Fanatec Announcements: CSW V2 Reviews Out

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I think Darin is behaving a little childish in the whole matter, and Thomas acted very professional even though the whole bashing on ISR forum, by offering dialog.

But on the other hand, no one of us knows the whole story btw Darin and Thomas/Fanatec and that is how it should stay, IMO.

I think there are a lot other valid opinions out there besides ISR.
For me, the reviews on GTP are more then enough :D

On the topic, it's great news that the CSP V2 are confirmed. Now just a time table for the products would be great. ;)
 
Even with an extra 6 months i dont see that problems wont arrise from using contracting companies assembly. the only control over QC thomas will have is Angies List (or whatever they have like it) that tells him which companies are reliable, quick, and accurate/professional. he will get to tour the factory and oversee the assembly process but its not like he controls the actual labor processes, the assembly plant manager does that. so if thomas goes up to the guys with the white hard hats and says "take an extra month and make sure there are no problems", they will probably roll their eyes and say, "Look, you chose us to do the job- let us do it. of course we have great quality control, thats why you chose us over all the other bidders for this contract.." except ya gotta think Thomas might actually want to turn a profit and went with the lowest bid that he felt comfortable contacting his baby out to. i'm sure he hopes like everyone here that they will spend the most time on QC. I wont start my Chinese manufacturing process talk again here, it will just fall on deaf ears. i just want everyone to understand that although it is thomas' product and he oversees the production, it will be hard for him to micromanage all the personnel in charge of fulfilling the contracted labor agreement. The only way to fully control every aspect of the build is to do it in-house.
 
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Simmpa
I linked to that post Darin made and wrote something like "no more Fanatec wheels for Darin?" and guess what? My comment have been removed :lol:

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Well I was blocked from their Youtube account because of pointing out a bunch of inaccuracies regarding a review they made (clearly a rushed review when they praise themselfs for taking their time) so nothing new there...
 
lemansfanatic
The only way to fully control every aspect of the build is to do it in-house.
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This is why we have our own office with 5 chinese employees directly at the factory. We can check everything at anytime for ourselves and work very close with our manufacturer. It is the same one for 13 years and they are fully responsible for the quality they produce so that the motivation is high to solve all issues.
Even if we would make it in Germany there are always people you have to trust.
 
On the other hand bringing things back home is better for the (local) economy even if it makes products more expensive. Actually going back to local production right now is the way to get the economy back into shape. So it will purely have to be to give a fellow countryman a job so he can feed his family as well as giving him purchasing power to by your products.
I am sure however it won't make much of a difference when it comes to build quality.
 
Ah thanks for clarifying the 10 year lifespan thing Thomas 👍

Looking forward to seeing what Fanatec has in store for us in regards to wheel rims :dopey:

I am getting very hyped indeed
 
Well if the launch of the Clubsport series equals that of the CSR and CSR Elite series then you would expect it to be released around the same time. If not maybe at the same time.
 
Fanatec products go hand in hand with delayed release dates, but still they are worth the wait.
 
Thomas, whats the lifespan of the Elite?
After the comment about the clubsport timeline with no mention of the elite, i'm starting to lose that warm fuzzy feeling about dropping $500 on it. please clarify what your future intentions are on the elite.
 
My personal feelings about the Elite, and how long it was meant to last, all depend on how you feel about availability of different wheel rims. If you can be happy with a GT wheel and a Formula wheel, I think the wheel should be good for the next 10 years, unless there is a major breakthrough in FFB technology before that.
 
superbike81
My personal feelings about the Elite, and how long it was meant to last, all depend on how you feel about availability of different wheel rims. If you can be happy with a GT wheel and a Formula wheel, I think the wheel should be good for the next 10 years, unless there is a major breakthrough in FFB technology before that.
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Certainly i would be happy with the wheel and rim itself, thats not the issue, the issue is the supported games and firmware updates for the next gen consoles, etc. you know -the life span of the functulionality/compatability with ffb on upcoming and unreleased games or systems. i'm sure the hardware will last a while, is seems pretty stout, but if the next gen playstation or whatever comes out and all of the drivers/firmware updates go to the csw and not the elite, i will be less than thrilled.
 
I think Elite is Fanatec's best baby for 360.
and CSW is Fanatec's best baby

Since both share the base, I want to believe they will support and care for both?

($500+ for csr-e, they better will)
 
obazavil
I think Elite is Fanatec's best baby for 360.
and CSW is Fanatec's best baby

Since both share the base, I want to believe they will support and care for both?

($500+ for csr-e, they better will)
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I am sure that fanatec will have something new at Forza 5 launch. That won't nesecarily need to be a new wheel.(new rims for elite, improved CSR???)
 
lemansfanatic
Certainly i would be happy with the wheel and rim itself, thats not the issue, the issue is the supported games and firmware updates for the next gen consoles, etc. you know -the life span of the functulionality/compatability with ffb on upcoming and unreleased games or systems. i'm sure the hardware will last a while, is seems pretty stout, but if the next gen playstation or whatever comes out and all of the drivers/firmware updates go to the csw and not the elite, i will be less than thrilled.
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Well the problem there is Fanatec has no control over how Microsoft or Playstation program their controller interfaces. If they implement something that is completely incompatible with Fanatec's electronics, no amount of firmware/driver updating in the world will get it working.
 
Mr Latte
Logitech who they often get compared with do not update their wheel products often..
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I could be wrong on this - please correct me if I am - but I think I've been told how at some point during 2011 Logitech have decided to move away from their wheel-program.

There was something involving tsunami in Japan and problems with stocks and clearing all European stocks in favour of USA Market which additionally complicated their projections.

And if I remember well, I was told how they will not develop any new wheel-peripherals in foreseeable future. But since I can't dig any written-evidence of above, please take it with the grain of salt.
 
That would be a shame AMAR. Never nice to see anyone drop out of the market.
 
amar212
And if I remember well, I was told how they will not develop any new wheel-peripherals in foreseeable future.
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Also they are still reasonably positioned themselves to entry level price segment. If they manage to cut the costs and find ways to increase usage of same components between the lineup, they might have a profitable future even without R&D for some time.(before next technological leap)

In short, not to develop new wheels is not same as not manufacture any.
 
Logitech wheels, much like the game rFactor, would have been MUCH less successful if it wasn't for the modding community. It's why they have been able to go about 7 (?) years now without a major update.
 
obazavil
I think Elite is Fanatec's best baby for 360.
and CSW is Fanatec's best baby

Since both share the base, I want to believe they will support and care for both?

($500+ for csr-e, they better will)
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Hence my worry, that there is no mention of timeline for update support like he mentioned for CSW...
 
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superbike81
Well the problem there is Fanatec has no control over how Microsoft or Playstation program their controller interfaces. If they implement something that is completely incompatible with Fanatec's electronics, no amount of firmware/driver updating in the world will get it working.
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But at least you wouldn't be dead in the water with a useless wheel. Thomas stated that if something like that happened the CSR E could be upgraded by simply swapping out the PCB. The Elite is quite simple in its construction and the board is very easy to access and remove and all wiring on said board is plug and play.
 
thehawk05
But at least you wouldn't be dead in the water with a useless wheel. Thomas stated that if something like that happened the CSR E could be upgraded by simply swapping out the PCB. The Elite is quite simple in its construction and the board is very easy to access and remove and all wiring on said board is plug and play.
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Yes i agree, i think i meant more about the PC functionality of the elite should get the same timeline treatment of the CSW. If you think about it, with less features it should be easier to keep updated. yes i'm sure the next xbox will use some proprietary ffb method not invented yet remdering my elite obsoleteon consoles, but i'll be okay with that as long as i can still play the newest PC games with it.
 
amar212
I could be wrong on this - please correct me if I am - but I think I've been told how at some point during 2011 Logitech have decided to move away from their wheel-program.

There was something involving tsunami in Japan and problems with stocks and clearing all European stocks in favour of USA Market which additionally complicated their projections.

And if I remember well, I was told how they will not develop any new wheel-peripherals in foreseeable future. But since I can't dig any written-evidence of above, please take it with the grain of salt.
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I hope they at least keep the DFGT or a variant around for a while. It's a very competent wheel and an affordable way to get into proper racing on a PS3 or PC. When you can grab one on sale for close to $100 US it's a steal.

lemansfanatic
Hence my worry, that there is no mention of timeline for update support like he mentioned for CSW...
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I haven't seen that timeline. Does it include PS3 support or just PC? I ask because PCs are much more flexible, and as long as Fanatec maintains up to date drivers they could ensure CSW support indefinitely. With consoles (especially the Xbox with its custom USB implementation and security chips) it's a lot tougher to guarantee future compatibility. I love my Fanatec CSR Elite, but I bought it assuming it won't work with the next Xbox (would like to be proven wrong), hoping it will work with the PS4 and knowing it'll work with my PC for years.
 

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