DTM and Super GT merge regulations from 2014?!.

[Furinkazen]

Posted here, as it's both GT and Touring Cars.

From Lucas Ordonez twitter.

SuperGT and DTM with same regulation from 2014?! Big news today!

Oh my god. Honda, Nissan, Toyota in my DTM? Yes Please!!!

 

[RX-7_FD3S]

Yeah since 2010 they were slowly changing car so both regulation slowly change to the same. You can see that in GT300 also were more and more GT3 cars are racing.

I thought it was aimed to be a 2015 things tho. I wonder if DTM gonna take the 2 driver system or if SuperGT will loose that. I've only read rumor about car regulations beeing the same, but the race system is quite different in both series, SuperGT race are closer to endurance than DTM.

BTW that's why we had the Lexus prototype that fitted the DTM rules in GT5 if I remember correctly.

 

[Carlos]

BTW that's why we had the Lexus prototype that fitted the DTM rules in GT5 if I remember correctly.

Good notice 👍

 

[Liquid]

Let's face it, despite the name it's a stretch to class the DTM as 'touing cars'.

They've been GTs for the last 12 years.

 

[Ardius]

BTW that's why we had the Lexus prototype that fitted the DTM rules in GT5 if I remember correctly.

There isn't much information on it but the wiki entry on it (which references a broken link) states that it was designed way before then in 2008 and was "just for fun". Though it was for DTM regulations.
I don't believe its related to these DTM-SuperGT talks.

I hope some people finally now see DTM is effectively a GT series now..especially as its now running in tandem with a GT series.

Didn't Sega's Touring Car Championship game predict this back in 1996?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tpO1uHcc-xc

 

[Jav]

Seth was right, to my understanding this deal had fell trough months ago. It's good to see they've worked out their differences and will now work together. Can't wait, it should be some awesome racing!!

 

[MatskiMonk]

Wasn't the Lexus 'DTM concept' and old rebodied Opel DTM car.. I seem to recall a lot of people saying that at the time.

I'm pretty sure one of the driving forces behind BMW rejoining DTM was the possibility of a merger with other series' regulations... IIRC the other one that was mentioned was Aussie V8's.

 

[freshseth83]

Taken from another forum by user Japanese Samurai-

GTA and ITR agree on unification of 2014 technical regulations.
*All of full length, height, width, wheel base, tire size, etc. are unified.
*Although the size of monocoque is also the same, it is made in Japan.
*Front spoiler, floor board, rear diffuser, wing, and main parts are unified.
*Engine is 2 liter inline 4 cylinder DI turbo.
*Only a fill opening and an exhaust outlet are changed.
http://as-web.jp/news/info.php?c_id=2&no=44245

Motorsport.com's story on it... interesting that DTM and SGT will allow the eachother's cars to enter next year with BOP.

 

[Jav]

The 'new gen" DTM car's production ended up going over budget and costing the teams/manufacturers more money than they've planned for, wich is why they where so desperate to join forces with SuperGT or Grand Am to help them bring those costs down. Apparently they've found a good compromise on their goal and will allow SuperGT to have their cars made by Dome instead of Dallara as DTM initially wanted it to be.

 

[Ardius]

Who wants to bet that most of the cost for DTM is caused by Dallara's pricey spare parts? I've heard plenty about that from other quarters (Indycar and F3)..now that Lola have gone Dallara are really in a market of their own these days and it seems they can (and do) demand whatever they like.

Is there a possibility of some of the DTM teams switching to a Dome chassis for this reason? It would be nice to see other chassis manufacturers come into the market a bit more rather than Dallara holding a monopoly.

 

[Jav]

Is there a possibility of some of the DTM teams switching to a Dome chassis for this reason?

I doubt it, they'll only end up paying a huge bill for a chasis they'll be no longer using.

 

[Furinkazen]

And a bill for breach of supplier contract with Dallara?

 

[Ardius]

Not immediately of course, but that makes me interested - when does DTM's Dallara contract run to?

 

[freshseth83]

From what I have read and heard, the Japanese manufacturers will be allowed to make their own chassis' as long as they're spec to the DTMs.

 

[CodeRedR51]

I'm pretty sure one of the driving forces behind BMW rejoining DTM was the possibility of a merger with other series' regulations... IIRC the other one that was mentioned was Aussie V8's.

Aussie V8's should stay the way they are. No big fender flares, etc. Looking as close to factory as possible. That's one of the things that makes them so great.

 

[MatskiMonk]

Aussie V8's should stay the way they are. No big fender flares, etc. Looking as close to factory as possible. That's one of the things that makes them so great.

I agree... although I'd love for BMW to enter that too

Anyway, I think this is the article I was thinking of and it was grand-am, not Aussie V8's.

From TouringCarTimes.com http://www.touringcartimes.com/article.php?id=7117

BMW eyes future Super GT entry
BMW is considering to enter the Japanese Super GT championship in the future, according to Autosport. The new DTM regulations are set to be introduced in the Japanese championship with some differences, such as the engine size.
"BMW does not plan to produce a separate engine for Japan, but we envisage there will be some kind of performance balancing," said BMW Motorsport boss Jens Marquardt to Autosport.

The DTM runs 4.0 litre V8 engines while Super GT is going to continue with 3.4 litre V8 engines, something Marquardt does not see as a problem.
"If the balancing is done right, no," said Marquardt.

The DTM regulations are not only set for Japan, but also the USA with Grand-Am. The planned world-wide expansion of the DTM regulations was a precondition from BMW to enter the DTM ahead of 2012.

 

[CodeRedR51]

I agree... although I'd love for BMW to enter that too

There's a team switching to Benz E-Class for 2013. 👍

 

[Furinkazen]

 

[thewheelman83]

I feel uneasy about the GT500 having to use 2l turbo 4's while the DTM still using the V8's...like they have the upper hand.

 

[Furinkazen]

I feel uneasy about the GT500 having to use 2l turbo 4's while the DTM still using the V8's...like they have the upper hand.

But on flip side Super GT will have a ton of turbo boost to play with, and turbo boost levels can be turned up or down.

 

[Liquid]

Cross-germination of manufacturers would be excellent.

Honda, Nissan and Toyota in Europe and BMW, Audi and Mercedes in Asia? Now that would get me more interested in both series.

 

[hawkeye122]

I don't see why SuperGT couldn't use the V8's if they wanted. Would have a lower initial cost...

 

[sumbrownkid]

Because they are going to use the Formula Nippon engines that will used from 2014 onwards, so might as well get an early jump into it to flesh it out.

As for V8s vs turbo 4s...Why not? It's not like turbo tech slouched behind in the times.

 

[thewheelman83]

freshseth83 has some news on the DTM,

Japanese Autosport reports that DTM has agreed to use 2.0 liter Turbo 4 engines. The table shows 4.0 liter V8s for DTM in 2014. http://as-web.jp/news/info.php?c_id=2&no=46486

 

[hawkeye122]

That seems like advantage Audi, in my book. If they switch to Turbo cars, BMW and Mercedes will be way behind. Until recently, BMW fervently rejected Turbochargers. Audi has made small Turbo engines for years.

 

[freshseth83]

I posted this in the Grand Am thread-

Some news on the possible or upcoming American DTM series http://auto-racing.speedtv.com/article/grand-am-dtm-in-america-series-alive-gaining-momentum/ I really hope this comes to fruition and we see the German big 3 get it started. If they go I expect interest from the GT500 Super GT makes and possibly American makes.

 

[MLDoom]

This would be great if it actually kicks off. It would definitely bring another level of racing back to the States.

 

[MatskiMonk]

http://www.touringcartimes.com/2014...gree-on-details-of-new-class-one-regulations/

DTM and Super GT agree on details of new Class One regulations
The DTM and Super GT organisation met in Tokyo today together with the manufacturers involved in the championships in discussions around the newly named Class One regulations.
“The agreement between the leading car manufacturers in Germany and Japan is an important milestone on the way to a set of joint, globally implemented Class One regulations,” said Hans Werner Aufrecht, Chairman of DTM promoter ITR.

The new regulations are to be used by both championships from 2017 and includes the following details as confirmed in the meeting:

– Silhouette cars, similar to current DTM and Super GT cars
– Turbo-charged 4-cylinder engines of 600 hp
– Spectacular cars
– A high safety level
– Cutback of operation and development costs

Further details like test limitations, tyre specifications and the use of DRS were discussed during the meeting as well.

The overall strategy for the new Class One regulations is for the manufacturers to be able to run identical cars worldwide.

”It’s up to the manufacturers’ to decide if they want to let their Class-1 vehicle race at Suzuka today, at the Nürburgring next week and at Daytona in a fortnight. This possibility provides totally new marketing opportunities for the manufacturers. And the joint name, ‘Class One’, is an important component, so to speak the cramp that is holding it all together,” said Aufrecht.

Representatives from the American motor racing organisation IMSA, the sanctioning body of the Tudor United SportsCar Championship, were present during the meeting and are planning the implementation of the Class One regulations in the U.S.

”I’m delighted that we are going to demonstrate our common ground, in Europe, Japan and the USA, with this distinctive name. All these moves will help us achieving a variety of brands never witnessed before at the highest technical level and consequently, we will provide the crowds even more fascinating motor sport. Isn’t it a fantastic perspective that spectacular racing cars such as the DTM vehicles can be run all over the world at reasonable costs, in the future?” said Aufrecht.

 

[GTPorsche]

The US version of DTM must still be in the planning phase then. Haven't heard anything about it in a while now, but if they had representatives at the meeting, that's a good thing.

 

[catamount39]

This is fantastic news! This "Class-1" racer seems like its bringing back a form of old GT1 in a sense. I love the 600 Hp and that they must be spectacular.

Edit: After some thinking I thought of something - Instead of a US DTM series...could IMSA actually be thinking of using "Class-One" instead of prototype? Because its hard to think where US DTM would fit in. Or does it change TUSCC's structure to;
P (LMP2)
SGT ("Class-One")
GT (GT3)
I only think this because "Class-One" is a top tier sounding class, so does IMSA rewrite its structure to fit them into TUSCC?

Further still...does Class-One and GT3 get place at Le Mans and GTE phased out?