Fanatec CSL Elite Racing Wheel Thread- officially licensed for PS4

Discussion in 'Sim Racing Hardware' started by PzR Slim, May 31, 2017.

  1. DoctorNuu

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    Yes, CSL Elite Pedals. My mod is way better than loadcell.
    I like the standard pedals very much. Total German engineering bang-for-the-buck!

    I experimented with the LC settings, but the thing is just not precise enough for smaller forces.
    Two streamers are using the Clubsport pedals instead, they seem to be much better.

    Can't see myself forking out €350, I'd rather build one myself from a €19.99 bathroom scale.
    They feature 4 loadcells, so it's just €5 per cell ;-) Plus they seem extremely precise!
     
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  2. Caner ARIK

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    Hi everyone, maybe mentioned in early posts but there are so many so I could find it.

    I would like to hear experiences regarding FFB comparison between BMW GT2 and Porsche 918 RSR attached on "CSL ELITE BASE PS4".
    I am trying to choose a rim fo my CSL Elite and had BMW in mind but I recently came across more than one posts saying that I'd lose FFB with BMW due to weight. apart from theoretical, I think the best way to learn is to hear from experience.

    Thanks a lot for your inputs.
     
  3. DoctorNuu

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    My theoretical physics/mechanics input is that it's absolute BS to say that you lose FFB due to weight.
     
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  4. super_gt

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    Here is an example that is very exaggerated but gives a good idea of how you lose FFB due to weight.
    Imagine that the steering wheel weighs 100kg. Even if the electric motor can move this 100kg steering wheel, the acceleration and speed will be much lower. That is why you will only feel big forces like big bumps, curbs and big oversteering moments, but the feeling will be weak. The other fine details in the FFB will disappear completely.
    Of course the difference in weight between CSL Elite steering wheel and BMW GT2 steering wheel is only 1kg and the difference in the FFB will be very small, but still there will be a difference.
     
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  5. DoctorNuu

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    Thx for confirming
     
  6. Knukel

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    It truly is impossible to get into simracing using Fanatec gear - Two years of customership, 4 wheel bases, 3 ignored RMA's and over 900€ spent for 'not a single working unit'...

    This is my 3rd and last unit from 2018, an used one 6 months later:

    Please increase volume to max. so you get the idea in 10 seconds of viewing, thanks.
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    FEI 0 -> 100.




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    By single effects missing he's referring to my examples of lack of feel from rumble strips (*1st video)... But nothing is actually missing as the FFB -signal is there, but due to the slack/deadzone you can't feel them. And that looseness is exactly what's causing the noise.

    Also isn't it pretty odd to open a 'perfectly fine unit'... Unless, you're looking for a quick fix.

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    My 4th and current unit is tighter than my earlier base - But unlike my two first decentering bases, this one is also very nonreactive, weak and noisy:


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    I'm tired of repeating the same since my 2nd unit was replaced over 1,5 years ago... But basically all the snaps/pops all are lost/failed FFB -details. I don't even hold the rim properly, it's that weak!
    You'd imagine FEI 100 to give responsive FFB, but no... Just faulty loud noise and a feeling of loose part clacking another. Not to mention it's just as noisy on FEI 60.
    My old T150 was direct drive in comparison.

    ...after ~4 months and 2 RMA's:

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    I wasn't really expecting more, since earlier in 2018-19:

    - "As I stated before, if the force feedback generally works with a wheel base, there is no possibility that the problem is related to the wheel base if single effects are missing. Either there obviously is a defect, for example if there won´t be force feedback at all or a strong cogging,"

    Yeah... Try to deal with company with such low quality standards. Needless to say how disappointed i am - I never received what i paid for.
     
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  7. ANDRITSOULAS

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    One code wheel sensor from day 1.

    Since then no issues at all.
    I use my wheel since November 2017.
    Really happy with it.

    Just waiting for something not ad expensive as Podium to replace it.

    Maybe a Csw v3 Playstation version.;)
     
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  8. DomB_Fanatec

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    @Knukel I'm sorry to hear that you're not enjoying the product. I have discussed your case directly with support, and they told me that when they checked your base in the workshop two weeks ago, there was determined to be no issue.

    The CSL Elite wheel base mechanism is designed to run freely, and this is at the expense of some mechanical noise. If this mechanism is made too 'tight', then it results in other unwanted characteristics.

    Mechanical noise varies significantly by game, car, setup, surface, and settings. I encourage you to use and experiment with our Recommended Settings on the Fanatec Forum.
     
  9. Knukel

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    Thanks, but i've tried them and it's quite loud on your FEI 70 settings for AC... And that high FEI only pronounces the faulty feel of it.

    The noise has never been the main point, although it's a good baseline for comparisons with other users...

    What i'm really concerned about is the lack of feel from very basic FFB -details - The fact that there's so much slack to render rumble strips nearly completely smooth, which obviously, nullifies more subtle details like: cobblestones, tire flat spots etc. I simply can't feel them!

    75%,0%/OFF // FEI70, 100, (DRI0* for 'max. responsiveness')



    It might seem like these cars give raw strong forces, but see how stale the steering is. Also due to the deadzone there's barely any details from the kerbs.

    Instead of positive FFB from the game, i always get this mechanical faulty feel... Like the shaft is moving freely, which causes this continuous clack, clack, clack...
    It doesn't only feel defective, but it's peak power at best is closer to a budget wheel.

    Support asked me to increase FEI to 100 for greater strength, but what comes to it's reactiveness, it changes nothing:


    Note first left hander: What happens when i drive over a box curb at Laguna Seca... The base just snaps!
    Literally the same case in (last post's 4th video*) where it really tries to deliver strong forces at The Karussel, but fails to do so because something is giving up inside the base.

    I bet if others repeated any of these tests, they'd really need to fight the wheel, or at least hold it firmly.
    6nm motor? Absolutely not.

    Lowering forces (FEI) to minimal doesn't make it tight. The slack is always there.
     
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  10. Deadpool

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    @DomB_Fanatec

    Reaching out for a friend who ordered his CSL PS4 nearly two months ago. He’s been reaching out, leaving voicemails and getting zero response. He ordered with load cell, but since load cell is delayed, his whole order has to wait.

    Hes offered to pay double shipping so he can have his wheel now, but again silence. At this point he’s about to pull the plug and cancel his order to buy a Thrustmaster instead. I’m trying to keep him patient given all the Covid issues, but the lack of communication right now is too much.

    Figured reaching out here might be best bet to get some traction and find out what the deal is.
     
  11. Furryhobn0b

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    On the fanatec forums there's loads in the same situation, he would be better off cancelling his order, reordering the csl elite package without load cell as that's in stock I believe? And then buy a load cell second hand or when it comes back in stock, that's what I've done
     
  12. Paul_BNR32

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    i ordered my csl elite for ps4 with v3 pedals and handbrake on sunday and it was already there on tuesday.

    yesterday i played it for a few hours. first with standard settings on the steering wheel.
    so unpacked, everything assembled, steering wheel connected to ps4 and played
    (without firmware update on the pc)

    compared to my old g29 it was a much better driving experience.
    the problem was braking.
    Damper on the pedal on 1, pedal fully depressed and my car only braked very weakly with GT Sport.
    brake display in the game was only at 50%.

    The problem could be solved quickly by looking into the manual and experimenting with BRF and ABS settings on the steering wheel.

    I will still need a while due to the many setting options, but even with the small changes so far, it's fun
     
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  13. fordlaser

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    I have done the same as you but without the handbrake and I have to say, I will never go back to my G29 because the CLS Elite for PS4 with the V3 pedals are in the class on their own.
     
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  14. Felix

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    I've had my CSL Elite PS4 for a few days now and it's so strong compared to my T300RS and I'm not getting FFB fade, which has peed me off for years with the T300RS. Been using it with iRacing on my PC for the most. I'm hoping to get myself a PS5 as GT7 is the game I am looking forward to on the system and it's been confirmed PS4 wheels will work on the new system.
     
  15. davidt33

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    Soon as you can purchase the Clubsport V3 pedals. Thank me later.
     
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  16. IceWarden

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    I have a question. I got out of racing a couple of years ago for various reasons and used a G29 at the time. I sold the G29 at that time but I am preparing to get back to racing in a couple of months and wanted to upgrade to the CSL Elite PS4 setup.

    I see some of you suggesting a CS V3 Pedal upgrade. Are the standard pedals included with the PS4 set better than the G29 pedals? I am trying to keep costs down and as long as the included pedals are better than the G29 pedals then I'll be fine for the time being.

    Thanks!
     
  17. davidt33

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    The Fanatec gear on the whole are better than the G29 so yes the standard pedals are better. However the standard pedals that come with the CSL Elite bundle remains potentiometer driven (also as G29) which are prone to getting dirty/clogged and requiring constant cleaning and replacement.
    The Clubsport V3 pedals on the other hand are far superior and more durable with hall sensors instead of potentiometers plus the brakes are load cell...again better.

    What you can do is like what my good friend Fordlaser did is when ordering you can select/configure accordingly:
    CSL Elite Wheel Base + officially licensed for PS4, CSL Elite Steering Wheel for PS4, Clubsport V3 pedals.
    And you should be good to go.
     
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  18. IceWarden

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    The issue is the V3 pedals are an additional $350. Which is pretty damn pricey.

    To put into perspective, I was fairly happy with the G29 :) So upgrading is a treat to myself...but such treats can’t cost too much.
     
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  19. davidt33

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    Yeah it pretty much more expensive. What I did was start off with the CSL Elite for PS4 Bundle. You get pretty much everything you need. Base, Steering Wheel, Pedals (standard 2-pedal set).
    Had that for a couple years. I only bought the V3 pedals a couple months ago when I wanted to upgrade to the V3 pedals.
    The nice thing about the Fanatec gear is you can interchange base, wheel and pedals when you wish instead of buying an all-in-one like the G29.
     
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  20. IceWarden

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    Yeah that sounds perfect. I’ll get the bundle first and make sure I’m happy and having fun again. And if so, I’ll do what you suggest and grab the V3 pedals. Baby steps :)

    I plan on picking up the play seat challenge to replace the sewing table and kitchen chair setup :) Then I hope to rejoin the Snail crew for some casual racing fun.
     
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    The V3 pedals are excellent :tup:, my G29 can retire for good now.
     
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  22. davidt33

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    Yeah the play seat challenge is a good idea too.
     
  23. Felix

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    Rather than getting a load-cell break pedal?
     
  24. Keith2324

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    The V3's have a load cell pedal and is a better set all the way around.
     
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  25. Goonie75

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    I use the CSL Elite Pedals with LC Brake, I got them in Jan this year, they work great, and I prefer them over the V3s as I use a 2 pedal setup with the pedals spread apart as I have no need for a clutch ATM. That is the great thing about the CSL Elite pedals, you have so much more flexibility with the pedal positioning and the option for 2 or 3 pedals that you don’t with the V3, I used to get a sore knee using the G29 brake during longer races, also the CSLs can be inverted easily, which is what I have done, I also cover the top of the pedals, so far less chance of anything getting into the accelerator Pot, plus I have the clutch as a spare if needed.
     
  26. Keith2324

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    Keep in mind the potentiometer for the clutch is different than the one for the throttle. They are NOT plug and play. So if your throttle pot goes out, you'll have to get a new one if you plan to use the clutch pedal.
     
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  27. davidt33

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    Was just about to say... but yeah you still gotta deal up with them dreaded pots. Those potentiometers drove me freaking crazy sticking and spiking almost every week...sometimes a number of times a week and needing cleaning and/or replacing. No such problem with the V3. That's one of the things I love about it.....and of course the superior accelerator and brakes. It's like chalk and cheese. I just use the accelerator and brakes myself since I use the paddles for gears.
     
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  28. DelboyD

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    I’ve got the load cell add on, which I’ve had about a year.

    I generally have the wheel setting at “off” with the hardest brake setting at the peddle.

    The logic being I’ll have full brake power quicker and can have shorter braking distances. However, quicker drivers brake later than I do as I struggle to trail brake.

    I’m wondering if my struggles with trail braking are due to my brake settings being too on/off with little granularity.
     
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  29. Whitestar

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    For those planning to get the V3 pedals, you MUST get the brake performance kit as well. It's almost mandatory IMO. It makes the brake pedal go from "good" to "very good". Not just the overall feel but the way you can customize the stiffness to your personal liking.
     
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    How much travel does the brake pedal have with the performance kit?

    I might eventually upgrade from the T-LCM i have now. But i dont want to loose travel in the brake pedal