Favorite dirty trick

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Wow.

Some of you people need to get off of your High Horses!
This is a Forum, a place for discussions, topics of interest, cool, neat, interesting things! We're not all going to agree with every thread, or have something interesting to say on the topic, but to start every reply with "I don't need to... But..." or "Jeez, you must suck if you NEED to do what I'm about to describe..."

This is, in my humble opinion, a new, fun and different enough topic to warrant at least passive respect. I know that most of us, at one time or another have done most of the described tricks either from sheer GT Overload/boredom or desperation, so I don't see how it's in any way productive to verbally accost the thread's author before you impart your own nefarious activities.

This may not be the most SIMULATION-TASTIC of topics, but you're forgetting one crucial detail when you berate the author.

This is a FREAKING VIDEO GAME. A GAME. People cheat, tweak, glitch and take advantage of AI in games all the time. What makes Gran Turismo so Hight and Mighty that it's above a little mischievous behavior?


That being said:
When it comes down to it, on one of those really long races, when the AI bumps me and i go off the track on the next to last lap, I've been known to employ the Pit maneuver on the car set me into the sand. Not proud of it, but I do save the replay most of the time 'cause it usually gets my pulse pounding!
 
Kuhnaydeein
Wow.

Some of you people need to get off of your High Horses!
This is a Forum, a place for discussions, topics of interest, cool, neat, interesting things! We're not all going to agree with every thread, or have something interesting to say on the topic, but to start every reply with "I don't need to... But..." or "Jeez, you must suck if you NEED to do what I'm about to describe..."

This is, in my humble opinion, a new, fun and different enough topic to warrant at least passive respect. I know that most of us, at one time or another have done most of the described tricks either from sheer GT Overload/boredom or desperation, so I don't see how it's in any way productive to verbally accost the thread's author before you impart your own nefarious activities.

This may not be the most SIMULATION-TASTIC of topics, but you're forgetting one crucial detail when you berate the author.

This is a FREAKING VIDEO GAME. A GAME. People cheat, tweak, glitch and take advantage of AI in games all the time. What makes Gran Turismo so Hight and Mighty that it's above a little mischievous behavior?


That being said:
When it comes down to it, on one of those really long races, when the AI bumps me and i go off the track on the next to last lap, I've been known to employ the Pit maneuver on the car set me into the sand. Not proud of it, but I do save the replay most of the time 'cause it usually gets my pulse pounding!
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Actually, I think the responses have been quite tame and it could have turned into a real flamefest. 👍
 
Kuhnaydeein
Wow.

Some of you people need to get off of your High Horses!

This is a FREAKING VIDEO GAME. A GAME. People cheat, tweak, glitch and take advantage of AI in games all the time. What makes Gran Turismo so Hight and Mighty that it's above a little mischievous behavior?
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And we're just saying that we think using crappy tactics to get around the AI cars is robbing the player of the real satisfaction of playing the game. Games are only games if there are rules to follow. Besides, every time I had tried it, I'd always come off much the worse in the deal. The AI hit me, I'm screwed. I hit the AI, I'm screwed.

For my playing, I've decided to make the racing as challenging and realistic as possible within the limitations of the gameplay. This means I go all out to avoid contact that would result in real damage to a real car. I will rub by on the inside a la Touring Car racing, but I will do anything to avoid hard collisions in either direction. I'm not worried about A-spec points since they are quite arbitrary; I'm more worried about running a clean race with a small MOV. I know I can usually pass by divebombing the AI at the braking points, staking out the inside, and letting them bounce off my outside door. So what's the point? It's more challenging to finesse your way through the traffic.
 
I sometimes have to use the AI as walls because they brake early and i cant brake in time and i gotta do it
 
Duke
And we're just saying that we think using crappy tactics to get around the AI cars is robbing the player of the real satisfaction of playing the game. Games are only games if there are rules to follow. Besides, every time I had tried it, I'd always come off much the worse in the deal. The AI hit me, I'm screwed. I hit the AI, I'm screwed.

For my playing, I've decided to make the racing as challenging and realistic as possible within the limitations of the gameplay. This means I go all out to avoid contact that would result in real damage to a real car. I will rub by on the inside a la Touring Car racing, but I will do anything to avoid hard collisions in either direction. I'm not worried about A-spec points since they are quite arbitrary; I'm more worried about running a clean race with a small MOV. I know I can usually pass by divebombing the AI at the braking points, staking out the inside, and letting them bounce off my outside door. So what's the point? It's more challenging to finesse your way through the traffic.
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I agree with you Duke :cheers: I think getting screwed while taking on the AI is a message from the creators of GT while they're saying: PLAY FAIR and make yourself proud of racing more like a REAL RACING DRIVER. However I know that sometimes the inevitable happens, bumping on the AI at a fast speed on a 45 degree corner..I know...sometimes it happenes and sometimes it's bad for you and the AI, but tell me something, what satisfaction do I get when I intentionally HIT the AI at a speed of 180 MPH just to get it off the road? Hu? I mean, it's a freaking computer driving ok? :nervous: it's not even one of your real friends or a human driving, (which in that case it would be really fun) but it's sad that you actually have to cheat on the game to beat an Artificial Intelligence and win a race :indiff: , You can race again if you didn't win and GET BETTER AT RACING which I think the game is all about :rolleyes:

Having fun in the endurance races is ok, specially if you have a big lead, but GT is quite different, like some say...LIFE IS A GAME, GRAN TURISMO IS SERIOUS...:D


Regards

Mr.OzzyGT
 
Mr.OzzyGT
I agree with you Duke :cheers: I think getting screwed while taking on the AI is a message from the creators of GT while they're saying: PLAY FAIR and make yourself proud of racing more like a REAL RACING DRIVER. However I know that sometimes the inevitable happens, bumping on the AI at a fast speed on a 45 degree corner..I know...sometimes it happenes and sometimes it's bad for you and the AI, but tell me something, what satisfaction do I get when I intentionally HIT the AI at a speed of 180 MPH just to get it off the road? Hu? I mean, it's a freaking computer driving ok? :nervous: it's not even one of your real friends or a human driving, (which in that case it would be really fun) but it's sad that you actually have to cheat on the game to beat an Artificial Intelligence and win a race :indiff: , You can race again if you didn't win and GET BETTER AT RACING which I think the game is all about :rolleyes:

Having fun in the endurance races is ok, specially if you have a big lead, but GT is quite different, like some say...LIFE IS A GAME, GRAN TURISMO IS SERIOUS...:D


Regards

Mr.OzzyGT
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you know, i cant agree anymore.i take GT seriously. and when i drive i dont end up racing dirty. if i do, however, bump the AI it is unintentional. there is every reason to race GT like real racing because some of us cant get to the track very often, or ever. if you race dirty, i agree also, go back to NFS. those game are for that. GT is real...more real than reality sometimes
 
I the races and non 5 sec penalty rallys I always race without deliberately hitting opponents and cutting corners etc. However on the special condition hall races I always swing the back of my car intot he walls and ride around them, I hate thoes races all thanks to the 5 second penalty.
 
I'm not as patient as many, and one of my favorite tricks is to brake late and sideswipe a car. This technique, "8 wheels corner better than 4," wouldn't be race-ending in real lefe, but would likely result in a pair of tire dougnuts on the sides of both cars, and likely a little bent sheetmetal.

one of the more annoying things, though, is that an AI car will run into me even when I have the line on him.
 
I'm grown-up to know to admit when I'm wrong. I still feel that a lot of the initial replies were a little cold-hearted and off-puting to someone who just wanted to post a topic they thought was interesting. But I guess that I may have flown off the handle a little with my criticism of said replies. I didn't mean to be an ass about it, but I've had the same thing happen to me on other forums, so I think I took it a little too personally.

For that I apologize, but most of what I said still stands true in my eyes. I apologize if what I had to say sounded like I was trying to participate in a "flame war," that was not my intent. Thank you for reading both my posts.

But like Mr.OzzyGT said:
"...like some say...LIFE IS A GAME, GRAN TURISMO IS SERIOUS..."

I'll have to admit, I do agree with him! :)

I too take this game very seriously 99.999% of the time... Just occasionally I like to have a bit of fun with it!
 
Yeah come on guys, this is a completely legit topic. I always like to drive straight through chicanes (if possible). It gives me an upperhand. I use this mostly with the JGTC and LMP cars. And if I feel lazy, I'll do it just to hurry any race.
 
FAOLIU05
I always like to drive straight through chicanes (if possible). It gives me an upperhand. I use this mostly with the JGTC and LMP cars. And if I feel lazy, I'll do it just to hurry any race.
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Is my sarcasm sensor broken? Do you really mean this? I'm serious - not attacking you or anything. I really want to know why you'd bother to play GT4 if you really do that kind of thing. The scenery just isn't that pretty. If you don't enjoy a good race, why race at all?
 
Duke
Is my sarcasm sensor broken? Do you really mean this? I'm serious - not attacking you or anything. I really want to know why you'd bother to play GT4 if you really do that kind of thing. The scenery just isn't that pretty. If you don't enjoy a good race, why race at all?
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How can you say that?
A lot of people enjoy driving a fast car for 5 perfect laps and do not care about a good (close) race.
Others like to cut corners, more like to bump AI off the track.
Hey its good fun to knock the AI into pits or sand traps.
I see nobody asking Famine to explain his views, is this a case of picking on a new member?
A lot of 200 point races require dirty tatics to win. Do not tell me I should not play GT this way because it is not true to the spirit of the game and did I really do that.
I originally ignored this thread because I thought it may get crappy, but I just have to speak up and say something because I feel sometimes mods unfairly pick on people due to their opinions and not the subject at hand.
With millions of sales world wide and a huge membership here we are bound to get a huge number of people that each get a kick out of playing GT in their own prefered style.

Best 200 point trick at any Tasabuka wet race. Rear end the AI hard at first corner, you get 5 sec penalty, but the AI stays in the sand for 20 seconds.
Drive away laughing and easy 200 point win.
Should not games be fun.
 
i didnt realize so many people take this game so seriously. i guess i should have known do to the sheer population of this place. i take it seriously only when i want that rush of adrenaline i get from the 'ring or le sarthe. usually im just beatnicking around taking pics or modding new cars. i supose thats also why i will never post a fastest lap time or 100 percent game completion. :guilty: its cool though. i commend those who drive like its a career. thats just to much mind power for me. i just drive with a lead foot and a camera lens.
 
Duke
If you don't enjoy a good race, why race at all?
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Because sometimes I don't want a close (or "good") race. Sometimes I just want to win and get things done. There isn't anything wrong with that.

lmracer
i didnt realize so many people take this game so seriously.
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Neither did I. Wow... but they're entitled to be however serious they want. This community is awesome, and it wouldn't have been possible without those hardcore gamers out there. But there is no right way to play this game. As long as you win, you win. Bottomline is, it's all just another tally to your win record.

But here's a good point... nitrous.

Look at the nitrous available in most cars in the game. If you (a generalized term for everyone "anti-tricks") use nitrous in any case, at any time during competition, than you're no better and have no bases to argue with anyone on the grounds of dirty tricks.
 
FAOLIU05
But here's a good point... nitrous.

Look at the nitrous available in most cars in the game. If you (a generalized term for everyone "anti-tricks") use nitrous in any case, at any time during competition, than you're no better and have no bases to argue with anyone on the grounds of dirty tricks.
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And why is that?

It's an available tuning part, it's used in the real world. It's just forced induction in a bottle - is a turbocharger/supercharger a "dirty trick"? It doesn't particularly stack up against not bothering to steer round a chicane.

Uncle Harry
I see nobody asking Famine to explain his views, is this a case of picking on a new member?
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FAOLIU05 isn't a new member - in fact he predates you by 3 months - and I'm sure that someone who disagrees with what I posted may well yet ask me to explain my views.
 
Famine
And why is that?
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Lets not forget, GT4 isn't real world racing. A.I cars don't use nitrous (just like how A.I cars can't run straight through chicanes), thus giving us a pretty major advantage, regardless of how it is used. Nitrous could always be that difference between a win or a loss. No matter... because if it is used (whether or not within moderation) the race itself is no longer fair.
 
Then again, the AI don't have a 5 second penalty and they don't adhere to race entry regulations (too powerful or cars which aren't allowed in the race/series).

Swings'n'rounabouts.
 
Unless your trying for 200 a spec points (even then some races can be easy) i dont think you need any tricks to beat the AI.

But i never grass or dirt cut, but A good "trick" is just going up the inside of the AI and "leaning" on them :sly: thats about the extent of tricks i use.
 
Duke
And we're just saying that we think using crappy tactics to get around the AI cars is robbing the player of the real satisfaction of playing the game.
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Not to talk down to you or anything, so don't take it that way...
But who are you (or this we) to decide whether or not a gamer with "questionable" tactics is deserving of "real satisfaction?" Not to demean your obvious position of authority at these particular forums, but who are you (or we) to decide where "real satisfaction" lies within the game? Hey... I'm sure you've played the game inside and out and know just about everything there is to know about the game. The data on these forums is just incredible. But to tell someone who bought the game, for motives unbeknownst to you, where "real satisfaction" lies is kind of well... not really anyone's place to say anything. That is purely personal prefference.

It's comments like those that would lead one to believe that there is some unjust bullying happening here. Rather than just going with the topic, there has to be this arguement in which the author of the thread might have become regretful. A lot of influencial people in this community layed into the subject, in which I view to be quite harshly. I mean... quite obviously this thread was recreational, hardly deserving of such serious critique.

Just my two cents...
 
I'm not trying to tell anyone how they must play the game. I'm not even telling them the right way to play the game. I'm not posting from a position of authority, I'm posting as a player, and not even an expert one at that. I'm only about 40% through GT4 and I'm a lower-middle-tier racer in any OLR. I'm just saying exactly what I said above:

If you are using "cheating" tactics to win, I think you're missing some important part of the satisfaction of playing the game. I use "cheating" to mean AI-ramming, wall-riding, grass-cutting, and the like. It's not technically cheating, of course, because the game physically allows it.

In case you missed it, I did question Famine - I'm not just "bullying" some perceived newer member. That's my point about the 200-point A-spec stuff. Why bother getting 200 points if A) it's arbitrary, and B) you have to resort to agressively non-real racing to make it?

That's almost like bowling a perfect 300-point game - with the bumpers up.

I'm questioning why somebody would want to play GT4 just to get it done quickly. As Uncle Harry said above, aren't games supposed to be fun? I realize he was not agreeing with me, but in my mind he was unintentionally supporting my point: if the game is not fun and you're just trying to get through it quickly, why play it at all? Why not move on to something in which you're genuinely interested?

That was the only intent of my posts above.
 
While I agree with the "satisfaction" part of driving a challenging race, I have used "dirty tricks" at times to finish a 200pt race.

How "challenging" do I like it? My win ratio is now down to 69% (fron 90+ in GT3) because I insist on joining races in cars that can't possibly win. :lol:

But cheat? Bang? Wallride? Whatever... I do it in rallies only because the AI pisses me off. :lol:

Favorite dirty trick? Costa reverse... ram the AI car just the right way in the first turn and he's stuck there for the rest of the race. Cheesy 200pt trick when you get it to work.
 
I also don't mind the odd dirty trick. Most of it has already been said, but I am pretty much in the Famine school of thought. The AI deserve everything they get, for several reasons. For instance, I have no qualms about ramming an AI into the gravel trap if his car doesn't satisfy the event regulations.
 
Duke,
Your post seemed out of place in a thread titled " favourite dirty trick".
If somebody is posting about using dirty tricks to win in a thread titled
" drive clean to win" your comments are justified and I would 100% agree.

Famine,
Bullying new members happens at most sites. I did not check FAOLIU05 status. :dunce:

I feel that sometimes mods just need a gentle reminder that they need to be doubley careful in what they post. I am sure you remember Spanner, Wrench, or was it Shifter.
 
I don't usually use those dirty tricks, but once, I was in a race at ssr5, and I was on the strait. I was going pretty fast, but the car behind me was faster. I had to end up grinding him into the wall to slow him down so I could win. This happened to me once before but that time he still passed me.:mad: I retried and gave it 100% effort and won.:D
 
I only do a 'Dirty Trick' on the rallys and some times on the fuji course (the one with the small lump near the end) where i just cut through the grass, but i only do that if 1) i screwed up bad and 10+ secs. behind 2) The AI is faster then me or 3) I need to get to school and im running out of time.
 
Duke
B) you have to resort to agressively non-real racing to make it?
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Exactly. And I don't really think the author of this thread is regreting this because...people, we are making different points here, wheteher someone think that these comments should be in this thread or not, this has become a quite interesting thread, you know why? because not only we get to know different "dirty tricks" but also It MAY educate someone or make someone feel a little proud of the way they are driving. Mods are not bullying anybody, it's just a point of view like everybody else's. Does it matter to you if Duke says "If the game is not fun and your just trying to get through it quickly, why play at all?" NOOO because is HIS way of seeing the game. Personally, I take this game seriously but in the sense that it's the most important game in my game collection (about 120) just because I looove racing, but you know what? nobody cares and you should just play the way you want to play..you see, this is why I like this thread because I get to know who takes this game seriously and who doesn't...is that going to change the way I drive? NO. ok so why argue with it, I even laugh at some "dirty tricks" this guys post or also the way they take their anger out on the AI, for example FULCRUMDRIVER on page 1, this dude must be a danger on the road out there:lol: but it's ALRIGHT WITH ME, this thread is not only about posting your "favorite dirty trick" forget that, lets make this thread more fun! ;)


Regards

Mr.OzzyGT
 
Wow...people get real up tight about having a little knock about...it's only a game people >_>;;

Anywho...always fun to come round a corner, aim for a rear quarter of the car in front and send it into a spin...usually it'lll roll out right in front of the others....(and if I need an excuse to use this "tactic" even though it's hardly a tactic...I'm at 100% with every car...so I'm allowed to)
 
I see Duke... hopefully I clarified the benefits of "dirty tricks."
FAOLIU05
Because sometimes I don't want a close (or "good") race. Sometimes I just want to win and get things done. There isn't anything wrong with that.
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Uncle Harry
Famine,
Bullying new members happens at most sites. I did not check FAOLIU05 status.
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Famine... bullying me? Haha. Good one. 👍 ;)
 

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