Finally Discovered Why I Don't Like GT5

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I was thinking about it today, and I think I have finally figured out the one thing that really kills the enjoyment of GT5 for me.

I was thinking about all the things about it that I don't like, such as the half hearted implementation of most of the features (looking at you weather and day/night) and the fact that there's really only about 200 cars in the game with a huge supporting cast of cars that look like they're from a PS2 game. Couple that with the less than spectacular car feel through the controller (I'm not going to spend money on a wheel for a game that should be playable with stock equipment) and the absolutely terrible AI, and you would think that I'd found the cause of my dislike.

But no, none of those things, even put together, really kill the game for me. I can get past cars that look bad, limp controller feedback and spotty implementation of weather and time change. I can even get over the AI being so slow it's laughable. But there is something which I can not overlook.

This game claims to be the Ultimate Driving Simulator. It is sold as a racing game, and fancies itself to be quite the king of the console racing mountain. And yet, it lacks the most definitive name in sports car racing of all time.

Porsche.

Who has the most Le Mans 24 hour victories? Porsche. Who has the most Daytona 24 hour victories? Porsche. Who dominated Can-Am so much that it killed the series? Porsche. Who has the most GT wins in ALMS? Porsche. What manufacturer numerically dominates almost all track day lapping events? Porsche. Who has been a household name in sports car racing for 60 years? Porsche. There truly is no substitute.

Who is NOT in GT5? Porsche.

Even those who profess to be 'Porsche haters' have to admit, there is no other manufacturer that can equal the accomplishments of Porsche. No one has been as good for as long, and no one has a more pedigreed racing heritage than them. Sure, Ferrari has been racing for just as long, and they've dominated F1 for the past decade, but when it comes to sports cars, they've played second fiddle to the men from Stuttgart for half a century.

The lack of this incredible manufacturer in GT5 is a tragedy. What is PD's excuse? Other games have managed to secure licensing to have Porsche in them (Every Forza game, Need for Speed, TDU, PGR, etc.) so why couldn't PD manage? And don't try to say that Ruf counts, because they don't. There's no Ruf race cars, no Ruf premiums, and there's only 4, the newest of which is like 10 years old.

PD developed this game for years. They put untold millions into creating this experience, and they included a staggering variety of cars. How did they manage to miss one so glaringly obvious? The fact that they did, to me, screams that this game is unfinished as much as all the other problems put together. It's a shame, and it kills my desire to play the game knowing that there's such a gaping hole.

Am I alone in this feeling? Does anyone else feel that for a game concerning cars to be the 'Ultimate' anything, it should at least have the ultimate racing manufacturer?
 
So because ONE manufacturer isn't in the game, the WHOLE game is ruined for you?
 
No Porsche.....good. That's why you don't like GT5. Case closed.
 
take it to porsche not PD. they gave their liecence to EA i think, exclusive.therefore the issue is with them not PD.
 
and this deserves a thread?

dont like it?

sell it, burn it, just quit the whining!
 
So because ONE manufacturer isn't in the game, the WHOLE game is ruined for you?
Honestly, no. If the game had been good other than that, I could have still enjoyed it, albeit not as much. The problem is that it is at best a half finished game, which still tries to present itself as complete and 'Ultimate' when most of the promised unique/cool features (weather, day/night, race conversion, cockpit, damage, etc)don't work most of the time. That combined with the lack of the single most successful racing manufacturer of ALL TIME ruin it for me.
So I guess you could say that it's the straw that broke the camel's back. It just seems to be one of the most obvious areas that GT5 is a failure to me. Can you honestly justify the exclusion of Porsche, and not be at least slightly upset that it's not there?
 
Wow you are such a porche fanboy the game is ruined for you because of it.

You have to be able to realise that not many people ware so in love with porche that they would dismiss a game because of it?

I respect your stance on it, but my own personal view is I dont really care about "porche" missing at all.

Oh and do we even need to mention, RUF is in the game, which you may as well pretend says porche?

EDIT: I am not even slightly upset. But like I said it is because Im not a huge fan of porche. But even if my fav manufacturer was missing, I would still play the game, albeit dissapointed. But You have RUF! Its almost like haviing porhce. I dont see the issue here...
 
I guess GT4 and the other GTs past are also ruined for you then.

Of course I'd love to drive a Carrera GT in GT5, but Porsche has an exclusive deal with EA (NFS franchise). Instead, GT gets RUF (not quite the same, but they do what they can).
 
Who's CURRENTLY got cars in the top levels of motorsport? Not Porsche.

Seriously thogh, like katsu said, burn the game, log off GTPlanet, go outside, find a friend.
 
Completely agree about Porsche being missing, but it didn't completely ruin the game for me...
 
take it to porsche not PD. they gave their liecence to EA i think, exclusive.therefore the issue is with them not PD.
I've heard this several times over the last year or so, but I really wonder how much truth there is to it. I first heard that this happened before Forza 3 came out, and Turn 10 still manage to get P Cars in their game, so clearly it isn't that EA is unwilling to let anyone else use the licence. There must be more to it than that.
I don't pretend to be an expert on it, but there have been non-EA titles since that happened that have featured Porsche, so.... yeah.

and this deserves a thread?

dont like it?

sell it, burn it, just quit the whining!
Cause so much of what gets its own thread on here deserves its own thread... And I thought part of what this community liked to do was make helpful comments and criticisms of the GT games so that they will hopefully improve. Guess I was wrong.
 
I too wish they had Porsche in the game. However, PD do not have a license for Porsche, but they have done the next best thing and included a few RUF models to satisfy our curiosity. Iirc EA have the license for Porsche, and they are not going to allow PD to have that license cheaply.

Go and play Test Drive Unlimited 2 (or any other racing game) for half an hour. Then come back here and tell me its not a good idea to have "huge supporting cast of cars that look like they're from a PS2 game".

I would rather have the 1000+ cars in GT5 (in any resolution), than the pitiful array of cars in that and many other games. Most of the Car Models in GT5 are fantastic. Some are ok. All of them drive differently, and provide some sense of "difference" from each other. Lots of other racing/driving games out there increase the speed of the screen refresh for each car, but do little else with the physics.

I played TDU2 for an hour today, and honestly thought I had traded my PS3 in for a PS2. I will not be playing it again. I am sure my Son will love dressing up his Avatar and having hair cuts, buying clothes, houses and watching cut scenes of scantily clad polygons.

Me? I am going to take a Yellow Bird for a spin around the ring, and pretend I am in a Porsche... ;)
 
It's called an exclusivity contract. Porsche can't break it.
 
Honestly, no. If the game had been good other than that, I could have still enjoyed it, albeit not as much. The problem is that it is at best a half finished game, which still tries to present itself as complete and 'Ultimate' when most of the promised unique/cool features (weather, day/night, race conversion, cockpit, damage, etc)don't work most of the time. That combined with the lack of the single most successful racing manufacturer of ALL TIME ruin it for me.
So I guess you could say that it's the straw that broke the camel's back. It just seems to be one of the most obvious areas that GT5 is a failure to me. Can you honestly justify the exclusion of Porsche, and not be at least slightly upset that it's not there?

PD couldn't obtain a License for Porsche so actually made an effort and tried a work around instead, in the form of RUF.

"But no, none of those things, even put together, really kill the game for me. I can get past cars that look bad, limp controller feedback and spotty implementation of weather and time change. I can even get over the AI being so slow it's laughable. But there is something which I can not overlook.

This game claims to be the Ultimate Driving Simulator. It is sold as a racing game, and fancies itself to be quite the king of the console racing mountain. And yet, it lacks the most definitive name in sports car racing of all time.

Porsche."

You just said that Porsche not being in the game is worse than all the problems put together.
 
take it to porsche not PD. they gave their liecence to EA i think, exclusive.therefore the issue is with them not PD.
Yep, it's all a licensing thing, not PD's choice at all.

We're dealing with this in slot cars right now. One company bought an exclusive license for Ferrari (two years left on a three year deal). All other slot car builders had to stop making Ferraris. Even if a company had just spent a million dollars in tooling on a new Ferrari slot car, they had to cease and desist.

So, should I stop buying slot cars from 95% of the companies because they can't build me a Ferrari? How can you have racing without Ferrari?

I've been a Porsche nut since I was 10, and 36 years later, that hasn't changed. Not holding a grudge against a company because they don't hold the licensing from Porsche, though.
 
I never understand the whole Porsche thing. There's 5 freakin' RUF cars in the game, which are just the same Porsches you would end up with after modding the stock ones to the moon and back anyway.

But regardless of that... one "missing" manufacturer is more important than all the glaring defects in the game? Really?

Wow! :lol:
 
I've heard this several times over the last year or so, but I really wonder how much truth there is to it. I first heard that this happened before Forza 3 came out, and Turn 10 still manage to get P Cars in their game, so clearly it isn't that EA is unwilling to let anyone else use the licence. There must be more to it than that.
I don't pretend to be an expert on it, but there have been non-EA titles since that happened that have featured Porsche, so.... yeah.


Cause so much of what gets its own thread on here deserves its own thread... And I thought part of what this community liked to do was make helpful comments and criticisms of the GT games so that they will hopefully improve. Guess I was wrong.


dude didn't you realize you're being a total kid?

even a freakin noob would search on google why porche isn't in the game, it's a very complicated subject but it's not PD's fault, not by a long shot!

I would be pissed if ferrari's and lambo's weren't in the game, but porche?

who gives a flying fack?

btw you still have rufus!
 
Never liked porsche too much myself. And it definitely doesn't ruin the whole game for me.
 
Wow you are such a porche fanboy the game is ruined for you because of it.

You have to be able to realise that not many people ware so in love with porche that they would dismiss a game because of it?

I respect your stance on it, but my own personal view is I dont really care about "porche" missing at all.

Oh and do we even need to mention, RUF is in the game, which you may as well pretend says porche?

EDIT: I am not even slightly upset. But like I said it is because Im not a huge fan of porche. But even if my fav manufacturer was missing, I would still play the game, albeit dissapointed. But You have RUF! Its almost like haviing porhce. I dont see the issue here...
Honestly, I do admit that Porsche is my favorite manufacturer, but it's not to the exclusion of all others. I would bring this issue up even if they weren't. Anyone with the history of Porsche deserves to be in this game. Period.
Plus, as I said, I guess I was a little misleading, it's not the only reason i dislike the game, but it's the most apparent every time I go to play it.


Who's CURRENTLY got cars in the top levels of motorsport? Not Porsche.

Seriously thogh, like katsu said, burn the game, log off GTPlanet, go outside, find a friend.
Soon
And they're still in GT2, and DP. Won GT & 3rd place in DP @ Rolex 24 this year.
And personal attacks are a little childish wouldn't you say? There's no need, if you disagree, use reason and state why, don't resort to petty insults.
 
OP dont take it to seriously when you get flames here for saying negative things about gt5. Ive seen it happen a lot even when the complaint is reasnable.

I would say your within your right to be upset that porche isnt in it, but to most people it doesnt matter..

Anyway, you still havent said anything about RUF. You relaise RUF is in the game right? They are like porche. DO you know of this?
 
You mean Ferrari.

Well it has Ferrari.

The rivalry will never end lol. I absolutely LOVE every ferrari in this game (except the SP1....:yuck:) and would never say that Ferrari is not a fantastic manufacturer of spectacular automobiles, nor that it lacks a rich and storied history in sports car racing. Admit it though, with no fair challenger, the Ferraris lose something. This game only has half of the greatest rivalry in automotive history, and while some would say it's the better half, even they must admit that it's only half.
 
The rivalry will never end lol. I absolutely LOVE every ferrari in this game (except the SP1....:yuck:) and would never say that Ferrari is not a fantastic manufacturer of spectacular automobiles, nor that it lacks a rich and storied history in sports car racing. Admit it though, with no fair challenger, the Ferraris lose something. This game only has half of the greatest rivalry in automotive history, and while some would say it's the better half, even they must admit that it's only half.

What's wrong with the SP1?
It's the 512BB I hate :yuck::yuck::yuck:
 
OP dont take it to seriously when you get flames here for saying negative things about gt5. Ive seen it happen a lot even when the complaint is reasnable.

I would say your within your right to be upset that porche isnt in it, but to most people it doesnt matter..

Anyway, you still havent said anything about RUF. You relaise RUF is in the game right? They are like porche. DO you know of this?

I'm aware, and was/am well prepared for it lol. Still doesn't mean I have to take the personal attacks lying down ;) lol.

And thanks, As I said, I guess it's not the only reason, but it's the biggest for me.
Ruf is similar to Porsche, but there's no premium Rufs, there's no Ruf race cars, and there's not even a Ruf newer than the RGT that's near on 10 years old now. It's a sorry substitute for the real thing, but it's the best we've got I guess.
And I own at least 1 of all of 'em lol.
 
Completely agree about Porsche being missing, but it didn't completely ruin the game for me...

^^^ this is how I feel. It sucks but oh well...The game is still very fun. Here's a tip, get a wheel it increases the fun factor tenfold. I was bored with the game until I got a g27.
 
Too bad we don't have Porsche for a license reason. They could at least give us Premium RUF models. But we have POS Premium Daihatsu Copen Active we could drive all around the 'Ring, fabulous hybrid cars and so much crap from sixties.

I'm not gonna sell my PS3 and buy Forza, I hope PD will do good upgrades....
 
What's wrong with the SP1?
It's the 512BB I hate :yuck::yuck::yuck:

The 512BB is pretty bad lol, but I just really hate how they took a beautiful car and turned it into that....thing with the SP1. I just really hate the shape.
 
I love every Ferrari:D

They should have included McLaren F1 cars.
The whole damn game is now ruined :(

The 512BB is pretty bad lol, but I just really hate how they took a beautiful car and turned it into that....thing with the SP1. I just really hate the shape.

The SP1 reminds me a 599 GTO :D :D :D :D :D
I also hate the F40.
It handles quite bad in my opinion.
 
Geez, the OP must not like every single GT game then.
 
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