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Discussion in 'Sim Racing Hardware' started by super_gt, Sep 14, 2017.
Bought a Sim-Lab P1 cockpit in June. Loving it
Real cars and racing cars steering wheels don’t have that much torque of these DD wheels. Lol 13Nm? Some DD have even 16 Nm or more. Think if endurance racers that drive 10 hour they would die with all that torque and power.
Because clearly lots of torque is all a DD wheel gives you right? Educate yourself.
It depends on the car, but that is how heavy can be the steering wheel in this car:
And as @PzR Slim has already said not everything is torque,there is also FFB fidelity.
Is it solid and don't have any clumpy parts, what cam make vibration if shaker would be mounted?
I just got one myself, the NLR GT Ultimate V2 rig just wasn’t up to the task, the weight of the DD motor plus FFB induced so much flex and shaking I thought it would just end up breaking off.
The P1 by comparison is built like a tank, I can happily put my full weight on any part of it without issue and it’s just solid, it must weigh 75-80kg with everything attached though.
I have a Buttkicker Throne Thumper on the back of the frame and a gamer 2 on the pedal plate and nothing on the rig rattles at all.
The Sim-Lab P1 is possibly the most solid sim racing chassis on the market. Only the very similar Heusinkveld chassis compares, but I would think some of those extra (and unnecessary, IMO) aluminium brackets on the Heusinkveld would flex slighly more, than the more directly bolted mounts of the Sim-Lab P1. So currently, I'd recommend the Sim-Lab, if you want the most rock-solid chassis.
The fidelity is what interests me most in Direct Drive wheels. I find my lowly Fanatec CSR to be too strong at times, because it interferes with controlling the sim I'm playing. I tend to lower the FFB due to that. But then I turn it back up because I can't feel the subtle things when racing.
Podium Wheel Base
Talking about delays...
We are all waiting for this product to be released but we had to fight a lot of small issues. The pre-production is done and we are still making internal tests to verify the design and sort out some obvious issues.
Currently we select the beta testers and will get in contact with them shortly. The beta tests will start in late february and it is still planned to held a community event in our HQ where we will invite interested potential customers and direct drive specialists to help us fine tuning the wheel base.
At the moment we are aiming to start selling the DD wheel bases in summer.
Some good news as well. We managed to crank up the torque on both versions. We also successfully eliminated all torque ripple so you can expect the same smoothness as on your ClubSport Wheel bases which is better or on par with the very best DDs out there.
Too bad I can’t have it. I hope you Fanatec some day you will ship to Israel where we have a big sim racer community.
This is interesting:
Compatibility with Xbox im certain will probably be with the universal hub. Would be interesting if they could make a similar product for PS4. But I don’t expect any PS4 support. I’ve heard Sony can be very difficult for third party manufacturers.
Any news on Podium DD wheelbase? How is beta testing coming along? When is production of consumer products going to start?
There's nothing new for now.
Is Fanatec still targeting a summer release? With no news at all, that's starting to look unlikely.
Аs far as I know, yes.
If the base will be PS4 officially licensed they may be waiting for a green light from SONY for announcement(pure speculation on my part).
I understand partnerships, and why companies don't want to get too far out in front of each other when announcing new product. I just hope neither of the console MFGs are the reason Fanatec is waiting to show new development. The thought of Sony or Microsoft stopping Fanatec from announcing anything because they want to show it at their booths at E3, just rubs me the wrong way. Especially if it's Microsoft, after the forced upgrade garbage, they pulled with the launch of the XB1.
Which do you think would reach a larger audience and attract new as well as existing customers that are upgrading:
- Fanatec doing an announcement on their Facebook, this forum, their forum, youtube?
- Or having their product showcased at one of the major press events at E3 that will be watched by millions?
Very, very few console gamers which E3 is geared towards are going to be buying a wheel base this expensive. An Xbox One X is considered expensive in that market and this with no wheel rim or pedals will be at least twice the cost of that so I really don’t think that factors in.
Anybody invested in sim racing already knows about it, the main thing they need to do is convince non-Fanatec owners of higher end gear why they should switch to the Podium line. They are much better off doing that at things like simracingexpo, the delay is more likely because of issues like they had with the GT3 rim.
Thankfully I got an Accuforce V2 in the Black Friday sales which for just over £1k after tax/duty/shipping I don’t think the Fanatec will beat, so I’m not waiting anymore, otherwise I’d be dying to know like you guys.
Launching the Podium wheelbase alongside the next Forza Horizon at E3?? I'm sure the target audience (hardcore simracers) will be thrilled with that...
So they should limit their exposure to only a small subset of the gaming audience instead of reaching the same subset + the entirety of the gaming community (any gaming news outlet worth their salt will be covering E3 be it those dedicated to sim racing or the IGNs of the world) that may be swayed into either buying the expensive DD or one of their lower priced offerings.
I'm not sure you understand this basic principle of business, but the larger the audience you can reach without alienating your core market the better. When was the last time a major site covered Sim Racing Expo? What kind of coverage has the event had on this site?
I think it is you who doesn’t understand, this kind of thing is in the same realm as the motion rig they demo FH3 and F7 with, aka something fun for the masses to try to sell the game not the hardware. Most of the demographic you are discussing would consider the T300 too expensive, T-GT at a real push so this in the four figure sums is not the target audience.
The people interested in this are the ones invested in sim racing (which FYI isn’t that popular especially not at E3), those in the ecosystem already so the price of admission isn’t going to be as high, those with cash to splash or those with other equipment interested in what it offers.
Those kind of people already know about it, this is not a starter wheel for people who want to get into sim racing or have a passing interest. It may well be at E3 but not for the purpose of sales under a licensing or advertising deal with a console manufacturerwhich is what was being suggested.
The (expected) price of the Podium products pretty much dictates that the console market would be better served by Fanatec's other products. For example, the Forza Motorsport Club Sport bundle, routinely paraded across my screen via Amazon's sale bots; costs $1300 USD. That's a no go for the average console player. With the Podium bases to cost about $1000 USD alone, do you think console gamers would spring for it?
That's a $1730.00 order if that console owner doesn't have any Fanatec gear to begin with, and only gets the Forza Uni-hub and the CSP V3's, because that's what they would show on a Microsoft stage. Yeah that will go over well... "For the price of nearly 3-1/2 Xbox One Xs, you can have a racing wheel to play a game that will never use it to it's full potential". Sound's awesome... Where do I sign?!?
On top of that, Microsoft kind of have to show nothing but games at this E3. Them showing any piece of hardware/peripheral most likely will not go over well... So no for them.
You're right, they should just reach as few people as possible and only let a small handful know about their new products. They're clearly not in the business to expand and grow, they just want to cater to the ultra hardcore like you.
My understanding is that the Podium series is aimed at the commercial market as well as consumers. So it will no doubt be featured heavily on promotional stands for upcoming Xbox titles. But don't forget that Fanatec is basically a mailorder company (forgive me, ahem... "Consumer direct company"), so the products they make aren't bought on impulse by parents desperate to shut up their children on a saturday afternoon. If you know what i mean...
True but on consoles, Fanatec will move way more CSL and even Club Sport wheel bases than the Podium bases. That is console only players, not players who play on PC and consoles... So that mass market will simply be put off by the Podium's prices.
I have no real interest in buying it, I’m more interested in it’s performance so no it’s not catered to me.
Fanatec are entering an unproven space in terms of build quality, reliability and performance which they have so far not matched the other players in that field like Heusinkveld.
If you seriously think it makes sense for MS or Sony to show an ultra expensive peripheral that costs more than the most popular TVs you are living in a land of delusion.
Not only that you need a stable rig to attach a DD wheel to again not something somebody with no prior interest would have. Realistically it’s a £2000 investment at least, I honestly don’t know how you think they would show it in any E3 stage. The most any wheel manufacturer usually have is a stand which again only the sim communities even really report on.
Seriously how many cheaper wheels do you think they sell let alone these high end ones?!
yeah Fanatec are stupid in trying to get some brand recognition with their top level products on the world stage in front of millions.
Yeah. Perhaps they could sell 5 million wheels even though there aren't 5 million people who take driving games seriously. Their target audience will find them, they don't need E3 to get in front of eyes that have no interest.
who the **** are you to say what fanatec need to do for their marketing?