First Bugatti Veyron crash
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This is the part that is most disturbing and drives me up a wall:
If you are going to drive a world-class supercar, you have to know what you are driving and take care of it.
I don't want to wish injury or severe punishment on the driver, but I am sad that the driver came out unscathed while the car was battered. The car is a true samaritan, giving itself to save an undeserving driver. I'm sure the driver will probably be faced with crazy compensation charges, which does make me feel a little better.
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If you are going to drive a world-class supercar, you have to know what you are driving and take care of it.
I don't want to wish injury or severe punishment on the driver, but I am sad that the driver came out unscathed while the car was battered. The car is a true samaritan, giving itself to save an undeserving driver. I'm sure the driver will probably be faced with crazy compensation charges, which does make me feel a little better.
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...They actually talked about this on my local news this evening. I thought it was kinda funny to be honest, especially when the car was just a $40K rental. They were describing it as "The World's Most Expensive Automotive Insurance Claim," and although I have no idea it was true, in Michigan that will get a lot of attention.
The crash didn't look that bad, but they certainly did screw up a one-of-a-kind sports car... Well, one-of-500 (thus far) sportscar...
The crash didn't look that bad, but they certainly did screw up a one-of-a-kind sports car... Well, one-of-500 (thus far) sportscar...
For some time today this was the most visited news story on BBC's website, and it remains the most e-mailed, though it's dropped to the third most popular.
I'm surprised at American news agencies' lack of interest in the story.
Details are emerging - a couple of sources are calling the vehicle's owner a 41yo UK businessman called Kumar Soni, whose younger brother was at the helm when the accident happened. Witnesses are saying the two were fighting at the scene. Claims have also been made of ~$2m paid for an 'early' delivery for this particular Veyron.
No idea whether or not it was a rental - this hasn't been corroborated yet. Perhaps the only truly reliable source, BBC, has stayed away from any of these details, mentioning only the pregnant woman and the trees. Good thing it happened outside of Arabia, or else details would be nonexistent.
An airline crash in Indonesia and a vice presidential chief of staff convicted federally and the Veyron tops the news. We always knew it was that good.
I'm surprised at American news agencies' lack of interest in the story.
Details are emerging - a couple of sources are calling the vehicle's owner a 41yo UK businessman called Kumar Soni, whose younger brother was at the helm when the accident happened. Witnesses are saying the two were fighting at the scene. Claims have also been made of ~$2m paid for an 'early' delivery for this particular Veyron.
No idea whether or not it was a rental - this hasn't been corroborated yet. Perhaps the only truly reliable source, BBC, has stayed away from any of these details, mentioning only the pregnant woman and the trees. Good thing it happened outside of Arabia, or else details would be nonexistent.
An airline crash in Indonesia and a vice presidential chief of staff convicted federally and the Veyron tops the news. We always knew it was that good.
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Its funny not to see it split in half, or scattered out among a quarter mile of roadway by a disgruntled electronics employee, or any combination of the two. Infact, that looks like it could have happened at 30MPH for chrissakes. What in hell does the Veyron have for a front bumper? Depleted uranium?
@ speedster502: Why complain about the Bugatti having one purpose? Its a well known fact that the 'Egg hates doing anything that isn't straight. The Bugatti at least handled.
And this is coming from someone who does hate the Veyron, as it did kidnap my brother (not so bad) and murder my entire family (a little more bad). Had the EB110 not come to save the day, I wouldn't be here.
@ speedster502: Why complain about the Bugatti having one purpose? Its a well known fact that the 'Egg hates doing anything that isn't straight. The Bugatti at least handled.
And this is coming from someone who does hate the Veyron, as it did kidnap my brother (not so bad) and murder my entire family (a little more bad). Had the EB110 not come to save the day, I wouldn't be here.
All sources say the vehicle was traveling ~100mph:
"The £830,000 supercar, which Times columnist Jeremy Clarkson memorably described last year as being as fast as a Hawker Hurricane was travelling in the wet at speeds in the region of 100mph along a 40mph stretch of the B375 near Chertsey, Surrey when the driver lost control and collided with a Vauxhall Astra before ploughing into a 3ft bank." - The Times (UK)
"THE world's most expensive and fastest street-legal car, worth £840,000, may have to written off after a 100mph crash." - The Croydon Guardian (UK)
"A witness said the businessman - believed to be Kumar Soni of Shepperton, Surrey - yelled at his younger brother after the 100mph crash." - The Mirror (UK)
"A police source told the Sun it was thought the Veyron which is capable of 253mph (its been clocked at 400km/h) was doing around 100mph when it slewed out of control." - Sunday Times (South Africa)
"It is understood that the hand-crafted Veyron - which has a top speed in excess of 250mph - went out of control while doing about 100mph." - 24dash.com (UK)
"A police source said it was thought the Veyron capable of 253mph was doing around 100mph when it slewed out of control." - The Sun (UK)
Seems like it held up pretty well, actually, considering those speeds.
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Oh, woops. Must've read that it was in a 40 mph zone and thought that's how fast it was going.
I guess that reinforces the fact that the car is fast, luxurious and safe. I wonder how it would stack up to a Volvo? Of course, 1.6 million is paid for each one, owners deserve the best in these three aspects.
I guess that reinforces the fact that the car is fast, luxurious and safe. I wonder how it would stack up to a Volvo? Of course, 1.6 million is paid for each one, owners deserve the best in these three aspects.
Sydney Morning Herald is reporting the driver was Ajay Soni, brother of Kumar Soni - owner of the car.
http://www.smh.com.au/news/unusual-...supercar-bingle/2007/03/08/1173166862478.html
http://www.smh.com.au/news/unusual-...supercar-bingle/2007/03/08/1173166862478.html
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Aren't you on about that Ferrari Enzo crash that happened in America as that spilt in to two and worked for a electronics company and scattered down a quater mile of roadway.
Thats not what I heard. I heard that the Koenigsegg has very good handling. Especially as it is the quickest around the Topgear test track with a 1.17.6 lap time, compare that with the old Koenigsegg which lapped it at a 1.23.9. And to tell the truth I have not ever read a review on the Bugatti saying the handling is the best , they are always saying about it's speed. Oh and my next door neighbour was eaten by a Bugatti engineer they are very hungary people you know.
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In regards to the speed of the crash, keep in mind that even if the car was travelling at 100mph at the time control was lost, it does not mean the actual speed of impact was 100mph.
Without the full accident report that will be difficult to say exactly what the speed was (and keep in mind that media will always use the most 'newsworthy' speed), but its unlikely to have been 100mph. remember that most peoples natural reaction to a loss of control is to slam the brakes on. In this case that may have made the situation worse in terms of control, but would also have reduced the final speed.
The first thing that came to mind when I read this one was Rowan Atkinson's crash from 1999.
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/entertainment/485692.stm
I'm also rather surprised to hear that you have not heard good things about the Veyron's handling, while it is not the 'best handling car in the world', every piece I have seen and read on the car (Top Gear, EVO, Autocar, CAR) have all commented on how surprisingly good the car handles. All of these pieces made extensive comments on all aspects of the car.
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Without the full accident report that will be difficult to say exactly what the speed was (and keep in mind that media will always use the most 'newsworthy' speed), but its unlikely to have been 100mph. remember that most peoples natural reaction to a loss of control is to slam the brakes on. In this case that may have made the situation worse in terms of control, but would also have reduced the final speed.
The first thing that came to mind when I read this one was Rowan Atkinson's crash from 1999.
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/entertainment/485692.stm
And did you actually see the lap and just how difficult to control the 'egg was, be in no doubt its a fast car, but its also a trick bugger to drive, remember that The Stig crashed the pre 'Top Gear wing' Koenigsegg.
I'm also rather surprised to hear that you have not heard good things about the Veyron's handling, while it is not the 'best handling car in the world', every piece I have seen and read on the car (Top Gear, EVO, Autocar, CAR) have all commented on how surprisingly good the car handles. All of these pieces made extensive comments on all aspects of the car.
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This sheds a bit more light:
http://www.mailonsunday.co.uk/pages...ews.html?in_article_id=440530&in_page_id=1770
http://www.mailonsunday.co.uk/pages...ews.html?in_article_id=440530&in_page_id=1770
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Nice find 👍
Just goes to show, just because it's 'street legal' doesn't make it a road car. The Veyron really doesn't have much of a place on the streets. Still, if you're stupid enough to floor it in the rain, then you're probably going to find yourself acquainted with the local shrubbery sooner than you expect... only had the car a wekk? OUCHY!
Just goes to show, just because it's 'street legal' doesn't make it a road car. The Veyron really doesn't have much of a place on the streets. Still, if you're stupid enough to floor it in the rain, then you're probably going to find yourself acquainted with the local shrubbery sooner than you expect... only had the car a wekk? OUCHY!
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I'm sure its more than , its AWD so I would think there would be a diff powering the front wheels , also some suspension damage , wheel ,fenders bonnet , airbag , steering wheel cover (I'm sure airbag poped out) , head lights ..... in a noraml car (BMW or Merc) that would cost around 10k $ to 15k $ easliy and thats without a new diff , now think veyron parts
but then if I was an owner of a Veyron (which means I have allot of money) then I woudn't go through insurance if they are going to write off , I would just send it back to bugatti for them to rebulid the front end
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Thing is, would the car ever really be the same again..... With such a precision piece of kit the slight imbalance in any component is going to have a negative effect after hitting something the shock waves are going to travel right to the rear of the car through the engine.
I bet even if Bugatti could rebuild it they would say that the car can no longer be safe for top speed runs unless they replace every nut and bolt in it!
Also if I was that rich, I wouldn't want a fixed up Veyron back.... I wouldn't believe it would be of the same quality, it would be sub standard (with welds and stuff done inside etc).. I would claim the insurance, get back maybe half of what its worth (sadly) and buy another! but that is for people with too much money...
Shouldn't have crashed it in the first place!
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I bet even if Bugatti could rebuild it they would say that the car can no longer be safe for top speed runs unless they replace every nut and bolt in it!
Also if I was that rich, I wouldn't want a fixed up Veyron back.... I wouldn't believe it would be of the same quality, it would be sub standard (with welds and stuff done inside etc).. I would claim the insurance, get back maybe half of what its worth (sadly) and buy another! but that is for people with too much money...
Shouldn't have crashed it in the first place!
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I rescind my earlier comments at the beginning of this thread.
If that article is true, that guy does not deserve to be behind the wheel of any car.
Flying by people at 100mph (2.5 times the speed limit) in a heavy rainstorm?!?! How could you possibly, at 39 years old, be not only inconsiderate to other drivers (note the motorist whose windshield was suddenly sprayed) but so completely foolish to risk damaging a million-dollar supercar that isn't even yours?!?!
I have flown by people too, I admit.. but I rarely pass other drivers going 20mph more than them; and only on a clear day with few cars do I pass people at that speed. That is the riskiest driving I do around other people. So I cannot fathom what compelled this guy to drive so erratically. I hope he gets severe jail time because he easily could have killed many people, and he nearly killed four (himself, passenger, pregant lady, and her baby).
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That proves that daddy have to stop giving toys to their babies!!
That proves that daddy have to stop giving toys to their babies!!
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I did watch the lap as I am a complete Topgear fanatic. I watch the show and am on subscription for the magazine. And I do know that he crashed. And yes Topgear magazine did say it handled "well" I said that it isn't the Best Handling Car ever.
Look personally I do not like the Bugatti Veryon simple. I may have got my facts wrong in some places and contradicted my self before but what I cannot understand is the fact that you do not seem to respect my own opinion. Personally I expected that the moderators that have posted about my comments would have been more appreciative about it being my opinion.
Put together all of you that have commented on my remarks have made me a very unhappy bunny.
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I don't believe that anyone here (other than yourself) claimed the Veyron was the 'best handling car ever', and I was simply replying to the comments you posted on the car. You said...
...and...
...both of which I personally disagree with, as the reviews of the car I have read have been complementary of the handling and have focused on many aspects of the car, not just speed. I also cited the publications these reviews/articles appeared in.
You see part of the purpose of a forum is to allow people to discuss matters of this nature (and in doing so will often disagree with each other) so I must confess I find this comment a bit strange...
..as nothing in my post is disrespectful in any way. I don't agree with you, but its rather a large leap to go from that to disrespect. I have to honestly say that you do seem to be being a bit sensitive about this particular subject, and if some one disagrees with you it does not automatically mean that a lack of respect is being shown. Hell, I disagree with my dad all the time, yet I have nothing but respect for him.
I do also have to point out that you seem to be mixing statements of fact with opinion here, saying...
...is not opinion, it a statement of fact (stating that no reviews you had read had said the cars handling was the best).
However saying something like "I think its an ugly looking bugger" is an opinion.
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Let me put this simpler. Look I don't like the Bugatti Veryon. I am a very sensitive kind of guy, I also believe in my own opinion very strongly. When I said
I never said the comment was aimed neccesarily at you did I? Also people don't seem to respect what I believe and is seeming to me saying how wrong I am, which is not respecting my own opinion. When I orginally said If I could post my opinion would I get murdered and insulted, liveforspeed said no-one would, well thats not what has happened so far. I would prefer it if people could leave my opinion alone now and stop what seems to be picking on me because I am not enjoying this at all really all I have had from this ever since I said my opinion is grief.
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How do you form opinions?
Personally I form them from information, modifying as new information arises.
Nope - people are pointing out to you areas where your reasons for having your opinion may be in error.
Nobody has insulted you and, right now, you're still alive.
If your opinions are so weakly-founded that it upsets you when people ask questions of it, it's not a good sign - and an indicator that you probably ought not to post your opinions.
The opinion "I don't like the Bugatti Veyron" is fine.
The opinion "I don't like the Bugatti Veyron because it's expensive" is foolish. It's less expensive than, say, a helicopter.
The opinion "I don't like the Bugatti Veyron because it makes a loss for the company" is also foolish. The whole Ford company hasn't turned a profit in years - do you not like ALL Fords?
Now, you posted a list of reasons behind your opinion. Many of them are erroneous and people are pointing out to you why this is. This doesn't mean that your opinion is wrong, but that the reasons you've put to back it up are. As I asked at the start, how do you form opinions? I form them from information I have and modify them according to new information - posters in this thread are simply supplying you with new information.
Remember, "I don't like the Bugatti Veyron" is still fine, as opinions go.
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Speedster502 I'm going to have to agree with Famine, no one has insulted or attacked you, or directly questioned your opinion of not liking the Veyron. People have however seen your reasons for not liking it, and they are flawed and full of false and/or contradictory information. Some of your reasons for not liking the Veyron should go against you liking other cars, like the Koenigseggs. If you said "I don't like the Veyron because it's ugly, I'm not interested in the idea of a luxury supercar and imo as far as cars go, it's overpriced", that would be fine. but the reasons you gave by definition mean there can't be that many cars in the world you do like if you stuck to them. If you don't ever want to find out new information from other people, an internet forum is for you. Persoanlly, if I had a stron opinion on something and my reasoning behind it was flawed, I'd preffer to know it was and why.
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That's a dangerous combination if I ever saw one.
I would recommend taking Famine's advice and re-evaluating not only how you form opinions, but why you feel people make personal attacks on you by disagreeing with your logic.
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You used the word 'you' in a direct reply to my post (you even quoted me), how is that not aimed at me? Who was it aimed at?
Famine and others have already covered this, in addition to the comments I have already made, but I do have to add the following. If 'anyone' posts information here at GT Planet that I know to be incorrect, I will reply with the correct information, equally if 'anyone' posts an opinion I agree with I will reply in a like manner and if 'anyone' posts an opinion I happen to disagree with then I will state as much and outline my own opinion.
None of this is disrespectful in any way, we are simply engaging in discussions on subjects we are interested in.
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