Fanatec Reveals Direct Drive ClubSport DD and DD+ Wheel Bases: Available to Pre-Order Now

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At the end of the day, if I only really play Gran Turismo, is it even worth it?
Only you can answer that question...
I bought ps3, 4 and 5 just for gran turismo (and xbox one and series x for forza motorsport). It's was expensive but for me it was worth it. Same for the wheel bases, pedals, sim rigs etc.
 
Only you can answer that question...
I bought ps3, 4 and 5 just for gran turismo (and xbox one and series x for forza motorsport). It's was expensive but for me it was worth it. Same for the wheel bases, pedals, sim rigs etc.
I've pretty much done that myself. I basically only play Gran Turismo. It's been my favorite game since GT1. I'm all in (rig, sim gear, PS5, PSVR2, etc.) for about $4k. However, I've played GT7 for about 2k hours. Basically, I've spent about $2/hour to play....and it gets cheaper every day 🏁 🏎
 
The lack of PS5 options is infuriating. I understand it's Sony's fault, I understand there are work aroundz, but God damn...
$800 for the 8nm Gran Turismo kit add another $140 for a brake pedal that aren't garbage. Or $1000 for the new PS5 base, 200 for the load cell pedals, and you still need a wheel for another 200?
So 950+tax or 1400+tax just to have a DD wheel for PS5.

My T300 has served me well for the past 9 or 10 years, but this past Saturday I broke my brake pedal in half. Replacing a dinosaur seems like a bad investment, and upgrading to DD is a big investment with minimal options, especially when I play less now than I ever have.

At the end of the day, if I only really play Gran Turismo, is it even worth it? 5nm, 8nm, 15nm, at what point do we hit diminishing returns if I'm not playing a real simulator like iRacing or something?

Feels like I'm in limbo mode. Wait for the new DD+ with intent to buy? Wait for it to see if the GT option gets a price cut? Wait for potential Black Friday sales? Or just buy the 5 or 8nm option now, and move on with my life.

How impactful are we expecting this Fullforce to be?

$1k+ is a tough sell right now when the CSL DD is going for $200. Could invest that money saved into iRacing and never look back.

Paralysis Analysis.

I'm on a similar spot and agree with pretty much everything you said.

I guess I don't have that much of a dilemma because I know I'm not spending 1k on a base alone, but as you said, the lack of options enfuriates me anyway.

For me now it boils down to a price drop/black friday sale on the GT DD Pro or buying one used when people starts upgrading into this.

Another annoying thing is the fact that the GT DD Pro cames with the phased out QR1*.

*Please correct me if I'm wrong but that's what I understand from reading this https://fanatec.com/eu-en/qr2
 
The lack of PS5 options is infuriating. I understand it's Sony's fault, I understand there are work aroundz, but God damn...
$800 for the 8nm Gran Turismo kit add another $140 for a brake pedal that aren't garbage. Or $1000 for the new PS5 base, 200 for the load cell pedals, and you still need a wheel for another 200?
So 950+tax or 1400+tax just to have a DD wheel for PS5.

My T300 has served me well for the past 9 or 10 years, but this past Saturday I broke my brake pedal in half. Replacing a dinosaur seems like a bad investment, and upgrading to DD is a big investment with minimal options, especially when I play less now than I ever have.

At the end of the day, if I only really play Gran Turismo, is it even worth it? 5nm, 8nm, 15nm, at what point do we hit diminishing returns if I'm not playing a real simulator like iRacing or something?

Feels like I'm in limbo mode. Wait for the new DD+ with intent to buy? Wait for it to see if the GT option gets a price cut? Wait for potential Black Friday sales? Or just buy the 5 or 8nm option now, and move on with my life.

How impactful are we expecting this Fullforce to be?

$1k+ is a tough sell right now when the CSL DD is going for $200. Could invest that money saved into iRacing and never look back.

Paralysis Analysis.
I'm on a similar spot and agree with pretty much everything you said.

I guess I don't have that much of a dilemma because I know I'm not spending 1k on a base alone, but as you said, the lack of options enfuriates me anyway.

For me now it boils down to a price drop/black friday sale on the GT DD Pro or buying one used when people starts upgrading into this.

Another annoying thing is the fact that the GT DD Pro cames with the phased out QR1*.

*Please correct me if I'm wrong but that's what I understand from reading this https://fanatec.com/eu-en/qr2
For you I'd just recommend getting the DD GT Pro for 5NM. $700 (or Euro) investment.

TheBase/wheel is such a step up over non DD wheels feel and if you have not done high torque then I doubt you would even notice it. I'm running the 5NM and I find it plenty. Perhaps there is more fidelity with the 8NM but it is diminishing returns.

In addition I was surprised at how good the pedals were when I got them. I was coming from a load-cell upgraded G29 pedal set and I was impressed. Now that said, I did end up getting the CSL Elite V2 pedals so I would high recommend them down the road if you want load-cell over upgrading the pedals that come with the DD GT Pro but if you have never used load-cell then the CSL pedals are pretty good for what they are.
 
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1 argument for the higher torque model, and also an improved ffb system.

Bigger wheels.

I just got the f1v2 yoke and between the motors inside and its size, the things a blast. The way i find fast is usually to set a steering angle in a curve then accelerate or decelerate to induce under or over steer. Its so much easier on this wheel. Absolutely love it.

However, the 330mm round with the cls univ v2 feels light and with much less fidelity relative to grip and momentum. That said. I love the soze and the wheel. Just wish i could give it the same level of feels as that f1v2. This difference, down the road, will likely be a driving reason to upgrade.
 
1 argument for the higher torque model, and also an improved ffb system.

Bigger wheels.

I just got the f1v2 yoke and between the motors inside and its size, the things a blast. The way i find fast is usually to set a steering angle in a curve then accelerate or decelerate to induce under or over steer. Its so much easier on this wheel. Absolutely love it.

However, the 330mm round with the cls univ v2 feels light and with much less fidelity relative to grip and momentum. That said. I love the soze and the wheel. Just wish i could give it the same level of feels as that f1v2. This difference, down the road, will likely be a driving reason to upgrade.
Definitely agree. My first DD wheel was the DD Pro. It worked great with the cheap plastic wheel that came with it or the lighter wheels like the McLaren one. But when you put a full sized round wheel with the hub on it, the FFB became really weak. This is why I ended up going to the DD1.
 
1 argument for the higher torque model, and also an improved ffb system.

Bigger wheels.
Definitely agree. My first DD wheel was the DD Pro. It worked great with the cheap plastic wheel that came with it or the lighter wheels like the McLaren one. But when you put a full sized round wheel with the hub on it, the FFB became really weak. This is why I ended up going to the DD1.
I can definitely see that and for those who are looking into buying bigger or multiple wheel then those people are probably not price sensitive to the cost of the base.

For the people I replied to, they were cost sensitive and so for them, they are unlikely to migrate past the plasticky GT wheel that comes with the package. For that wheel the 5NM is just fine.

I've been contemplating getting the 8NM power supply for my GT but currently my rig is not strong enough where I feel I would get the benefit. First I need to upgrade the rig ($1000) and then at the point, probably just skip the 8NM PSU and jump straight to the CS DD+. I might have to tranquilize my wife first before doing all this...:lol:
 
I prefer the soft feel with the bigger 330 mm wheel. I actually feel more than with the toy wheel. I know that probably comes down to settings and such, but I'm legitimately faster and more consistent even if the force is reduced. I know this is all subjective as well but for me the numbers don't lie.
 
I can definitely see that and for those who are looking into buying bigger or multiple wheel then those people are probably not price sensitive to the cost of the base.

For the people I replied to, they were cost sensitive and so for them, they are unlikely to migrate past the plasticky GT wheel that comes with the package. For that wheel the 5NM is just fine.

I've been contemplating getting the 8NM power supply for my GT but currently my rig is not strong enough where I feel I would get the benefit. First I need to upgrade the rig ($1000) and then at the point, probably just skip the 8NM PSU and jump straight to the CS DD+. I might have to tranquilize my wife first before doing all this...:lol:

Which brings yet another enfuriating topic - the GT DD Pro base is not sold separately without the boost kit 😞
 
If money is not an issue, then I think it’s a no-brainer. Like mentioned before, FFB is something you grow into. There’s not many scenarios I can think of where having a wheelbase that’s capable of providing more than you need is a bad thing. Personally, now that I have a stout base, I couldn’t imagine playing any sim title with less than 15nm. With more torque, the finer details become amplified. It may not make you faster, but it definitely makes games more enjoyable IMO.

Completely understandable. Its a lot of $$$. When the original reviews came out for the DD Pro and a lot of the streamers were saying it was the best thing to happen to society next to Big Macs, and just as good as their DD1's..... I was like....."Really, Felicia?"

But alas, what I really wanted was out of stock, and I couldn't resist, so I bought a DD pro. Coming from a CSL elite, I'd say the DD Pro was probably 30% better. Definitely better, mind you. But not the "game changer" that everyone claimed. When I went to a DD1, That for me was a game changer. My aim in sim racing was to pursue realism. And having a base that could simulate the torque values of anything I drove, coupled with VR. Yeah... it's pretty awesome. The current podium series seems to be on borrowed time - with the PS compatible DD1 seemingly discontinued. I would expect that to be updated this time next year. But my honest opinion is that this new CSW is really all 95% of us need. They said that they didn't really leave any room for overhead torque - that 15nm is exactly what you get. Whereas the DD1 has a 20nm "max" for spikes and such....but in reality, it's closer to 15nm holding torque. There's ways to coax more out of it, but its not necessary to the overall experience.

Personally, if I hadn't come across a DD1, and was still using my DD Pro as my primary base, it would be a no-brainer. I'd be pre-ordering this wheel
Screw it. I pre-ordered one 🤣
 
For me the CSL DD 8nm is plenty. If I had a permanent fixed more stable rig then I might look at an upgrade. But with a portable wheel stand due to lack of space, there are times when the 8nm shakes it pretty good over severe curbs or off track incidents. Besides that I never run close to 100% FFB in any game anyway.
 
For me the CSL DD 8nm is plenty. If I had a permanent fixed more stable rig then I might look at an upgrade. But with a portable wheel stand due to lack of space, there are times when the 8nm shakes it pretty good over severe curbs or off track incidents. Besides that I never run close to 100% FFB in any game anyway.
It’s not really about how heavy or severe the steering effort is. I’m more interested in the quicker reaction speed and finer detail feedback.
 
As much as I’d love to preorder the new ClubSport DD+ (because it WILL sell out and then be on back order for weeks like everything they make) I really want to see reviews to determine how much the upgrades improve the experience over the Podium DDs. I have the PlayStation compatible DD1 so don’t cry for me, but I’ll be excited to sidegrade if the CS DD+ really reduces the cogging and if slew rate/other enhancements really do heighten realism and manage oscillations better. Plus I’d love to know if FullForce lives up to their hype and goals.
 
As much as I’d love to preorder the new ClubSport DD+ (because it WILL sell out and then be on back order for weeks like everything they make) I really want to see reviews to determine how much the upgrades improve the experience over the Podium DDs. I have the PlayStation compatible DD1 so don’t cry for me, but I’ll be excited to sidegrade if the CS DD+ really reduces the cogging and if slew rate/other enhancements really do heighten realism and manage oscillations better. Plus I’d love to know if FullForce lives up to their hype and goals.
Question is, how long is it going to take for GT7 to actually implement whatever it needs to in order to make FullForce actually work?
 
Well... Pre-Ordered the DD+, Elite V2 pedals, and Clubsport RS wheel with QR2.

Not sure the price I just paid will ever be justified by GT7, but I'm convincing myself that I'm future proofed for the next 10 years. Or maybe I'll gain a tenth per lap or something. 😂

Guess I'll see you guys in December!
 
Well... Pre-Ordered the DD+, Elite V2 pedals, and Clubsport RS wheel with QR2.

Not sure the price I just paid will ever be justified by GT7, but I'm convincing myself that I'm future proofed for the next 10 years. Or maybe I'll gain a tenth per lap or something. 😂

Guess I'll see you guys in December!
Don’t feel bad. In the past three years and two months now, I bought a CSL Playstaion compatible belt-driven base before DD was “affordable.” Then I sold that when I bought the GT DD Pro. And now I’m gonna sell that when I get the new DD+.
I also started with the CSL load cell pedals. Sold those and got the V2 pedals. The only thing I have left from my original 2020 setup is my Formula V2 rim and Podium paddle module.
Justifiable? It is to me simply by how much fun it makes the driving. I’m only playing GT7 in VR now, so that was another outlay. But it’s insane to have this in my house.
So I’m several thousand dollars into all this stuff … and have never once second-guessed it when put against the experience it provides. I can’t go on much of a single five-day vacation anywhere notable for what I’ve spent on all this. 🤣
And like you said, this gives years of fun. People drop $10K to go to Disney World for four days. Now THAT’S insane, if you ask me.
 
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So I’m several thousand dollars into all this stuff … and have never once second-guessed it when put against the experience it provides. I can’t go on a much of a single five-day vacation anywhere notable for what I’ve spent on all this. 🤣
And like you said, this gives years of fun. People drop $10K to go to Disney World for four days. Now THAT’S insane, if you ask me.
I totally get the enjoyment experiment our sport gives us versus a week vacation somewhere. I did a 2-1/2 week trip to the UK last summer from the US and while I enjoyed it, for the cost of it (about $20k for 4 people) it was not worth that cost.

However it is hard trying to explain the expense of sim gear to family members that “don’t get it” and still think it’s just a game….

Now my 20 yo daughter, while I was watching the usa F1 sprint this evening was asking where she could go to drive as fast as she wants. I suggested a track day at Road America (not far from us) but then said, how about some sim racing? It’s still a lot cheaper! 😁
 
I totally get the enjoyment experiment our sport gives us versus a week vacation somewhere. I did a 2-1/2 week trip to the UK last summer from the US and while I enjoyed it, for the cost of it (about $20k for 4 people) it was not worth that cost.

However it is hard trying to explain the expense of sim gear to family members that “don’t get it” and still think it’s just a game….

Now my 20 yo daughter, while I was watching the usa F1 sprint this evening was asking where she could go to drive as fast as she wants. I suggested a track day at Road America (not far from us) but then said, how about some sim racing? It’s still a lot cheaper! 😁
This is one hundred percent it. It took me twenty years to buy a wheel (my wife actually bought it for me for a birthday gift) and I really really wish I had done it sooner. I loved GT (1-7) very much with a pad, but the experience with the wheel is just a much better way to spend my time, of which I don't have much. So smiles per dollar actually makes this thing a pretty good deal in the end.
 
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DD+ is not available to pre-order, only the Clubsport DD unfortunately.

I actually think this is a nice upgrade from the GT DD Pro. Seems like much more precise FF can be generated, and they fixed the bad design in the way the quick release base-side connects to the base. 8nm is enough for me, I almost never have the FF up past 80% on GT DD Pro 8nm. But the the more solid connection with QR2 and more precise FF will be nice.
Here’s hoping they release a premium GT wheel to go with it….. I would pay top money for a leather wrapped fully functioning ps licensed wheel for gt. My original is now threadbare and there is not much that I like enough to overlook the loss of functionality.

Given how the unreal engine is apparently 💩 for VR and that anything from ea or acc is unlikely to support VR in the near..or medium future.. I will be greatly bothered if PD doesn’t work to improve and support new wheels and features. Heck, I’m kinda ticked, given how good the rumbles are on the controller, that PD doesn’t fully support the V3 pedals. There is literally a single option for people who have to stay in. Apples universe for work, to drive with decent VR and its gt7 and ps5. Soooo..yeah. That comes with expectations and pressure. 😬

Eta: anyone else think that pedals are now the glaring hole in fanatecs ecosystem? I know people love the v2’s, often much more than the v3’s, which is kinda my point. Also, why the heck isn’t fanatec putting butkickeresque tech in to the pedals and pedal base?

Less chat, more splat. PD / Fanatec …pls&thanks..
Pedals are, and have been the glaring whole in fanatecs eco system for 5 years. I remember pointing this out in a survey they sent me after I bought my gt pro 18 months ago. The v3 is not at all satisfactory, and that is how old?
 
So the release day is Dec 12, a month later than the regular CS DD, but still before Christmas.
I think anyone would have to be insane to order anything from Fanatec that close to Christmas - imagine the complete mess Fanatec are in right now COMBINED with the usual UPS Christmas shamble-fest.
 
Here’s hoping they release a premium GT wheel to go with it….. I would pay top money for a leather wrapped fully functioning ps licensed wheel for gt. My original is now threadbare and there is not much that I like enough to overlook the loss of functionality.


Pedals are, and have been the glaring whole in fanatecs eco system for 5 years. I remember pointing this out in a survey they sent me after I bought my gt pro 18 months ago. The v3 is not at all satisfactory, and that is how old?
Yeah a nicer GT DD Pro wheel would be really nice. I've often wished there was an upgrade for it. Maybe a little bit larger diameter, leather, nicer shifters, etc..
 
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Yeah a nicer GT DD Pro wheel would be really nice. I've often wished there was an upgrade for it. Maybe a little bit larger diameter, leather, nicer shifters, etc..
I guess the unique appeal of that wheel is the four directional buttons? Honestly I feel like it's more of a PD problem, as GT7's button mapping is quite lacking, and generic Fanatec rotary encoders cannot be mapped in the game, otherwise many Fanatec wheels could completely replace the GT wheel in terms of functionality.
 
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