E-break vs. Throttle Drift

[DogFightKingz]

It all depends on the corner and what your trying to do. A good drifter should know both techniques

 

[K1ngKlicK]

I tap it every now and then when it's needed just to get that extra bit of distance. It's also essential if you want to do early entries, or even BW entries

Oh and as somebody said above, it can be used, and usually is used in tandems to help control speed and distance from the other cars door (paired with using your gears to speed up/down during the drift).

 

[MLG BAXY]

i kinda just go by instinct and use both sort of

 

[deadcell96]

I think it depends on what you're using. For controller I use the E-brake to get the back out. When I was practicing with the wheel, I never touched the E-brake, it was all Scandinavian flick.

 

[Lazy Liquid]

I think that there is a reason why non e-brake related techniques are more apreciated, specialy while tandeming (and doesn´t have nothing related to rear wheel lock):

1 - Greater speed entry and mantaining.
2 - Smoother angle transition and weight transition too.
3 - Smaller speed variation, witch helps in the tandem distance measure.

Otherwise, every tool i can use to save my paintjob, im not shy to use.

 

[JrDarknes]

I use the e brake a good bit, but I dont consider myself a noob at all.

Yea. I rip the e brake all the time If I'm going to enter a corner, but I dont think I'm a noob.

 

[xDriftzzinc]

I use throttle for most corners and e-brake if I stuff up so I can get my angle back for the next corner

Sorry but it's pointless to use the clutch due to the fact that the clutch in GT5 isn't that great

 

[Bobalob]

Sorry but it's pointless to use the clutch due to the fact that the clutch in GT5 isn't that great

It doesn't have a slip area yeah but it will always be usefull to kick it when bogging down

 

[BloodyPenguin]

I am a drifting noob and I only use Throttle. I find the E-Brake way too hard to use. Always messes me up.

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[pergatory]

In regards to sustaining a drift, the e-brake can be a useful tool. It has different characteristics from the normal brakes and other tools at your disposal. For example, say you have two consecutive corners in the same direction, almost a double apex but with a tiny straight between the two. Let's also say the second corner is tighter than the first to exaggerate the scenario. There's a moment between the two apexes where you need to shed a little speed since the second corner is tighter, but you need to do so without altering your line. You want to stay at the outside edge of the track for a little longer without losing your drift or diving into the corner yet, and that's where the e-brake comes in.

As far as using it to initiate a drift, honestly if you're using Comfort Hards there's just no reason to do this. Those tires are like driving in the snow in real life; a car with 150 horsepower can power-slide in 3rd gear. No need for an e-brake when you can just turn the wheel and floor it and the rear-end will come out in any car in any situation. Most drifters I've seen in GT5 don't realize it but they only know 1 technique: power-sliding. Very rarely do I see anything else. If you step it up to tires with more traction, you'll find yourself starting to utilize other techniques like the e-brake to initiate drifts aggressively.

Speaking of aggressive, it's a feature of the e-brake that keeps the pros using it. Judges like aggressive maneuvers, where you violently swing the rear-end out quickly and stop it quickly. The e-brake is great for doing that because it's such a violent process... You can go from a completely neutral load to full-lock sideways with very little transition.

 

[p78]

scandinavian flick is considered throttle?

 

[Bobalob]

scandinavian flick is considered throttle?

well it doesn't involve a handbrake

 

[p78]

+ i don't use e-brake when i drive a 4wd car either
but usually drive my 300zx

 

[prodigy34]

I myself have converted from an e-brake drifter to a throttle drifter i prefer it more because i can keep my speed more and it looks better in vids just my 2 cents

 

[Lazy Liquid]

whats dirt drop? is it like clutch kicking/dumping?

Its when you use the outsider part of the track (yes, the dirt) to induce slip and wheelspin. At some tracks (some many, honestly) this manuever is not possible because the lobbie owner have the bad habit of not set these areas as "realistic", then the grass have too much grip.

 

[Bobalob]

dirt drop is simply dropping a tyre into the dirt.

Nothing to do with initiating wheelspin. infact you'll have to throttle off to avoid a spin.

 

[Rykon Zero]

I never use the handbrake unless I mess up the corner entry and need a kick to get the car sideways. Otherwise, I use a bunch of weight transfer techniques slammed unceremoniously together to get the car sideways.

 

[Lazy Liquid]

dirt drop is simply dropping a tyre into the dirt.

Nothing to do with initiating wheelspin. infact you'll have to throttle off to avoid a spin.

In some cases, this technique is used to induce oversters, specialy with low hp cars. It can be used before the corner starts, witch would be dumb to release the throttle. In fact, you must release if you escape your line and touch the grave while cornering or exiting the corner, but this is not a dirt drop, its just a mistake. Also, lobbies with arcadish outsides doesnt offer oportunity for good dirt drops, because your car will gain grip instead lose it.

For a better understanding, i left this link.

 

[Bobalob]

not sure what your going on about but it isn't a dirt drop.

I'm talking about one of the rear wheels running offtrack. this would mean your already sliding, already with wheelspin... your suggesting one side of thecar (must be two wheels?) leaving the track ? ....

 

[DaveM-sport]

not sure what your going on about but it isn't a dirt drop.

I'm talking about one of the rear wheels running offtrack. this would mean your already sliding, already with wheelspin... your suggesting one side of thecar (must be two wheels?) leaving the track ? ....

No, it only needs to be your outside wheel that drops off the tar.

Its easy to get your inside back wheel to loose traction due to it turning a tigther radius and weight being put to the front and outside wheels.

It requires abit more power to make the outside wheel break traction as its making a greater arc as well as being loaded up as you turn into the corner.

Unless you have the power to overcome the grip, a dirt drop can be very useful to ensure both rear wheels loose traction and enable you to maintain the drift.


I use as much techniques as I can in different situations, e-brake and sometimes braking drift for long entries or where I have to scrub off alot of speed or linking a fast corner into a slower/tighter one

feint and flicks into corners where I'm already going slow enough to get a good line.

clutch kick if I'm bogging down or if I'm starting to spin/continuing the corner after a backwards entry etc once the LSD is setup right... even if the clutch is horrible in the game.

 

[Lazy Liquid]

not sure what your going on about but it isn't a dirt drop.

I'm talking about one of the rear wheels running offtrack. this would mean your already sliding, already with wheelspin... your suggesting one side of thecar (must be two wheels?) leaving the track ? ....

Dirt Drop is a drifting technique that is done by dropping the rear tires of a drift car off the sealed street onto dirt or gravel, or whatever low grip surface borders the street, to maintain or gain drift angle. In some countries, the Dirt Drop drifting technique is referred to as Dirt Turbo.

What you said is not wrong. The "Dirt Drop" momentum can be in many diferent ways. Also it can be used with the rear wheels single or both.

Some exemples:




The second video is my favorite, because he used the dirt drop between the first and the second corner, and i think that he used this to prepare the second entry with enough torque and angle.

Also, for intentional understering in a badly tight entry you can use e-brake to slide straight or sometimes you have room to put only your front wheels on the gravel. Thats a diferent type of dirt drop.

Resuming: Dirt drop is about to find a spot in the track with more slip and use it to break the grip, in many diferent ways. Arcadish gravel wont let you use this technique.

 

[Bobalob]

.... what is all this lol

My point is there is no way you can get JUST the rear wheels off the track when in full traction. You MUST be oversteering already so breaking traction is irrelevant.

 

[AbLoEnXd]

I use good ol inertia, with a healthy dose of throttle.

👍 my favorite technique. the e brake is too odd to use on the dfgt, so i mainly use feints and braking drifts. plus it teaches u alot about proper balance and weight shifting.

 

[Lazy Liquid]

.... what is all this lol

My point is there is no way you can get JUST the rear wheels off the track when in full traction. You MUST be oversteering already so breaking traction is irrelevant.

It depends on the car, if its relevant or not. Start slip and overstering is only one ingredient of the entire recipe.

Maybe i expressed myself wrong when i said "dirt drop create slip and wheelspin". I want to replace create by raise.

 

[prodigy34]

You guys are taking this over the edge the question was E-break vs. Throttle Drift

 

[mikeonthebike]

i good drifter will use all the tools needs to achieve a drift, just cause you can initiate a drift with or without e-brake doesn't make anyone better. imo a good drifter is someone who can apply all of the techniques, on all kinds of different situations..

using the ebrake does take some skill also.. not to initiate a drift. but to maintain one. much more is are going on simultaneously.for example when tandem drifting.. initiate drift, maintain throttle, keep angle, pull ebrake ( tandem situation) down shift to keep rpms. ect ect.. all while drifting door to door.., much more so with a wheel.

i never initiate a drift with the e-brake unless i want a long entry. but i use it quite often when doing tandems and touge. i mix it up.. but i prefer power over.. and since i have a g27 thier are many more techniques you can apply simply because of the clutch.

a good drifter is one who can apply all the tools is his little bag of tricks... imo

word!!!! g27 also. little combination of it all while shifting WITH the clutch. and If I want an insanely long entry or a reverse entry I'll use inertia whip and a control it with ebrake and steering input (gradual or rather a proportional ebrake... not an on off ebrake button)

 

[muppet]

I never use the handbrake unless I mess up the corner entry and need a kick to get the car sideways. Otherwise, I use a bunch of weight transfer techniques slammed unceremoniously together to get the car sideways.

Same here. Shifting and throttle

 

[xx_kasino_xx]

Dirt Drop is a drifting technique that is done by dropping the rear tires of a drift car off the sealed street onto dirt or gravel, or whatever low grip surface borders the street, to maintain or gain drift angle. In some countries, the Dirt Drop drifting technique is referred to as Dirt Turbo.

What you said is not wrong. The "Dirt Drop" momentum can be in many diferent ways. Also it can be used with the rear wheels single or both.

Some exemples:




The second video is my favorite, because he used the dirt drop between the first and the second corner, and i think that he used this to prepare the second entry with enough torque and angle.

Also, for intentional understering in a badly tight entry you can use e-brake to slide straight or sometimes you have room to put only your front wheels on the gravel. Thats a diferent type of dirt drop.

Resuming: Dirt drop is about to find a spot in the track with more slip and use it to break the grip, in many diferent ways. Arcadish gravel wont let you use this technique.

👍👍

 

[savage_80]

You really should use every one of the techniques, I myself tent to use Feint (scandinavian flick) and Inertia ( lift off over steer)

 

[1g]

in the drift bible,
with keiichi tsuchiya,
It's taught: use all skills.