F094/H clutch issues?

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Killtron86
I searched for this first.

I'm not to sure what this is but I'm having problems with the F094's rear tyres. they seem to spin slower than the car is moving when I'm decelerating in 1st or 2nd.
 
Like, they are slowing the car down?

Cause thats what high compresion does, (coses spin-outs when off the throttle) or atleast thats what happend to my f1 in 1st gear. (and my mom when she drove my dads Z28 :trouble: )
 
Hi, new on these boards, but not new to gt3!

I've actually also had this problem with the F094/h...for instance, on the Monaco chicane after the long curve, the back end tends to swing into the barrier...much like if the E-brake was on, even if I brake in a straight line. Any ideas? I considered adding more downforce but instead just switched to the F686/m. And it doesn't sound like more downforce would help if it's a "clutch issue."
 
Ya, thats what i was talking about, it bien like the E-brake was on.


as far as i know, thats the compression of the engine, i guess one way to fix it would be to change the limited slip.
 
Well...you downshift to make the engine slow the rear tires down, right? Well...F1 cars use absurdly high compression engines with extremely close gears. So, it slows down the rear tires a LOT (kinda like how it can get them going fast real quick, it gets them stopped real quick). When it does this to the rears, it's basically like pulling the hand brake, as they lock up. And....limited slip won't cure the problem. That will spread out the breaking force between the 2 rear tires, but it won't decrease the force, so it will still lock up when you go into 1st. The only real way to aviod this is to simply not downshift into first. Just stick to 2nd gear, and the back end won't slide out.
 
thanks a lot platypus, that seems to explain it pretty well.

A question, though- How come the other F1's don't seem to suffer similar problems? I've never noticed it but in the F094/h.
 
I believe that part of it is the toe setting, the rear tires are set to the highest toe-out, so it ends up like this:

LF | | RF

LR \ / RR

You could try fiddling with those settings a bit as well.
You might sacrifice some of the grip you get on long, sweeping corners, but I'm not entirely sure though.

Edit: Sorry about the poor diagram, but you get the point... I hope.
 
I had this problem a lot on the corkscrew when I was doing the 200 mile Laguna Seca race, what fixed it was never going below third. Try it out on slow, tight corners and see if you can notice a difference in performance, I sure did.
 
I've noticed this problem with the F1 cars but also with a few others. TCS can help but it sucks your power while you're at it. I just made sure to brake in a straight line, coast, steer and accelerate in a straight line, avoids any change of the rear sliding about.
 
Bah... I tend to think of coasting as 'slight throttle' these days because I never easy up completely except under really heavy braking. My bad. Just keep some light throttle, enough to keep the wheels gripping and matching the momentum of the car. I don't think there's really much else of a solution. If you start to feel/see the wheels locking up, blip the throttle a little.
 
Originally posted by mullin
A question, though- How come the other F1's don't seem to suffer similar problems? I've never noticed it but in the F094/h.

I'm not sure on this....I've only driven the F090/s and the F094/s. But, I had this problem on both of them. My guess is that these two are 10 cylinder cars, where the others are 8 and 6 cylinder. So, there are more cylinders slowing the rears down on these, and I'd assume that this makes the difference.

Poking at the throttle would help, I guess, but you wouldn't get the same braking power.

LSD won't really help. Here's how lsd works...(btw...drugs are bad ;)) We're concerned with decel here, but it works the same for accel.
When you downshift, you have 100% of the engine power decelerating the rear tires.
The LSD checks the traction on each tire, and splits up the power, say....60% to the left, 40% to the right (figure out which way we're turning? :)).
But....you still have 100% going to the rear tires total.
If that 100% is enough to break traction, it will.

However, if only 1 tire is breaking traction, then increasing the LSD will help, as it will even out the power. But still...if the braking power is too high, you'll lose traction, except now with both tires. (This is why LSD is good for drifting....you EVENLY slip the tires. But remember....drugs are bad.)
 
The problem isn't during braking though, he's finished braking and is coasting through the chicane for example, so it won't reduce your braking power that noticably.
 
Oh, I see....you're coasting and your rear wheels are just kinda dragging along, sliding. Well.....just upshift to 2nd. In an F1, starting in 2nd is still plenty fast, and you don't lose the stability with the rears locked up.
 
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