Ferrari F458 in GT5 (New video post 67)

[Zer0]

I only have a problem with this PD (and Turn 10) culture of not using their in-game rendering software to make those videos. They use a different software with ray-tracing and probably higher resolution to give the game a better look than it actually has.

Do you know what is ray tracing?..

 

[Leonidae]

After seeing both trailers, I honestly can say that we can stop worrying about Forza 3.. it won't be even near GT5's level.

 

[Obli]

And don't come back crying that the video is GT5 and the game is GT5P. They both run with that nasty 2xAA limitation that makes things look badly aliased and somewhat fuzzy. Even if PD can pull an amazing hat trick, they will never be able to do more than 4xAA in 1080p resolution which is still nothing compared to the ray-tracing we see in the video.

A couple of members here saw GT5 at the French games show where GT5 was last shown to the public and mentioned the first thing they noticed was how much the anti-aliasing had improved.

 

[No46_TheDoctor]

Just use your common sense and your eyes and watch the gamescon09 direct feed GT5 replay videos... if you don't see the difference, you're whether blind or very partial... ;-)

There aren't any gamescon09 "direct feed" videos.

And why are you so upset by a GT5 movie thats purpose is to promote the car firstly and the game secondly, why do you think it's on the Ferrari website?

No one ever said this was gameplay footage, no one would ever use stock gameplay footage to promote a car such as this one, well, no one with any sense. So they use cameras that move in a specific way to achieve the desired effect, they are making a movie after all, it probably has a proper director and had story boards and everything. Don't you people realise what's involved in making a proper movie? You don't just hook up a capture card and pull a few handbrake turns on a race track you know...., not if you want to do it properly.

 

[G.T.Ace]

I only have a problem with this PD (and Turn 10) culture of not using their in-game rendering software to make those videos. They use a different software with ray-tracing and probably higher resolution to give the game a better look than it actually has.

No. Seriously, no.
They DO touch up the trailers, yes, there is AA added, yes, there are some filters added for camera effects, but no, ray tracing?

I don't need to watch the Gamescon videos when watching GT5P replays on my TV is enough for me. The "statistics" might be different, but the 458 trailer again, isn't very far from what we've seen.

This.
The trailer looks like GT5P plus AA and minus shadow flickering (which you mostly see when zooming in).

 

[Dravonic]

Who cares? GT5 Prologue looks amazing, any improvement in GT5 is a bonus, whats so hard for you to grasp about this fact?

Forza 3 still looks like a video game, even GT5 Prologue sometimes looks real, it's simple.

It's a sign of the greatness of Gran Turismo that people feel the need to "try" and run it down, just wait a couple of days, then see who's laughing.

It's really amazing to see people reading your words reaching all sorts of crazy conclusions.

I'm jaw dropped with GT5P graphics. It's incredibly amazing. I don't even know how they can come up with such incredible graphics when Turn 10 struggles to come up with that weird looking ones.

I'm just trying to point out that this video is looking better than the game because it uses different rendering software and people suddenly reach the conclusion that I think GT5 graphics are bad. Even worse, that I'm a Forza guy trying to take GT down.

I don't know how can you people be so narrow minded. If I'm not praising GT5 as the best thing ever since sliced bread, then I hate it and I'm trying to make everyone hate it too? lol.

 

[No46_TheDoctor]

It's really amazing to see people reading your words reaching all sorts of crazy conclusions.

I'm jaw dropped with GT5P graphics. It's incredibly amazing. I don't even know how they can come up with such incredible graphics when Turn 10 struggles to come up with that weird looking ones.

I'm just trying to point out that this video is looking better than the game because it uses different rendering software and people suddenly reach the conclusion that I think GT5 graphics are bad. Even worse, that I'm a Forza guy trying to take GT down.

I don't know how can you people be so narrow minded. If I'm not praising GT5 as the best thing ever since sliced bread, then I hate it and I'm trying to make everyone hate it too? lol.

No, it's the fact that your trying to tell people stuff that their not interested in hearing, so what if it had a few filters added, what movie doesn't?

This movie is intended to promote the car not the game, so obviously it's in everyones interest to make it look as good as possibly, we all know what PD are capable of, we have played GT5P.

 

[Dravonic]

Do you know what is ray tracing?..

Yes, basically. Can I be wrong? Sure, there are other ways to achieve this looks, like rendering the game in crazy resolutions and then scaling it down to full HD. So yeah I can be wrong about the ray-tracing.

However, I'm not wrong about rendering the game in a different way than it's rendered in your PS3 to make those videos look better.

 

[Bogie 19th]

Just like with GT5p, this car won't look as good as this trailer in GT5 final. It has ALWAYS been that way in prerendered video's and screenshots, and always will be.

The 458 will look awesome though, regardless (just like it will in FM3).

 

[Dravonic]

No, it's the fact that your trying to tell people stuff that their not interested in hearing, so what if it had a few filters added, what movie doesn't?

This movie is intended to promote the car not the game, so obviously it's in everyones interest to make it look as good as possibly, we all know what PD are capable of, we have played GT5P.

Yeah, the problem is it's also misleading people into thinking the graphics are that way. I'm always against misleading people, I can't see how you cannot.

 

[JakeCourtney]

It's really amazing to see people reading your words reaching all sorts of crazy conclusions.

I'm jaw dropped with GT5P graphics. It's incredibly amazing. I don't even know how they can come up with such incredible graphics when Turn 10 struggles to come up with that weird looking ones.

I'm just trying to point out that this video is looking better than the game because it uses different rendering software and people suddenly reach the conclusion that I think GT5 graphics are bad. Even worse, that I'm a Forza guy trying to take GT down.

I don't know how can you people be so narrow minded. If I'm not praising GT5 as the best thing ever since sliced bread, then I hate it and I'm trying to make everyone hate it too? lol.

Because Turn 10 actually puts out a playable game in two years with lots of features that the community can use.

I'll take better physics and painting, tuning, parts, and auction house over stellar graphics any day of the week.

 

[phil-t]

Not that I want to feed the trolls, but I don't think the AA is 'touched up' in post processing, it's that clean, it must be in the source, I've not personally seen any post processing that can effectively remove jaggies without horrendous artefacting.

But, I never ceased to be amazed by the upclose super LOD shots that people create with GT5p.. I'd agree that it may be possible to get close to this video in terms of image IQ, but we all know that while actually racing in normal views, the IQ drops to the point that it's not that far adrift of FM (IMO)..

What T10 lack in their engine is this max LOD of awesomeness to allow the same type of one off production values, and on that front it'll all fail when put under the same scrutiny..

Personally, I really don't care either way, it's simply how good they look while actually racing that counts, and I'm not unhappy with either game, despite a pretty large gap in shader realism that PD have.

 

[TeamStig]

I think what we can all agree on is that Gran Turismo in-game will look closer to its trailers than Forza will.

That video is epic though.

 

[phil-t]

I think what we can all agree on is that Gran Turismo in-game will look closer to its trailers than Forza will.

That video is epic though.

Actually FM will be identical to it's trailers, they are made exclusively of either replay camera footage, or scripted camera pans actually in-game at 60fps..

I do expect people will get close enough to the PD video from GT5 as people have done in GT5p, so there is no issue at all..

 

[Bogie 19th]

I think what we can all agree on is that Gran Turismo in-game will look closer to its trailers than Forza will.

That video is epic though.

I completely disagree.

 

[Mirza]

Gamescon pic.
From replay I think.

It seems that people, or the haters, forget how good this game looks. I mean, just look at the lights. Superb.

 

[Dravonic]

Actually FM will be identical to it's trailers, they are made exclusively of either replay camera footage, or scripted camera pans actually in-game at 60fps..

Wrong. Turn 10 also uses different rendering. Their trailers are not direct capturing of real time in-game graphics as you claim they are.

 

[Rand al Thor]

All i can say is Hot DAMN!!!


The king has laid the bitch slap down. Gran turismo remains the king of all racing games.

 

[daus26]

I'm misunderstanding things? What's there to misunderstand?

The name of the article is.....



"New Corvette ZR1 Model Screenshots from GT PSP"

https://www.gtplanet.net/new-corvette-zr1-model-screenshots-from-gt-psp/

And then they post a bunch of pics that look like these.....

Do you believe even for a second that those are the car models found in GT PSP?

YES, you are. You're just showing more misunderstanding by the minute. For one thing, PD didn't even title it that. The GTP site did. No where did PD mention anywhere those ZR1 shots are rendered from GTPSP. Its purpose was to promote GTPSP and the ZR1 in the game, not scam people to thinking its GTPSP's graphic. This is why in the cover of any game, the models are rendered in a much different way than the in-game. Why advertise and promote with in-game visuals? Is this the first time you've seen trailers rendered in CG or something? I suppose they are trying to fool the consumer as well with the GTPSP intro too right?

And you didn't even get my point. The point was no one would be clueless enough to believe those pics were based on the psp's hardware. Again, Kaz has already said that PSP is far limited in processing power compared to the Ps3 so if you think they are trying to scam us that the two systems are indentical then you have no idea. It's misunderstandings like these that create problems.

But seriously, since when did CGI trailers became a scam of the developer in the consumer's eyes? They've been doing it for years. Was there anywhere in the CGI trailers that says "running in-game footage?"

This is the straight fact. Then again there will always be those who twist things around, so thus an arguement arises.

 

[Bogie 19th]

No where did PD mention anywhere those ZR1 shots are rendered from GTPSP.

"Polyphony Digital have released 19 new screenshots showing off the detail of the game’s (GTPSP) 3D model."

 

[IsmokeGT]

The king has laid the bitch slap down

👍

Well said!

 

[hardvibes]

Amen daus26.

 

[phil-t]

Wrong. Turn 10 also uses different rendering. Their trailers are not direct capturing of real time in-game graphics as you claim they are.

Wrong back at you..

Che's mentioned lots of times the 'source' of the promo vids..

As an example,
http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showpost.php?p=17512955&postcount=7541

And there are lots of references to using the replay cam footage for the Dreams video intermixed with in-game footage..

If you have a source for your accusation fine, I only get to see what is on FM.NET and the Gaf..

 

[daus26]

"Polyphony Digital have released 19 new screenshots showing off the detail of the game’s (GTPSP) 3D model."

Read my post again. All that came from the GTP site, NOT PD. If you can prove as to tell me GTP quoted that from GT's developers, then go ahead my friend.

 

[TorqueHappenS08]

This look's nothing like thoughs beautiful Bull shots che posted...

Look at the wheels and car's.

Im not knocking forza 3 but thoughs bullshot/photo modes were touched up as i dont know what.

forza 3 ingame, but still looks really nice. But 0:18 and come on.... the spinning rims look like hubcaps, and what happen to the Realistic looking tires, ..not to mention the windows...which look busted out.

i didnt fall for the BS one second, That's what happened with Forza 2, Pics looked amazing, but ingame looked like a totaly different game.

forza 2 bull shot.

Beautiful forza Bull shot.

Do you get my point, I know PD uses bull shot's but Turn 10 goes to the extreme.

 

[TeamStig]

Actually FM will be identical to it's trailers, they are made exclusively of either replay camera footage, or scripted camera pans actually in-game at 60fps..

I do expect people will get close enough to the PD video from GT5 as people have done in GT5p, so there is no issue at all..

I completely disagree.

Sorry...prefacing it with "I think what we can all agree on" was a bad idea.

Both of the pictures I uploaded are of the Peugeot 908. The first is very detailed and very accurate. The wheels are modeled nicely and the decals are all in high resolution. Then look at the second picture. Notice how the wheels are replaced with a 2D texture and the decals are muddy and distorted. I realize these aren't the best quality pictures, but you can still see a significant difference here.

GT5P doesn't have these problems.

 

[G.T.Ace]

Because of the Corvette pics:
Actually, Sony released them first as "Corvette ZR-1 Beauty Shots" and then PD put them up on their site. They were listed under GTPSP but never handled as "screenshots", more like concept art.

The tracks where the 'Vette drove on the pics were high-res GT4 quality btw. (leavings from GTHD Classic?).

 

[Kinetic]

Because Turn 10 actually puts out a playable game in two years with lots of features that the community can use.

I'll take better physics and painting, tuning, parts, and auction house over stellar graphics any day of the week.

Done this a few times now buddy, if you want to post about Forza do it in the forza section or at another website, quite clear what your attempting to do and it's not even to initiate discussion its just pure fanboyism.

Nothing you posted was fact and was pure speculation on the part that GT5 wont have it, untill your going to actually post properley and drop the fanboy'ness' i suggest you spare everyone the time of reading your trash

 

[Bogie 19th]

Do you get my point, I know PD uses bull shot's but Turn 10 goes to the extreme.

PD and Turn 10 go to the extreme equally. Che's claims are BS, and Kaz/PD claims are BS.

Read my post again. All that came from the GTP site, NOT PD. If you can prove as to tell me GTP quoted that from GT's developers, then go ahead my friend.

Read ANY article again showing PD pulling a fast one by showing 3D model images (including the official PSblog) of a car that is NOT in the GTPSP game in any fashion of quality similar to what they released as screenshots.

Spin as you will, but both companies are deceiving the consumer.

 

[Rand al Thor]

Done this a few times now buddy, if you want to post about Forza do it in the forza section or at another website, quite clear what your attempting to do and it's not even to initiate discussion its just pure fanboyism.

Nothing you posted was fact and was pure speculation on the part that GT5 wont have it, untill your going to actually post properley and drop the fanboy'ness' i suggest you spare everyone the time of reading your trash

glad i am not the only person who noticed this.

he's quite blatant. i will leave it at that.