Finally upped DR to A; Don't want to race online anymore!

[twitcher]

I’m convinced nobody actually has fun with this game. Certainly not me, with only ten wins to show for over 400 races logged. I think I was just in denial, thinking I was enjoying GT.

How do you think Nico Hulkenberg feels

I really wish we could get over this need to protect our driver ratings with second accounts, and just race.

I understand that people take pride in their rating, and want to be able to race dailies without worrying what split they'll end up in FIA races, but if you can't maintain your rating in the dailies then maybe you don't belong there. The whole point of the driver rating system is to place you with similarly skilled drivers, regardless of how good you could be. Maybe you'll drop down to B and maybe you'll make it back to A. Your driver rating should be a recent and accurate reflection of your ability at that point in time and not how good you were two months ago.

Just like F1 drivers, some are only good enough to stay there for 1 or 2 seasons and some are good enough to stay there their whole careers.

I agree with what you’re saying, but for me personally, part of the worry of losing DR and SR is both the rate at which you lose it, and the circumstances under which you lose it.

I feel like most of the times I lose DR or SR, it’s not because of a mistake I made, but a mistake someone else made that I pay the price for. On top of that, the rate at which you lose stats is far higher than you gain them....2 bad races in a row where a series of uncontrollable and unfortunate events happen can see both your ratings absolutely tank.

Just last night, I was actually having a blast doing Race A. I started the night out at SR A, and my DR around 29500...almost back at A! After doing a bunch of races where I thought nothing extremely serious happened...a few course cutting penalties, some fender rubbing and bumper banging (this is a touring car race after all)...I checked my stats, and found I’d gone down to SR E (8), and lost 22,000 DR, going from 29k down to 7k. All from about 10ish races. It will take me dozens, if not literally hundreds of races, to get that rating back.

The DR, as much as I’d like it for bragging purposes, i don’t really care, as it has no effect on anything. The SR though, now I’m stuck racing with dirty races who make it really difficult to have a clean race. I either have to stay out front, or coast at the rear.

Speaking of being out front...I put in a 2:05.3xx for my quali time for Race A...bit the fastest ever, but good enough to start almost every race I did last night on the front row. Every race, without fail, I would get punted off the circuit in T1...and NOT ONCE did the punter get a penalty for it (I think it has something to do with the game not understanding that the braking point for T1 on lap 1 is different, so by taking a defensive inside which requires you to brake earlier, the game thinks you’re brake checking the guy behind, so he gets a free shot to punt you off at full force with no penalty).

In one of the races, a guy dive bombed me going into the Dunlop Corner (right gander where the Chicane normally is). He hit me in my door, I got a 3 second penalty for it...and he hit me so far off the track, the game reset my car instead of letting me carry speed through the run off. So all said and done, I got like a 15 second penalty because someone hit me. I lost massive amount of SR that game, and because it happened on lap 1, the lost ground was difficult to make up, I ended up finishing 5th I think, and losing DR because of it.


So like I said, I agree with you that SR and DR should be an indication of where your driving is at present day, as opposed to an indication of how high you can potentially get/got. That said, I don’t think the current SR/DR system is at all an accurate reflection of where your driving is at. Too many things that are beyond the player’s control have negative impact on the ratings, so I think it’s natural that people make effort to protect their ratings.

 

[Odiesback]

Interesting discussion. I have had A DR for the past 3 logged days, after 171 consecutive days on B! I got to confess you that my very first race as an A rated I was so nervous that I could feel my heart trying to get out of my chest as if I were racing in real life! - for Sardegna II B I qualified with a 1:21.9 that got me in P15 to start along mostly A and some A+ drivers! For first laps I was driving somewhat way too careful to keep pace and was overthinking every corner... but once I got it together, I was on for the rest of the race. Finished P10 and gained bunch of points. Racing better drivers will make you a better driver, no doubt about it.

It’s like big risk, big reward kinda thing. The beauty of the DR system and official races is that high level of unpredictable circumstances that makes it so addictive. When you manage to keep up and beat A+ drivers in a race environment the rewards are enormous. Remember that they also make mistakes and you just need to be there to capitalize on them.

Regarding the second account, I can see the argument in favor but I think that it wound take away that risk factor big big rewards thing for me.... much like going to a casino and gambling with Monopoly money as opposed to your own real money.

 

[llNovall]

Everyone seems to associate Dr rating with progress, but what I have noticed is that it's a measure of where you stack up against the competition. After a while, we all seem to settle in to a rating going up, coming down, but at some point we all hit our maximum potential rating. There will be some combos that favor us, and then others that just do not. I have bounced between an A and a B forever, and I'm about 2-2.5 seconds off the the top 10 pace and occasionally get within 1-1.5 seconds with the perfect combo. For me, I'm rated and fall exactly where I probably should. Compare your times to a top 10 drivers time and see where you stack up. My guess is most A+drivers fall within 1 second no matter the combo. A solid "A" is around 1.5-2 off the pace, and an A/B driver around 2-2.5 off. Just my observations. I would just race and enjoy the battle no matter where they are on track. Some are dirty, but imo most at that rating range, many are clean and looking for good racing.

 

[Bloodytears]

Everyone seems to associate Dr rating with progress, but what I have noticed is that it's a measure of where you stack up against the competition.

It is indeed progress, because behind this are points you gain from qualification position and minor from overall performance. GT web site and ingame profile actually have a bar for DR rank, and you not simply jump between groups, but loosing and gaining points. Plus gaps on greed can be really that short, like one second between first and last place, here the room where you can make progress.

On a funny note, personally feel like this A is a great motivation, because I'm not gonna loose my face with that status in lobby with B drivers.

 

[llNovall]

It is indeed progress, because behind this are points you gain from qualification position and minor from overall performance. GT web site and ingame profile actually have a bar for DR rank, and you not simply jump between groups, but loosing and gaining points. Plus gaps on greed can be really that short, like one second between first and last place, here the room where you can make progress.

On a funny note, personally feel like this A is a great motivation, because I'm not gonna loose my face with that status in lobby with B drivers.

Fully aware of of Kudosprime, and how the points stack up. What I'm saying, is after a while, you go up, and back down, back up, and back down in scored points which after a while is where you settle in. This point range eventually becomes your ceiling. It will fluctuate as I said, but for the most part, this is where you would stack up against everyone else. The fastest of the fast will be at that 75k mark. There is a huge difference in pace among an A+driver at just over 50k and one of these top ten guys near the top. Dr is nothing more than a measurement.

 

[Spec-ECU]

So it's been just over a month since I graduated, and I've done 12 days of Daily Races since. Despite some bad races, I managed to keep my rating in A like I hoped to. Have to admit, the first few days were tense driving for me though, cause I really, really didn't want to see that A switch back to B.

I mellowed out not long after though and got back to driving like I normally do, and my focus shifted actually. It's no longer about continuing to see that 'A' rating for myself, but more about building up my driver points. It added another dimension to me when doing the Daily Races. Getting the wins or podiums became less of a priority compared to building up my points tally, or simply maximizing the points haul when I find myself in a bad race. Sometimes my points haul from a race can be in the hundreds, sometimes it's just in the tens. But I enjoy it nonetheless cause it feels like I'm racing for the long haul and not just the immediate win or podium.

 

[llNovall]

So it's been just over a month since I graduated, and I've done 12 days of Daily Races since. Despite some bad races, I managed to keep my rating in A like I hoped to. Have to admit, the first few days were tense driving for me though, cause I really, really didn't want to see that A switch back to B.

I mellowed out not long after though and got back to driving like I normally do, and my focus shifted actually. It's no longer about continuing to see that 'A' rating for myself, but more about building up my driver points. It added another dimension to me when doing the Daily Races. Getting the wins or podiums became less of a priority compared to building up my points tally, or simply maximizing the points haul when I find myself in a bad race. Sometimes my points haul from a race can be in the hundreds, sometimes it's just in the tens. But I enjoy it nonetheless cause it feels like I'm racing for the long haul and not just the immediate win or podium.

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And to add to this, I had a race that I started 12th against a heavy field of A and A+drivers at Interlagos. I finished 9th, and hauled in over 800 points just for those 3 positions. On the other hand, I have win races against fields of B and C drivers just to break even or barely gain points. Strength of field is certainly a factor. Focus on a good race and simply to gain positions. Also, not sure if this has been proven for sure, but my observations alone seem to have confirmed it for me, but look at your car number at the beginning of a race, and shoot to achieve or surpass that number as your finishing placement. If you do, your almost guaranteed to gain points regardless of strength of field. My car number was 9 for the race mentioned above, and achieving that place against that tough field yielded the expected points. Check it out.

 

[Spec-ECU]

Also, not sure if this has been proven for sure, but my observations alone seem to have confirmed it for me, but look at your car number at the beginning of a race, and shoot to achieve or surpass that number as your finishing placement. If you do, your almost guaranteed to gain points regardless of strength of field. My car number was 9 for the race mentioned above, and achieving that place against that tough field yielded the expected points. Check it out.

I remember seeing or reading about that when I first started playing GTS, so I've been mindful of that too. So now during the warmups, I take a quick peek at my designated race number and use that more as a goalpost if I can't take a podium or a win.

 

[Veinz]

I’m convinced nobody actually has fun with this game. Certainly not me, with only ten wins to show for over 400 races logged. I think I was just in denial, thinking I was enjoying GT.

I have only like 30 wins from 230ish races and I still have fun. Winning is nice but the battles with other players are the most rewarding.

 

[llNovall]

I have only like 30 wins from 230ish races and I still have fun. Winning is nice but the battles with other players are the most rewarding.

Try 13 wins over 456 races and I'm at an A, and almost made it to A+ a while back. Im with you, all about the battles, good clean, hard fought battles for 9th is better than some runaway wins.

 

[Bloodytears]

And to add to this, I had a race that I started 12th against a heavy field of A and A+drivers at Interlagos. I finished 9th, and hauled in over 800 points just for those 3 positions. On the other hand, I have win races against fields of B and C drivers just to break even or barely gain points. Strength of field is certainly a factor. Focus on a good race and simply to gain positions. Also, not sure if this has been proven for sure, but my observations alone seem to have confirmed it for me, but look at your car number at the beginning of a race, and shoot to achieve or surpass that number as your finishing placement. If you do, your almost guaranteed to gain points regardless of strength of field. My car number was 9 for the race mentioned above, and achieving that place against that tough field yielded the expected points. Check it out.

Does that means that your number in race actually never will be less than your start position? I'm always pay attention how game "insults" me with number one in this tricky way.

 

[Spec-ECU]

Does that means that your number in race actually never will be less than your start position? I'm always pay attention how game "insults" me with number one in this tricky way.

I've had my race number for a race be lower than my starting position. I wonder if the assigned race number has to do with your driver points compared to the rest of the grid you're lining up with.

 

[breeminator]

Also, not sure if this has been proven for sure, but my observations alone seem to have confirmed it for me, but look at your car number at the beginning of a race, and shoot to achieve or surpass that number as your finishing placement. If you do, your almost guaranteed to gain points regardless of strength of field. My car number was 9 for the race mentioned above, and achieving that place against that tough field yielded the expected points. Check it out.

That isn't how it works, there is a thread somewhere on here that covers it in detail.

Suppose, for example, you are driver 20 in a 20 driver lobby, and your DR is 30,000. Suppose it is a very tight spread, so driver 19 has DR 30,001, driver 18 has DR 30,002, etc. You will not gain DR by finishing 19th, you would lose a lot of DR by finishing 19th in that field. You would basically need to finish in the top half of the field to gain DR.

Also note that the driver number doesn't work when there are drivers in the lobby with DR <10k, as it sorts alphabetically, so it sees DR 9,000 as a higher rating than 75,000.

 

[llNovall]

That isn't how it works, there is a thread somewhere on here that covers it in detail.

Suppose, for example, you are driver 20 in a 20 driver lobby, and your DR is 30,000. Suppose it is a very tight spread, so driver 19 has DR 30,001, driver 18 has DR 30,002, etc. You will not gain DR by finishing 19th, you would lose a lot of DR by finishing 19th in that field. You would basically need to finish in the top half of the field to gain DR.

Also note that the driver number doesn't work when there are drivers in the lobby with DR <10k, as it sorts alphabetically, so it sees DR 9,000 as a higher rating than 75,000.

I'm sure there are more details in how the system works, but as mentioned in my post, my observations regarding this have been consistent for "me". If I achieve or gain positions greater than my car number, most times my points increase, sometimes more than others depending on strength of field. Not saying that's how it works, but what I strive to achieve or pass for each race.

 

[Bloodytears]

Also note that the driver number doesn't work when there are drivers in the lobby with DR <10k, as it sorts alphabetically, so it sees DR 9,000 as a higher rating than 75,000.

So everything it does, makes participants DR rating equal. If you join multiply B races in a row, having S, you'll basically downgrade to B in no time? Course if only not win them all and gain insignificant increase. This makes sense, but also means that joining Sport races without qualification times is unsafe for ratings?

 

[breeminator]

So everything it does, makes participants DR rating equal. If you join multiply B races in a row, having S, you'll basically downgrade to B in no time? Course if only not win them all and gain insignificant increase. This makes sense, but also means that joining Sport races without qualification times is unsafe for ratings?

Yes, it doesn't use positions gained in calculating the change in DR, only the final positions, and everyone's ratings. If you are an A+ driver, then the game shouldn't match you against B drivers, but if it does match you against an entire field of B drivers, you may well need to finish 1st to avoid losing DR. Starting without a qualification time obviously won't be helpful for finishing 1st.

Just to be 100% clear, the issue I mentioned with drivers below 10k DR is ONLY for the driver numbers in the lobby, that are shown on the cars. It doesn't affect matchmaking, nor does it affect the DR calculations, those both correctly handle driver ratings below 10k.

 

[Pigems]

Your door number is based on your DR score vs others DR score in any room, but, they spell the number out and rank them alphabetically so it gets messed up at times and isn’t a true reflection of the DR scores in the room. @Sven Jurgens is the expert on this stuff, maybe he can pop by and explain it better.

 

[Illum_Concept]

Your door number is based on your DR score vs others DR score in any room, but, they spell the number out and rank them alphabetically so it gets messed up at times and isn’t a true reflection of the DR scores in the room. @Sven Jurgens is the expert on this stuff, maybe he can pop by and explain it better.

Hey Pigems, do you actually mean spell it out with letters, then rank alphabetically? On that basis, FIFTEEN THOUSAND would come before FIFTY THOUSAND and NINE THOUSAND and SEVENTY THOUSAND, etc. (just picking a few random numbers).

Or do you mean they sort it numerically but by first digit, then second digit, then third digit, etc. This would explain why it doesn't work in a room with both +-10k ratings. The order from the example above would then be:

9-0-0-0
7-0-0-0-0
5-0-0-0-0
1-5-0-0-0

 

[Pigems]

Hey Pigems, do you actually mean spell it out with letters, then rank alphabetically? On that basis, FIFTEEN THOUSAND would come before FIFTY THOUSAND and NINE THOUSAND and SEVENTY THOUSAND, etc. (just picking a few random numbers).

Or do you mean they sort it numerically but by first digit, then second digit, then third digit, etc. This would explain why it doesn't work in a room with both +-10k ratings. The order from the example above would then be:

9-0-0-0
7-0-0-0-0
5-0-0-0-0
1-5-0-0-0

Yes sir, that’s exactly what I mean, alphabetically. It’s why sometimes a DR D driver will get a higher door # than A/B drivers and screw up the order.

 

[Sven Jurgens]

Hey Pigems, do you actually mean spell it out with letters, then rank alphabetically? On that basis, FIFTEEN THOUSAND would come before FIFTY THOUSAND and NINE THOUSAND and SEVENTY THOUSAND, etc. (just picking a few random numbers).

Or do you mean they sort it numerically but by first digit, then second digit, then third digit, etc. This would explain why it doesn't work in a room with both +-10k ratings. The order from the example above would then be:

9-0-0-0
7-0-0-0-0
5-0-0-0-0
1-5-0-0-0

Yep exactly like that

9
80
700
6000
50000
40000

I'm not quite sure what happens with

9
90

Normally the shorter 'phrase' comes before the longer and since it's reversed 90 should have a lower door number than 9.

The order doesn't mean much though. From DR.B and up it all works as intended yet DR is so messed up with resets, alt accounts. different experience per track / car combo, door number means little for predicting where you should finish.

 

[Spec-ECU]

Numbers arranged alphabetically. wtf.

 

[JEverettL]

Try 13 wins over 456 races and I'm at an A, and almost made it to A+ a while back. Im with you, all about the battles, good clean, hard fought battles for 9th is better than some runaway wins.

This is exactly it for me too. I finally graduated away from the gents on cell block "D" and moved up through "C" and currently at the very bottom end of "B". Scored almost 6000 points in this weeks Daily Race B with the Skyline. Moving into B put a quick end to my points heist though. All that to say, the close battles with other clean drivers is a blast.

 

[O604]

This is exactly it for me too. I finally graduated away from the gents on cell block "D" and moved up through "C" and currently at the very bottom end of "B". Scored almost 6000 points in this weeks Daily Race B with the Skyline. Moving into B put a quick end to my points heist though. All that to say, the close battles with other clean drivers is a blast.

Cell block D.

I miss carefree days of cell block D.

 

[rono_thomas]

You could always come and do some league racing with Adrenaline Racing Community thus protecting the hallowed DR and SR and getting some fun and competitive racing, win win

 

[Spec-ECU]

You could always come and do some league racing with Adrenaline Racing Community thus protecting the hallowed DR and SR and getting some fun and competitive racing, win win

Yeah, I really should venture into to the Lobbies.

 

[Pigems]

Yeah, I really should venture into to the Lobbies.

I run a Saturday night lobby where we do two runs of each of that weeks daily races and then 3 fun Bonus races at the end. It’s just a fun thing so we don’t keep track or scores week to week, but we always have clean and fun races, you’re welcome to join us any week. There is a link to the thread for it in the bottom of my posts.

 

[Spec-ECU]

I run a Saturday night lobby where we do two runs of each of that weeks daily races and then 3 fun Bonus races at the end. It’s just a fun thing so we don’t keep track or scores week to week, but we always have clean and fun races, you’re welcome to join us any week. There is a link to the thread for it in the bottom of my posts.

Step aside.....CANNONBAAAALLLLLL!

 

[Bloodytears]

Yeah, I really should venture into to the Lobbies.

See ya around. Actually lobbies for me more entertaining. Usually I can find the track I want, with desired group and with tire wear and fuel, unlike in sport mode, where most of the times race C isn't meeting my mood.

And those races without BOP, just pure adrenaline and excitement, making cars really shine on performance.

Also can't tell that there are a lot of dirty drivers nowadays. Competition is strong. Sometimes could end in a lobby with all E drivers that driving as fast as A group, and you never ready for it.