Feedback on accident plz

[Nuschel01]

Mustang‘s fault 100% imho

 

[zzz_pt]

I think the Lambo was a bit too aggressive but still within the boundaries. The Mustang, on the other hand, looks like he drove into the lambo, trying to get the inside line when the lambo was already 100% on his inside. He should have defended the inside line, not leaving it open and then bumping into the lambo.

Poor defending and wrong reaction from the mustang IMO. Once you lose the inside because you didn't defend it, you shouldn't try and take the apex as if there was no one on your inside, who has the right to the inside line.

It's also possible that the driver on the mustang didn't see the lambo coming for the overtake, but that's his fault too. Drive with the radar and be aware of your surroundings otherwise you'll be involved in accidents that could be easily avoided.

 

[EDK]

Uploaded the video with the data you were talking about
@EDK @Argon @Ph1sh @Sean Renon @marvthegamer @simsimsheree @Sven Jurgens @VeeDoubleU

Paused and showed the speeds at the moment of the accident ,including the guy ahead for reference regarding corner speed

That certainly provides a different perspective, and I would say you got punted on that one.

However, I will reiterate that I think the better move there would have been to back off and get a run up the hill, as it would be lower risk and more difficult to defend. It's also easier to create separation before the end of the lap, rather than potentially being vulnerable in the braking zone for the hairpin.

 

[racer_xis]

That certainly provides a different perspective, and I would say you got punted on that one.

However, I will reiterate that I think the better move there would have been to back off and get a run up the hill, as it would be lower risk and more difficult to defend. It's also easier to create separation before the end of the lap, rather than potentially being vulnerable in the braking zone for the hairpin.

Understood man, thanks for the tips

 

[Jump_Ace]

Earlier in the thread I was like 'Bad Lambo, bad!' But now it seems pretty clear the Mustang left the inside wide open and needed to yield to the Lambo pass. Crystal clear to me now on this one.


Jerome

 

[fastone371]

This is pretty hard to judge from this angle.

The Mustang turns in as if the Lambo isn't there though, so poor awareness from the Mustang driver, however it is very hard to tell if the Lambo has braked too late.

If the Lambo driver was braking too late and wouldn't have made the corner, it's that drivers fault.

But if the Lambo driver was going to make the corner, then the Mustang is at fault for turning in without realising an overtake attempt was made.

It's certainly a clean attempt at an overtake (as in, the Lambo driver wasn't too far behind before braking), however without knowing if the Lambo driver has broken too late, nothing certain can be said. I don't think it is possible to make a full judgement based off that footage.

I agree with the above and the camera panning makes it look like the Lambo is going wide but according to the steering angle indicator the Lambo makes no move to the right. I do have to ask, of all places on track to pass why choose what may be the worst section to attempt a pass? That is the kind of driving that drives me crazy. The guy in the Mustang takes his normal line because he does not think anyone could possibly be foolish enough to attempt a pass in that complex. My ultimate decision is 50%-50%, the Mustang turned in on a car that never should have been there.
****** AFTER RE-WATCHING THE VIDEO IM GOING TO SAY 100% THE LAMBOS FAULT, ITS THE FIRST LAP, WHAT THE HECK IS HE DOING?????? UNBELIEVABLE, IT TAKES A LITTLE COMMON SENSE TO RACE WELL, I hope the OP is in the Mustang.

 

[racer_xis]

I agree with the above and the camera panning makes it look like the Lambo is going wide but according to the steering angle indicator the Lambo makes no move to the right. I do have to ask, of all places on track to pass why choose what may be the worst section to attempt a pass? That is the kind of driving that drives me crazy. The guy in the Mustang takes his normal line because he does not think anyone could possibly be foolish enough to attempt a pass in that complex. My ultimate decision is 50%-50%, the Mustang turned in on a car that never should have been there.

Had never run with that guy on the track before, had no idea where he would break, went to the side mainly to avoid contact, overtaked only because I think he breaked too much

 

[Jamie Bbbbb]

Mustang's fault

 

[Crazy Taylor]

I dont think is really a overtaking corner. But the mustang should have saw that opponent behind them. Keeping an eye on them and how far behind they are . If they had seen the lambo was close enough, maybe could've yielded for lambo.

 

[racer_xis]

I agree with the above and the camera panning makes it look like the Lambo is going wide but according to the steering angle indicator the Lambo makes no move to the right. I do have to ask, of all places on track to pass why choose what may be the worst section to attempt a pass? That is the kind of driving that drives me crazy. The guy in the Mustang takes his normal line because he does not think anyone could possibly be foolish enough to attempt a pass in that complex. My ultimate decision is 50%-50%, the Mustang turned in on a car that never should have been there.
****** AFTER RE-WATCHING THE VIDEO IM GOING TO SAY 100% THE LAMBOS FAULT, ITS THE FIRST LAP, WHAT THE HECK IS HE DOING?????? UNBELIEVABLE, IT TAKES A LITTLE COMMON SENSE TO RACE WELL, I hope the OP is in the Mustang.

 

[kjeldsen]

Need some feedback on this, dirty overtaking by the white lamborghini? Or dirty defense by the mustang?
For instance, the speed of both at the moment of the collision was 130kmh on hard tires

Edited with longer detailed video

That looks like an easy case, only complication is the car in front that might have caused the Mustang to brake earlier..

https://www.gtplanet.net/forum/thre...play-gts-with-new-penalization-system.375408/

0-1 and 0-2 as usual comes into play.

As does dive bombing..

 

[VeeDoubleU]

I do have to ask, of all places on track to pass why choose what may be the worst section to attempt a pass?

Worst section for who? it is sort of one of the best places on the track to overtake because it is a heavy braking zone and if someone gets alongside inside before the corner, they have pretty much got the position because it is hard for a driver on the outside to stay on the outside during that chicane. Therefore, it is actually a very good place to gain position if you are a safe driver.

The only other good overtaking zones on the track is the hairpin afterwards, and the final hairpin. However the final hairpin isn't a great overtaking zone because the chicane before it separates cars out.

The guy in the Mustang takes his normal line because he does not think anyone could possibly be foolish enough to attempt a pass in that complex.

That is terrible logic. Even if you think 'wow surely he won't go for an overtake there', if the other driver does go to the inside, you still can't turn in as if the driver isn't there, because he clearly is.

The Mustang driver has no spacial awareness, and could have avoided the incident by not turning in without looking. And don't say 'oh the Lambo driver could have avoided the incident by not overtaking there', because that simply isn't a valid reason. You can't blame a driver for going for an overtake where you think isn't best, because if anything, that can be the best place to overtake.

Let's think about it, if there is a 'best place to overtake' on a track, then that means the driver ahead will expect the driver to attempt an overtake there, and hence will be more likely to try and defend and stay ahead. What that means is the driver ahead is more likely to stay ahead at the supposed 'best place to overtake'.

However, if someone attempts to overtake at the 'not best place to overtake', then that is more likely to be an overtake sometimes as it is unexpected and hence more likely to catch the opponent off-guard.

Racing is more than just driving in a line taking the same line lap after lap. Racing is about going for surprising moves, and catching others off-guard.

In this incident, the Mustang driver simply was the driver who caused the contact. The driver who instigated the contact.

 

[TheNorfolkDad]

Changed my mind after seeing the new video. The mustang could have quite easily defended the position but he’s stayed wide and braked early, effectively surrendering the position. That being said, had he maintained a later braking point and turned in you’d have been in the wrong. In the end though you both screwed each other

 

[Sven Jurgens]

Still a racing incident. The Mustang was likely 100% focused on not hitting the car in front of him and planning a faster exit to overtake on the hill, while the Lambo comes close to performing a dive bomb. the Lambo makes an agressive move, still within reason, but should have known the Mustang was focused on the car he was following. Humans aren't very good at following multiple things at a time. I see these kind of accidents happen all the time, although it usually just leads to the first car escaping while the 2 behind wrestle to get through the corner side by side.

It's actually a great tactic to get rid of an attacker when there's a 3rd car getting closer. Let the 3rd guy catch up and he'll slow down your attacker and you speed up and go free.

 

[Ph1sh]

Certainly a interesting topic that happens in racing leagues all across GT Sport today as this situation applies to many corners and situations. Just going to throw in my final thoughts then I'm off of this thread as I'll continue to read it and enjoy my popcorn

So after reviewing the video I still think it wasn't the smartest move by the lambo. Based off what I know, as many others do as well. (My thoughts toward the situation) is if you don't have 2 tires side by side at the very minimum when entering the braking zone, why shoot into the corner and risk not only a possible crash, but damage and lost time to the car ahead or behind. Thats just my thought process to it. There's PLENTY of corners and straight aways to make a clean pass.

The hit by the mustang was ehh. Of course not clean, however he may have not expected you there as the lambos car was fully behind the mustang. So if I were to get technical. That mustang had the right of way into the corner but since the lambo dive bombed a little bit to take the line, it caused the 2 too lose time.

It's definately a tricky situation. But as I stated, it doesn't make sense to dive bomb a little to take his line and both lose time. Many other corners to find a better pass.

Just have to be a bit more patient. If your faster than the car ahead, then you'll find a faster line to get around nice and clean.

Again just my 2 cents.