F1 performance old vs. New

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Best way of thinking of KERS is attaching a dyno onto the rear wheel of your push bike. Would give the impression the rear brake is rubbing constantly. I think this was the initial problem McLaren and Ferrari had to overcome in 2009 and why they struggled so much at the start of the season (and double diffuser development), it had a drastic change to the cars handling under braking which in turn affected tyre wear.
 
FIA to issue a directive at the British GP requiring changes to 'fuelled exhausts' and, by dint, the blown diffuser technology.

That's according to the BBC news feed, more to follow...
 
Q time 2004 with V10 powered cars.

Ralf Schumacher = 1:12.275
Sebastian Vettel = 1m13.014s

That time would have placed him 3rd on the grid in 2004.
 
Blimey - that's quick!

I guess you've got to factor in the DRS - I think the figure I heard today suggests that drivers used it for around 65% of the lap. In the race of course they'll only be able to use it on the 'back' straight and the main straight.

Still, it shows how much time the designers claw back year after year!
 
I'm glad you posted about the tires. Supposedly the most important technological advancements in the past few decades for motorsport has been the tires. It's too bad that F1 is no longer advancing the development of tires.

I know the title of this thread is old vs new, but the point is really so I get know all the little details of F1. I generally hear it referred to as being the fastest form of car racing. I find it hard to be a big fan of most professional racing leagues, but I do watch on occasion. I remember in the days of GT4, and it must have been in like 2005... When I watched a race when Schumacher was winning all the time. In this race I saw him battle it out from like last place to first place. He actually tail braked into corners with a puff or two of smoke coming off one front tire. He passed people practically drifting in an F1. It was really cool to me since all I knew of F1 was the GT4 F1 car in the game, and that one was incredibly fast. I tried to drive the GT4 F1 in the same way and got pretty good, eventually. Every F1 race I've watched since then hasn't been as exciting... But it's still alright.

I do enjoy RallyCross all the time, no matter what, though. :D

yep.. schumi always liked to have his car set up for oversteer.
 
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Blimey - that's quick!

I guess you've got to factor in the DRS - I think the figure I heard today suggests that drivers used it for around 65% of the lap. In the race of course they'll only be able to use it on the 'back' straight and the main straight.

Still, it shows how much time the designers claw back year after year!

yup and KERS which adds another 80hp!

but the BMW engine back then produced around 950hp with a rumoured 1.000hp on Monza.
it was so powerful tyat when alonso in the renault drafted the bmw, he could only get side by side :)
it was like he hit a wall after he got out off the draft.
 
The exhaust technology used by the 'top teams' (for that read all non-Cosworth teams) will be limited to 10% of throttle map when the driver lifts off the accelerator. This will be in force from the British GP 2011 onwards.

From 2012 the rules will require a longer exhaust layout that exits vertically from a circular aperture 300-350mm behind the rear wheel centerline and higher on the reference plane than is currently allowed.

[Link - BBC F1]
 
And some fools want to change to 1.6L 4 cylinder engines in 2013. Fools

These engines will be turbocharged. I've heard arguments about turbocharged F1 engines not sounding as great as the current V8s. Personally, that shouldn't matter, you watch F1 for the racing, not to see who has the best sounding engine. If I was guaranteed great, entertaining racing in a series which uses Peugeot 106s with coffee tin exhausts, I'd watch it (just with the TV muted :p).
 
These engines will be turbocharged. I've heard arguments about turbocharged F1 engines not sounding as great as the current V8s. Personally, that shouldn't matter, you watch F1 for the racing, not to see who has the best sounding engine. If I was guaranteed great, entertaining racing in a series which uses Peugeot 106s with coffee tin exhausts, I'd watch it (just with the TV muted :p).

You don't get much of the engine noise on TV anyway, you'll only notice a big difference if you visit the tracks. Engine note will change by quite a bit yes, but TV viewers won't notice it was much as the people at the track (This is assuming that the 4 cyclinder turbo engines are quieter than the current V8s, which I expect will be the case).
 
Interesting they broke the track record at montreal this year. DRS must be great for the straight speed and still allow them to run enough wing to handle the turns fast.
 
Interesting they broke the track record at montreal this year. DRS must be great for the straight speed and still allow them to run enough wing to handle the turns fast.

They didn't. Track records are set during races, not qualifying or practice. The lap record is 1:13.622 set by Rubens Barrichello in 2004. The fastest lap set during the race was by Jenson Button. 1:16.956 on lap 69. The race did break two records though. It is officially the longest ever (championship) grand prix at 4 hours, 4 minutes and 39.537 seconds (the red flag time is included). It also broke the record for the most safety cars during a grand prix with 6.
 
Vettel's Q3 time was a 1:13.014 (The top 5 in Q3 were all below Rubens' 2004 time). But because it wasn't in the race I guess it doesn't count...?
 
Vettel's Q3 time was a 1:13.014 (The top 5 in Q3 were all below Rubens' 2004 time). But because it wasn't in the race I guess it doesn't count...?


No. Lap records are only set during race conditions. In 2004 (the year the record was set), 8 people set a faster time than a 1:13.622. Ralf Schumacher took pole with a 1:12.275.
 
doesnt make sense. lap records should be at the fastest section of qualifying

It does make sense... qualifying isn't normally a representation of race pace.

As posted somewhere above; if quali laps counted then Ralf Schumacher would be the lap record holder. Noone this weekend went faster than that anyway.
 
doesnt make sense. lap records should be at the fastest section of qualifying

It does. A lap record is something that should be special to have. Something that can stand for a while. Lap records would mean nothing if they were all set on new tires, with low fuel and no traffic.

When you see a lap record, you know that it was set on tires that maybe weren't at their peak, or when a car has been carrying quite a bit of fuel or has to contend with traffic. A lap record is a perfect lap and is something special.
 
A lap record in my mind should be the fastest lap set at the track, so should include qually. But the day the fia change rules will be the day hell freezes over.
 
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A lap record in my mind should be the fastest lap set at the track, so should include qually. But the day the fia change rules will be the day hell freezes over.

You're missing the point.
 
Its irrelevant anyway, because the different fastest laps (whether its in qualifying, races, practice or testing or whatever) are always going be set in different conditions with different rules, cars, etc.
All the fastest laps of this year in qualifying and races are "tainted" by DRS.
 
Its irrelevant anyway, because the different fastest laps (whether its in qualifying, races, practice or testing or whatever) are always going be set in different conditions with different rules, cars, etc.
All the fastest laps of this year in qualifying and races are "tainted" by DRS.

How so? Even without DRS, the cars from 2004/2005 (which hold most of the track records) hit higher top speeds than the current cars do with DRS enabled.
 
There is also no refueling, so the cars are only lightest during the last few laps, but in previous years they were very light every time before they refueled.
 
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