels more natural, but the limits of the wheels lock seem to let it down. I found that with the intermediate setting it was alot better!

I'm sure the Pro wheel is more suited to the simulation mode since it can be fully simulating the real wheel lock, so no help is needed with where you are actually steering.

Hmmm

Dave

OT, just checked Amazon. Dispatch est 7th, delivery 9th!

Yayayay!

At long last, said ordered 19th Jan 2004, delivery estimate 19th April 2004 for last 14 months!

Finally getting it!
 
I'm using the old DF and it works well, except when the brake sometimes sticks. has anyone else experienced this or heard of it?
 
Okay, I got the paddles to work for shifting. :) I had to change the button configurations (under driving force setup menu) and change the shift buttons from their defaults and set them to "NONE". I don't know why they weren't like that in the first place.

So, now the shifters work fine. Also, I find that the "can't shift 2 gears while the wheel is turned " bug from GT3 is gone. You can shift up and down numerous gears without having to turn the wheel back to straight. So, that's a bonus. No need to remap the shifting to the Lxand Rx buttons đź‘Ť

I can't comment on the "can't get 100% braking power with the brake floored" bug also from GT3. I did the battery and variable resistor mod and that fixed that for GT3. Does anyone know if the "reduced braking" bug is still there in GT4, or do you get full braking with GT4? Just want to find out if this works properly with GT4 without the mod, because I assume there are some DF users who didn't even know about the braking bug. I wasn't aware of it for a long time... :sick:

The only real gripe I have now with the wheel is that it never "zeros" exactly right. It always zeros so that it's about 5 degrees to the left. It's even more frustrating with GT4, because the steering seems to be more sensitive. Even 2 degrees in GT4 is quite a lot. I'm not sure how to modify this though. My first attempts didn't work. I don't suppose anyone has any ideas for that? :sly:

Thanks, fishman
 
Read this whole thread twice now, i really want a wheel - just to get the most out of GT4 when i get it next week. I really dont know which wheel to get, ÂŁ90 is alot of money for a game controller, so i was thinking about just getting the DF for ÂŁ35. I love the idea of 900 degree lock though. Can anyone point me in the right direction?
 
I own both the driving force and the driving force pro. And the DFP is so worth the money. It is so much better than the old driving force its not funny. It even feels more real. The old driving force feels all plasticy... But its a good wheel to, just not great like the DFP.



Plus on the pc version you can change the lock to anything between 40-900 degrees.
 
Question for the DFP owners: Do you absolutely need to attach this wheel to a table or surface or will it be useable on your lap?

I heard the DFP is very stiff. What happened to power steering in cars? Anyway, if you must attach it to a surface, does it need to be an extremely sturdy table or something?
 
well, i spent a long time driving with the old Driving force using the lap attatchment. But it is better not to have to squeeze something between your legs while playing. :)
i wont even bother trying to play with the DFP with the lap attachment. I suggest either buying a cheap desk or building one yourself, or.. video capture card for your monitor. The price for a lap attachment if you didnt get the one that came with the old driving force is about the same it would cost for a cheap desk, or wood to make one.
 
I´m now a happy :) driving force user, since i made a conversion 💡 of a filmmaker chair , to grab the DF on , driving with the original lap attachment between legs sucks 👎 . Shure thar DFP it´s a better wheel, less plastic feeling and of course 900º, who knows someday...
 
i've got a DF but i've been planning on getting a DFP, once i get the DFP im gonna take apart the DF and try to retro fit a MOMO wheel to it
 
I'd let MOMO Force as it is, there are very good games on PC like GTR, MOMO at %100FF strength- now that's Scary! And if I had the money I would buy DFP immediately, there's no doubt it's the optimal wheel for GT4.
 
I think that the 900 deg steering is crap. I returned my DFP 3 days after buying it. The DF is much quicker, and a lot better for drifting. Its a lot easier recovering from a drift or spin when you only have 200 degs to play with rather than 900. I think that everyone can be faster in 200 deg vs. 900 deg. Most will not want to admit it though, after spending a huge wad of cash on the new wheel. And how many race cars do you know of, actually use 900 deg of steering? F1 cars use about the same amount of steering lock that the regular DF uses.

Save your cash and go with the regular DF.

Just my 2 cents.
 
BOXER1
I think that the 900 deg steering is crap. I returned my DFP 3 days after buying it. The DF is much quicker, and a lot better for drifting. Its a lot easier recovering from a drift or spin when you only have 200 degs to play with rather than 900. I think that everyone can be faster in 200 deg vs. 900 deg. Most will not want to admit it though, after spending a huge wad of cash on the new wheel. And how many race cars do you know of, actually use 900 deg of steering? F1 cars use about the same amount of steering lock that the regular DF uses.

Save your cash and go with the regular DF.

Just my 2 cents.
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is this comment coming from someone who doesnt own/ drive a car? just wondering. :sly:
 
BOXER1
I think that the 900 deg steering is crap. I returned my DFP 3 days after buying it. The DF is much quicker, and a lot better for drifting. Its a lot easier recovering from a drift or spin when you only have 200 degs to play with rather than 900. I think that everyone can be faster in 200 deg vs. 900 deg. Most will not want to admit it though, after spending a huge wad of cash on the new wheel. And how many race cars do you know of, actually use 900 deg of steering? F1 cars use about the same amount of steering lock that the regular DF uses.

Save your cash and go with the regular DF.

Just my 2 cents.
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You do know that the wheel can be put into 200* mode and very simple way too.

Press Select + r3 + Right Trigger and it will lock to 200*
Press it again and it will go back to 900* đź‘Ť
 
I think u should get used to DFP and forget that u can actually hurt it by turning it fast... it has nothing sophisticate in it..

But I can't really tell because I only have a Formula Force GP, and I've never had any problems with it in GT4. The shaking on Le mans's straight(or Nurb) it's realistic... maby it's a bit too much, but it should shake like that at that high speed and downforce. To keep the car steady u can do 2 things: take out wheel's wall adaptor(cut off the power so it has no FF effects) or u can hold the wheel in place better by securing it with your fingers attached to wheel's case. It's very Fun. Just After a lap my hands get tired, it's like a trainer. :D
 
BOXER1
I think that the 900 deg steering is crap. I returned my DFP 3 days after buying it. The DF is much quicker, and a lot better for drifting. Its a lot easier recovering from a drift or spin when you only have 200 degs to play with rather than 900. I think that everyone can be faster in 200 deg vs. 900 deg. Most will not want to admit it though, after spending a huge wad of cash on the new wheel. And how many race cars do you know of, actually use 900 deg of steering? F1 cars use about the same amount of steering lock that the regular DF uses.

Save your cash and go with the regular DF.

Just my 2 cents.
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How can drifting be better with 200 than 900?
 
fishman
I have a few issues with my Driving Force (not pro) and GT4 (NA version)

1. The paddles will not function (can't shift in MT mode). Only way I can find is to re-map to the buttons (L1, R1 etc), like I did for GT3, because of the "shift more than one gear while turning" bug. Has anyone found the same thing, or is it just me?


Thanks
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thats the specific bug that made me decide to retire my DF (along with the fact that I had to solder a new phonejack connector cuz the original got the wires ripped out of it, and hte soldering wasnt too great, giving a bad signal) but the full lock downshifting thing is what sealed the deal.
 
To everyone that doesn't know yet if to buy the DFP or the DF, I have the DFP .......FINALLY..........and it's fine and I doubt if you should buy the DF, cause I know that I won't have to buy a wheel for another 2 years, and all the DF users will have to buy a new one in half a year or so, so just buy the DFP now cause you'll have to buy a new one anyway soon I think, but I've never used the DF and don't know how that DF steers. So if you DO think you'll do another 2 years with the DF, don't buy it, but many of you need a new one anyway, so why not now:D

The DFP is just GREAT:tup:
 

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