Fantasy Time: What Restomod Would You Do?

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These are a guilty pleasure of mine that I've mentioned before. There's actually nothing that I dislike about them, but I say guilty because I feel the "sport tuned" suspension and 17" alloy wheels, combined with a 10-15hp increase from a less restrictive exhaust, weren't really enough for it to earn its stripes. So it needs more power. The SS/T and Indy Ram drew inspiration from the Dodge Ram VTS concept which received a Viper V10, but it's a truck and that means the rear tires are unloaded unless you're hauling something, plus, dare I say, a period Viper engine doesn't have enough grunt to match the SS/T's presence? The final iteration had a fair bit more but there's still the matter of a Viper's driveline configuration. Sure, a lot could be done to help it hook up, but that starts to strip away truck functionality real quick.

What about AWD?

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710hp through an 8-speed automatic...and AWD.

A custom cradle carries the supercharged Hemi engine, front axle, suspension and brakes with "stupid" struts (no active damping for more analog performance) placed about 3.5" wider to match the Ram's wider footprint, while custom front halfshafts and an electric power rack to reduce pumping losses round out the front end modifications. The rear gets a live axle located with a 4-link and Watts bellcrank, and carried by a more conventional coil suspension, while a Currie 9" Ford housing and third member get stuffed with a 3.70 gear (to match the front, which dictates a non-Dodge axle because those lack a matching ratio) and longer shafts with ends redrilled to 5-on-5 using aftermarket brakes to fill the 20" Hellcat alloys. The beautiful thing is the SS/T's tires are 30" tall, just half an inch shorter than the Hellcat's, so that wider rubber fills the wells nicely. Inside, the dash gets tidied up and materials get upgraded to leather and microsuede, but the whole arrangement is largely left alone. Body is also fairly standard, but the hood, grille, roof skin and tailgate skin are replicated in silver aluminized carbon fiber with Emerald Green Metallic sprayed over everything except the stripes so that the material shows through in place of decals.
 
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These are a guilty pleasure of mine that I've mentioned before. There's actually nothing that I dislike about them, but I say guilty because I feel the "sport tuned" suspension and 17" alloy wheels, combined with a 10-15hp increase from a less restrictive exhaust, weren't really enough for it to earn its stripes. So it needs more power. The SS/T and Indy Ram drew inspiration from the Dodge Ram VTS concept which received a Viper V10, but it's a truck and that means the rear tires are unloaded unless you're hauling something, plus, dare I say, a period Viper engine doesn't have enough grunt to match the SS/T's presence? The final iteration had a fair bit more but there's still the matter of a Viper's driveline configuration. Sure, a lot could be done to help it hook up, but that starts to strip away truck functionality real quick.

What about AWD?

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durango2.jpg


710hp through an 8-speed automatic...and AWD.

A custom cradle carries the supercharged Hemi engine, front axle, suspension and brakes with "stupid" struts (no active damping for more analog performance) placed about 3.5" wider to match the Ram's wider footprint, while custom front halfshafts and an electric power rack to reduce pumping losses round out the front end modifications. The rear gets a live axle located with a 4-link and Watts bellcrank, and carried by a more conventional coil suspension, while a Currie 9" Ford housing and third member get stuffed with a 3.70 gear (to match the front, which dictates a non-Dodge axle because those lack a matching ratio) and longer shafts with ends redrilled to 5-on-5 using aftermarket brakes to fill the 20" Hellcat alloys. The beautiful thing is the SS/T's tires are 30" tall, just half an inch shorter than the Hellcat's, so that wider rubber fills the wells nicely. Inside, the dash gets tidied up and materials get upgraded to leather and microsuede, but the whole arrangement is largely left alone. Body is also fairly standard, but the hood, grille, roof skin and tailgate skin are replicated in silver aluminized carbon fiber with Emerald Green Metallic sprayed over everything except the stripes so that the material shows through in place of decals.
I like your way of thinking.

I think the biggest hurdle would be patching the electronics of the driveline to the rest of the wiring in the vehicle, with many hours of talented work needed on the patch looms.
It's just a this century auto electrics default response of throwing a tantrum without a response to Check #877.
Good idea going with 'stupid' struts then.
I don't know the overdrive ratios of the 8-speed auto, but with 30" rubber and the lunar surface like power and torque curves from that supercharged Hemi, I'm betting you could get away with a shorter final drive than a 3.70.
I know from my own calculations for my Holden that 7000rpm on 18"s with a close-ratio T-56 Magnum and 4.11 final, gave close to a theoretical 180mph +.
The all wheel drive would certainly give cat on carpet levels of traction.
The interior reads like a beautiful place to operate either going for an enjoyable cruise, or up on the wheel having a fang down that favourite stretch of tarmac.
The traditionalist in me says I would have to do something with a Hemi hero colouring in with a sinister black on some level.
 
I like your way of thinking.

I think the biggest hurdle would be patching the electronics of the driveline to the rest of the wiring in the vehicle, with many hours of talented work needed on the patch looms.
It's just a this century auto electrics default response of throwing a tantrum without a response to Check #877.
Good idea going with 'stupid' struts then.
I don't know the overdrive ratios of the 8-speed auto, but with 30" rubber and the lunar surface like power and torque curves from that supercharged Hemi, I'm betting you could get away with a shorter final drive than a 3.70.
I know from my own calculations for my Holden that 7000rpm on 18"s with a close-ratio T-56 Magnum and 4.11 final, gave close to a theoretical 180mph +.
The all wheel drive would certainly give cat on carpet levels of traction.
The interior reads like a beautiful place to operate either going for an enjoyable cruise, or up on the wheel having a fang down that favourite stretch of tarmac.
The traditionalist in me says I would have to do something with a Hemi hero colouring in with a sinister black on some level.
The 8HP95 has a 4.71 first and direct drive is pushed all the way to sixth with only two overdrive gears like a T56. I've driven a Hellcat Durango and it pulls awful hard. I also gather there are just no shorter gears available on the aftermarket...certainly that was the case a few years ago as a buddy with one bemoaned their absence. The truck would be lighter than the SUV just by virtue of being a truck, and that would also help.
 
The 8HP95 has a 4.71 first and direct drive is pushed all the way to sixth with only two overdrive gears like a T56. I've driven a Hellcat Durango and it pulls awful hard. I also gather there are just no shorter gears available on the aftermarket...certainly that was the case a few years ago as a buddy with one bemoaned their absence. The truck would be lighter than the SUV just by virtue of being a truck, and that would also help.
I haven't had the experience of so much torque AND traction all in one package.
I imagine it to be quite the launch.

The best I can relate is having rides in Group A Australian Touring Cars from 1991. Think 500bhp, 1150-1300kg, and race rubber.
Even then, that's not from standing start but rolling acceleration from 35-40mph.

Australians enjoyed the opportunity to buy a RAM 1500 TRX with virtually the same driveline as the Durango.
They could then take that to an aftermarket tuner, Dontex, that offered a variety of packages up to 1000bhp.
One of the local YouTube channels then took it to the dragstrip and enjoyed flogging a variety of supercars like Lamborghini's in 1/4 mile races.
Not bad for 3.5 tonnes.
 
Considering the 1995 model was near ultimate Mazda road car performance, you wouldn't have a lot of gains.
What would you do to the RX-7 of your dreams?
 
Not really a fantasy restomod I would have chosen, but I can't help but like this. A Honda Integra DC2 Type R in Austin Allegro clothes! The flared arches, lowered stance, and other detail changes almost turn the Allegro into a good-looking machine.


Honda Allegra Type R
 
Not really a fantasy restomod I would have chosen, but I can't help but like this. A Honda Integra DC2 Type R in Austin Allegro clothes! The flared arches, lowered stance, and other detail changes almost turn the Allegro into a good-looking machine.


Honda Allegra Type R
I will happily admit that when I read your post, I automatically assumed that someone with a quirky taste for the Allegro, but a need for more go from the loud pedal, had just shoved a Type R driveline up an Austin.
Then you see it and, again, assume theyve spent a bit of coin on flares.
My word! How wrong I was.

I can't arrive at any other description other than to say, this is a pinnacle restomod.
There is barely any genuine Allegro remaining but at the same time, it honours that unloved 70s BL hatch so very well.

I started this thread because once I was bitten by the restomod way of car modification, I went deep, deep down the rabbit hole of what I would do with so many cars.
I even used Gran Turismo to do 'builds' as close to the end goal as the games would allow.

Seeing what the team at Retropower can do, not only with a budget into the dream numbers, but with the tools and brain power at hand, why would you even look elsewhere?
The 3D scanning tool would have to be considered priceless in a build such as the Allegro.

For many years, I have looked at the very best replicas of rare and highly desirable vehicles.
I've often wondered what production cars could be used as a starting point for a replica build in much the same way they discovered an Allegro would sit well on an Integra floor pan with a massage in the right areas.
No point trying to make a Dino Ferrari from a MX-5, but a Lotus Elise?

Great video @Centroid thanks for sharing 👏
 
I actually happened upon that early on--I think they'd just gotten an Integra to start cutting apart--because I have a soft spot for the [admittedly terrible] Allegro and was following along casually but lost interest when they got to flaring it because I just wasn't thrilled about the direction they went.

Well before that I was kicking around ideas for an Allegro Equipe.

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To keep it somewhat in the family, I was thinking a high-spec Rover K-series, something like the VCC motor which the MG ZR 160 got (and its accompanying PG1 gearbox, both shared with the Lotus Elise), but with VCC-delete and big cams. It's a bit of a strain but there is a connection between MG Rover and British Leyland. You could argue that Honda is also in the family because BL ultimately built the Triumph Acclaim which did briefly stave off the company's demise, but I'd want to keep it British just the same. Anyway it'd need to have wider arches because of the powerpack's width (the Allegro's E-series sat on top of the gearbox like a Mini) and the Hydragas would need to go in favor of adjustable struts, plus probably 15" wheels to fit the ZR brakes.
 
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I actually happened upon that early on--I think they'd just gotten an Integra to start cutting apart--because I have a soft spot for the [admittedly terrible] Allegro and was following along casually but lost interest when they got to flaring it because I just wasn't thrilled about the direction they went.

Well before that I was kicking around ideas for an Allegro Equipe.

equipe.jpg


To keep it somewhat in the family, I was thinking a high-spec Rover K-series, something like the VCC motor which the MG ZR 160 got (and its accompanying PG1 gearbox, both shared with the Lotus Elise), but with VCC-delete and big cams. It's a bit of a strain but there is a connection between MG Rover and British Leyland. You could argue that Honda is also in the family because BL ultimately built the Triumph Acclaim which did briefly stave off the company's demise, but I'd want to keep it British just the same. Anyway it'd need to have wider arches because of the powerpack's width (the Allegro's E-series sat on top of the gearbox like a Mini) and the Hydragas would need to go in favor of adjustable struts, plus probably 15" wheels to fit the ZR brakes.
And no need for a six figure supercar budget either.
I get the idea of making it happen all under the English umbrella, too.
My family had a connection to the days of the BMC and British Leyland, through my Uncle having his own workshop, and specialising in British makes for his entire working life.
Mum had two Austins and a Morris as her first three cars, Aunty had an Austin, a Mini and a Daimler just to name a few.
That Rover K-series motor found a gig in quite a few cars over the years, and did a sterling job for what it was, too.
Finally, I have to comment on that picture you provided.
As mentioned in the video by Johnny on the previous build, the British Leyland 70's colour chart was famous for its range.
To see something so bold as an Austin in silver, only for it to remain anchored to tradition by that pinstripe 😂
 
To see something so bold as an Austin in silver, only for it to remain anchored to tradition by that pinstripe 😂
Gettin' perilously close to mockery of the totally awesome Equipe package and its fantastic graphics, partner.

Angry Ron Swanson GIF

It's probably not old enough for proper resto-mod status, but I've always had a soft spot for the Alfa Romeo GTV. I'd love to own one as a project car at some point.

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Totally justified as a restomod, but hopefully it keeps the Busso V6. Maybe tack on the AWD system developed for the 164 Q4 by Steyr-Puch behind it? Shame that's the only AWD Busso car that Alfa built (I had an idea for a Gamma Coupe using the same; it's a fun exercise so I have lots of ideas floating around my otherwise pretty empty skull).
 
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It's probably not old enough for proper resto-mod status, but I've always had a soft spot for the Alfa Romeo GTV. I'd love to own one as a project car at some point.

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As @TexRex says, no pr9blem here.
In my opinion, a Restomod qualifies if the car has been updated with a later driveline component.
In the case of the beautiful GTV, it would be almost blasphemy to turf that glorious Busso V6.
Maybe the later 3.2 from the 147 & 156 GTA?
That was one of the fantasy builds i had in GT5 & GT6.
As pointed out by TexRex, the 4wd driveline by Steyr could be an option, but if we're wearing our creative hats, why not gut a wrecked late model Guilia for its trick all-wheel-drive running gear and get that mated to the Busso with a custom bell housing?
Four leaf clover on steroids just as it appears in your photo. Bellissimo!

Gettin' perilously close to mockery of the totally awesome Equipe package and its fantastic graphics, partner.

Angry Ron Swanson GIF


Totally justified as a restomod, but hopefully it keeps the Busso V6. Maybe tack on the AWD system developed for the 164 Q4 by Steyr-Puch behind it? Shame that's the only AWD Busso car that Alfa built (I had an idea for a Gamma Coupe using the same; it's a fun exercise so I have lots of ideas floating around my otherwise pretty empty skull).
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In my opinion, a Restomod qualifies if the car has been updated with a later driveline component.
And that's how most treat it. Coyotes in first gen Mustangs and Broncos, LT4s in C10s, 3.6s in backdated 964s. I tend to think it's modification for performance while preserving much of the spirit of the original. Of course I've traipsed over that line or just plain lost sight of it behind me with a combination of tire smoke and bugs in my face (the three-rotor three-wheeler), but I think this thread should be fun first and I'm having fun. This stuff makes my brain happy.
As pointed out by TexRex, the 4wd driveline by Steyr could be an option, but if we're wearing our creative hats, why not gut a wrecked late model Guilia for its trick all-wheel-drive running gear and get that mated to the Busso with a custom bell housing?
Totally fair, but I need to try my best to sell you on absconding with the highest of late '80s* sport sedan technology from that 164.

*Good bet most of the engineering was done before the '90s rolled around given production car lead times.

So my first thought was RWD with the Quadrifoglio running gear but I couldn't bear to lose the Busso. I'd happily give up 150hp for that low burble and the scream of ITBs on a Busso turned 90° under the hood. ITBs also avoid the asymmetrical intake trap of turning a late Busso north-south.

But imagine this. You're at a Cars & Coffee and you've got the hood open. It's a Busso. It's got that cool intake with chrome runners and the plenum in front of the cowl. Maybe you've got a Rotrex supercharger hanging off of the transmission end with a top-mount intercooler along that short path to the throttle body. (Maybe you go liquid charge cooler so you can keep the pretty hood pristine.) But it looks like a modified GTV and not super special beyond that. Then the meet ends. A Mustang does a burnout out of the parking lot and hits a tree. Before a crowd forms around the wreckage, you ease out of the driveway, wind the Busso up to make that Rotrex spool and you drop the clutch to get down the road in nothing flat and with no rubber on the asphalt.
 
And that's how most treat it. Coyotes in first gen Mustangs and Broncos, LT4s in C10s, 3.6s in backdated 964s. I tend to think it's modification for performance while preserving much of the spirit of the original. Of course I've traipsed over that line or just plain lost sight of it behind me with a combination of tire smoke and bugs in my face (the three-rotor three-wheeler), but I think this thread should be fun first and I'm having fun. This stuff makes my brain happy.

Totally fair, but I need to try my best to sell you on absconding with the highest of late '80s* sport sedan technology from that 164.

*Good bet most of the engineering was done before the '90s rolled around given production car lead times.

So my first thought was RWD with the Quadrifoglio running gear but I couldn't bear to lose the Busso. I'd happily give up 150hp for that low burble and the scream of ITBs on a Busso turned 90° under the hood. ITBs also avoid the asymmetrical intake trap of turning a late Busso north-south.

But imagine this. You're at a Cars & Coffee and you've got the hood open. It's a Busso. It's got that cool intake with chrome runners and the plenum in front of the cowl. Maybe you've got a Rotrex supercharger hanging off of the transmission end with a top-mount intercooler along that short path to the throttle body. (Maybe you go liquid charge cooler so you can keep the pretty hood pristine.) But it looks like a modified GTV and not super special beyond that. Then the meet ends. A Mustang does a burnout out of the parking lot and hits a tree. Before a crowd forms around the wreckage, you ease out of the driveway, wind the Busso up to make that Rotrex spool and you drop the clutch to get down the road in nothing flat and with no rubber on the asphalt.
Would happily accept RWD and traction issues, over all-wheel-drive coupled with inherent understeer.
Anything without a trick centre diff requires mega miles of development to cure.
BTW, I'm sure the 164 Q4 was on the market before the decade was out.
The 164 was going to be Bernie Ecclestone's cure for Alfa Romeo flagging car sales, thanks to his ProCar Silhouette formula.
Pop the hood on my coffee and cars display, you'll see a sextet of perfectly tuned intake runners that lead into a massaged Busso good for 300bhp+ and an aural Symphony to go with it.
Truth be told. If that motor would be in what started life as an 80's Alfetta GTV6. They're still a very good looking Italiano automobili, if you ask me.
If not the Alfetta, then an early 70's 105 series GTAm stuffed full of Alfaholics porn.
I think Alfa Romeo missed the boat a little with the Mito and Giulietta range of the last decade.
They were both screaming for a halo GTA version with performance in the same ballpark as Focus RS, Hyundai N or Honda Type R.
Maybe they just didn't have the development budget? Maybe they did and ran into incurable heat soak or sometjing else that got the project scrapped? We'll never know.

You made me lol with the Mustang reference.
You've obviously seen all those vids on YouTube, too. 🫣🙄🤭
 

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