End Times Prophecy...

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Originally posted by pupik
Any splinter group off the mainsteam of any religion, and be considered a cult. The word "cult", doesn't always have negative assosciations, despite it's excessive usage in modern-day media. However, few Jews berre baptizing, and not all beleived that a Messiah would come.

Ok, I see where you are on that...


Big deal. Everyone was proclaiming to be the Messiah at the time. There were plenty coming before and since Jesus' time. The Romans came to Judea at the moment, and sure messed the whole thing up. Not that the area was a particularly stable one before or since, anyhow.
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Jesus was special. He fulfilled all the prophecies that had been talked about for 3,500 years (since the beginning of the earth).

So John didn't write his own Gospel, but he wrote Revelations 100 years later than that? I don't think that is so. I got my sources, by the way, from The New American Catholic Bible; copyright 1987.
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ARGH! IT'S NOT HIS BOOK!!!!! Most of the books in the New testament were letters to other people. John the Baptist was dead long before the Books of John or Revelations were written. It was John the Apostle (John of Zebedee) who wrote Revelation, and it was to him that the 4th book of the New testament was written, NOT JOHN THE BAPTIST! And you're right in saying that you don't think it was written 100 years later BECAUSE IT WASN'T!!! it was supposedly written in 70 A.D., which is only 40 years after the Gospels were written. Granted, the life span back then was only about 40, but keep in mind that the Romans could not kill him (they threw him in boiling oil). so I think thatwould add the necessary years to his life (if he's given divine immunity to all deadly diseases and such).

Actually, I've read both New and Old Testaments, cover-to-cover, twice. Without anyone telling me to do so; I did it out of respect for gaining knowledge and truth about religions.
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You obviously didn't pay much attention to the actual Word of God (it seems as though you just briefly skimmed it without taking anything from it). You were more interested in the subtitles and notes (which can be misleading). Obviously this Catholic Bible needs to get its facts straight.
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Originally posted by danoff
all religious groups are cult - scary, weird cults.

Tell me (symbolically) drinking the blood of you're icon doesn't make you a cult.
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Ok, we're not actually drinking his blood; that's just morbid. His blood was shed for the forgiveness of our sin, drinking a cup of grape juice saying it's jesus' blood is just an outward symbol that our sins are forgiven. If you have a problem with that, then don't take communion (simple as that, it's between you and God).
 
Uhm, please note that no-one was around back then, so we don't know how the earth started. So we don't know if it was just a big rock floating in space that fell into the orbit of the sun, or if it was God saying "Exist" and there it was. I believe that the earth only began 5-6000 years ago, but you all might think it started 4.6 billion years ago. please don't go spouting off these theories as fact, because they have yet to be proved...
 
Originally posted by Jpec07
Ok, we're not actually drinking his blood; that's just morbid. His blood was shed for the forgiveness of our sin, drinking a cup of grape juice saying it's jesus' blood is just an outward symbol that our sins are forgiven. If you have a problem with that, then don't take communion (simple as that, it's between you and God).
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No it is blood. And your god would be mad at you for saying any different. If it was just grape juice why would the priest perform all his voo-doo over it? In the consecration the priest says, quoting Jesus, "Drink my blood." Why are you ashamed of it? Just admit your religion is perverse, that it is based on the death of your god and is filled with morbid ritual.
 
Originally posted by Jpec07
Uhm, please note that no-one was around back then, so we don't know how the earth started. So we don't know if it was just a big rock floating in space that fell into the orbit of the sun, or if it was God saying "Exist" and there it was. I believe that the earth only began 5-6000 years ago, but you all might think it started 4.6 billion years ago. please don't go spouting off these theories as fact, because they have yet to be proved...
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uhhhh,.. eh,... uhhh,.. it has been....... just recently actually.
 
Originally posted by Jpec07
Uhm, please note that no-one was around back then, so we don't know how the earth started. So we don't know if it was just a big rock floating in space that fell into the orbit of the sun, or if it was God saying "Exist" and there it was. I believe that the earth only began 5-6000 years ago, but you all might think it started 4.6 billion years ago. please don't go spouting off these theories as fact, because they have yet to be proved...
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Um, actually the age of the earth is written in stone, literally. There are human skulls 120,00 years old, and earth is at lest 5 billion years old. There doesn't have to have been anyone around. It's called science. I know it hurts to admit because it turns your Christianity into an itty-bitty little thing in the history of the world, but, it shouldn't matter, unless it doesn't really satisfy you.
 
May I recommend,.. though slightly off-topic,.. watching "Walking With Cavemen" on the Discovery Channel, next Sunday the 15th at 8pm. ;)

It WILL be the most informative and watched documentary in the history of cable television,... not because it's fake either ;)
 
Originally posted by Red Eye Racer
May I recommend,.. though slightly off-topic,.. watching "Walking With Cavemen" on the Discovery Channel, next Sunday the 15th at 8pm. ;)

It WILL be the most informative and watched documentary in the history of cable television,... not because it's fake either ;)
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im watching it
 
Originally posted by Jpec07
Ok, we're not actually drinking his blood; that's just morbid.
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Well, yes, you are. It's called the miracle of Transubstantiation, and it was/is a fundamental cornerstone of Catholic theology. The wine literally becomes the blood of Christ and the wafer becomes His flesh. I'm not claiming that you are Catholic, but you need to understand that this is the basis of Holy Communion.
 
Where the heck are you pulling this "It's been proven" crap out of? IT'S A THEORY, THERE ISN'T ENOUGH EVIDENCE EITHER WAY TO SUPPORT IT!!!!!
 
Originally posted by Jpec07
Where the heck are you pulling this "It's been proven" crap out of? IT'S A THEORY, THERE ISN'T ENOUGH EVIDENCE EITHER WAY TO SUPPORT IT!!!!!
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Yes there is. I'm not a geologist so I'm sorry I can't prove it right now for you. But dating rocks is a science. I believe the oldest rocks on the surface of Earth are jutting out somewhere is Scottland, 4.something billion years old. Yep.
 
Originally posted by neon_duke
Well, yes, you are. It's called the miracle of Transubstantiation, and it was/is a fundamental cornerstone of Catholic theology. The wine literally becomes the blood of Christ and the wafer becomes His flesh. I'm not claiming that you are Catholic, but you need to understand that this is the basis of Holy Communion.
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I am not a Catholic. This Transubstantination stuff is a load of Bull, but if you believe it then you can go start a cult of your own.
 
Originally posted by milefile
Yes there is. I'm not a geologist so I'm sorry I can't prove it right now for you. But dating rocks is a science. I believe the oldest rocks on the surface of Earth are jutting out somewhere is Scottland, 4.something billion years old. Yep.
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and how did they find out that it was 4 billion years old? Carbon Dating? that stuff is as inacurate as a drunk man who can't hold his liquor throwing a dart (that's been proven). And don't say radioactive dating either, because that's just as inacurate.
 
Well, actually, there is. I suggest you revist the "Church and State" thread, which took a big detour through Evolution/Creation. It's all covered fairly heavily there.

Science does not know to the last decimal place exactly how and why and when it happened - but the weight of physical evidence in support of a natural origin for the Earth is so overwhelming that it takes complete denial to think it is false.
 
I'm not saying that the information was misprinted or denying it, however I know for a fact that carbon dating and radiometric dating are false.
 
Originally posted by Jpec07
and how did they find out that it was 4 billion years old? Carbon Dating? that stuff is as inacurate as a drunk man who can't hold his liquor throwing a dart (that's been proven). And don't say radioactive dating either, because that's just as inacurate.
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in extreme layman terms,.. it goes like this:

Basically, we can see to the edge of the universe,.. judging by how fast light travels, incorperated with our knowledge of how fast the universe is expanding,... scientists have concluded that the universe is approx 13 billion years old,... the Earth, is in the 4.5 billion year sector of the universe,... it's simple math once the factors (size of universe and how fast expanding) are put in place.

It all works out,.. I'd say trust me J07, but I dont think your mind will expand that far,.. especially if your a christian, yet deny Catholosism. Sorry to say :shrugs:
 
I know for a fact that carbon dating is false
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Oh, you do? Interesting. Actually, you know what you've been told by people who don't wish to have their dogma questioned.

Radioactive carbon dating is not accurate beyond about 50,000 years, and it's pretty much only accurate on land animals. The thing is, scientists know this, they don't try to deny it, AND they don't use that particular tool for anything beyond that.

Creationists like to point out its limits, and imply that it invalidates the whole method entirely, and imply that scientists use it much more than they actually do. It simply is not true.
 
I'M NOT A FREAKIN' CATHOLIC!!! And besides, how do you know God didn't start it off with the universe expanding (and we can't see the edge of the universe, it's waaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaay to far away. And besides, how do you know that God didn't start it off with us being able to see the stars?
 
ok, one way they proved the moon was moving away from earth was by looking at tidal patterns in rock structures. it showed that the moon was sowing moving away from earth since it was formed like 3 billion years ago or whatever. thats just ONE way to prove that the eath is not 6000 years old like you morons say (sorry).
 
Originally posted by Jpec07
(and we can't see the edge of the universe, it's waaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaay to far away.
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<-sigh-> I havn't the time nor the patience to debate this matter with a closed-minded individual like yourself. If you want the "scientific explainations",,.... look em up yourself,... other than that,.. go on living in your secure little world.
 
Originally posted by Red Eye Racer
<-sigh-> I havn't the time nor the patience to debate this matter with a closed-minded individual like yourself. If you want the "scientific explainations",,.... look em up yourself,... other than that,.. go on living in your secure little world.
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