FITT: "British Invasion" Congrats to - praiano63, DolHaus, Motor City Hami, Otaliema

Discussion in 'GT6 Tuning' started by Bowtie-muscle, Oct 29, 2014.

  1. Otaliema

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    I went back and played with the tvr a bit and found cornering speed with a really light car, so I think your right that it has odd grip values. seems like it's grip was set up for min weight and it is not scaling correctly when ballast or weight is added to the car. but the car was so under powered I couldn't manage any decent lap times.
    I think someone at PD has a thing for Lotus as they all handle really well. -or- one of the more experienced programmers drew the Lotus card and that's why they are all good.
     
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  2. DolHaus

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    There are small performance margins to be found over stock but its not much whereas the lotus can easily drop 2 seconds once tuned, its a shame it worked out like that because they were so close in initial testing.
    Oddly though, if you put SRF on the TVR its amazingly fast, changes the car completely
     
  3. xande1959

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    it seems to receive insurance money:odd:
     
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  4. Otaliema

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    yeah the tail is so unstable that SRF is working overtime and increasing your grip 100% of the time not just some of the time like with most cars so it blasts around the track.
    Plus TVR is a luxury race car for the road so it does it well with soft tires. Not sure if it still holds true or not but back in 1.03-1.08 SRF was basilcy like slapping two tire levels up on your car.
     
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  5. Otaliema

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    Sorry for the double post but can't help my self on this one.
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    mind the hills in the Espirit looks like the engine don't like working too hard.
     
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  6. DolHaus

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    Apparently this was a far too common problem with the Esprit, that and being an absolute b:censored:h in the rain. Very true to Lotus's racing heritage in a way
     
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  7. macdog54

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    All cars tested with DS3 controller and auto and twenty laps each, I am not a tuner so the reviews don't go into too much depth and are just my thoughts of the cars and my driving experience.

    Shaunm80
    Elise Type 72
    51.554
    8
    A very easy drive, good traction , just power on and go,very hard to loose the rear, just a little more turn in for the first and last corners would make all the difference.




    Bowtie Mucle
    Vauxhall VX 220 '00'
    51.159.
    9

    A really good drive, has good turn in through the corners, well planted and stable throughout the track and consistent, well done.



    DaBomm
    MG TF160 '03
    51.863
    8

    Overall I liked the car but I just couldn't get consistent laps , there's another half second plus if I could string it all together, the rear is quite slippery but it's a big improvement on the stock car.




    Xande
    Elise Type 72
    51.307
    8
    Safe, stable and so much grip , even when driving on the edge you know that the rear is not going to come around.



    ImToLegitToQuit
    MG TF160
    51.906
    8
    An enjoyable drive , good controllable grip , a little bit more rotation would make all the difference.




    787bcgr
    Elise Type 72
    51.717
    7
    The first four laps were 'what have I got myself into ' it really took a lot of concentration to drive without the rear coming around , all actions had to be perfect to drive at a decent pace,after twenty laps I'd sorta worked it out but definitely not my sort of driving style , so I moved the ballast to -16 to give a 42:58 front/rear distribution and for me it made all the difference, I dropped half a second within three laps.


    Oteliema
    Elise Type 72
    51.312
    7.5

    It took me around eight laps to work out the braking characteristics of the car which are unlike anything I've driven before, and even then the last corner was a hit and miss most times , in a straight line they are great but any braking while turning causes the rear to slide, getting the corner entry right was the hardest part for me , corner turn in was good and there was plenty of traction for corner exit, for me,reducing the harshness of the brakes would make a more enjoyable drive.



    DolHaus
    Elise Type 72
    51.253
    9
    Good brakes, good turn in, good grip throughout , the only problems I've had is getting the braking for the last corner right, it's not the tune it's me having to adjust my braking style to suit this particular car.
    Overall a very good tune.


    Praiano
    Elise Type 72
    51.071
    9.5

    On the money from the very first lap, no learning the cars characteristics, no nasty surprises just consistent laps one after another , a pleasure to drive... well done.

    MotorCityHami
    Elise Type 72
    51.170
    9

    Good all round tune, in a straight line the brakes had a really good feel to them ,although getting the right pressure for turn three and the last corner without upsetting the rear was my biggest problem, corner rotation and traction on exit were good as well , overall an easy car to drive that's forgiving if you make a mistake.

    Ridox
    Vauxhall VX220
    52.122
    7.5
    Pretty good overall ,quite quick for its 450 pp only,has good turn in through the corners, the brakes do their job well enough, on the negative it doesn't get into top gear and the car tends to slide into some corners.


    Sinof
    Elise Type 72
    51.422
    7.5
    Does everything well, good entry while braking the car stays on its line unlike a few of the other Elise's, could do with a bit more turn in, a very safe car .
     
  8. Otaliema

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    Thank you on the review and the kind DC score given it took you eight laps to get a feel for the car. I am working a revised version of the tune that is much more stable i'll post it once the testing deadline passes.
     
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  9. praiano63

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  10. shaunm80

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    Thanks for the excellent review. Im glad that you liked the car. :)
     
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  11. macdog54

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    My normal braking routine is to give the right stick a little tap to go down a gear then apply pressure to brake, with yours as soon as I touched the brakes it caused the rear to move so I had to be really precise in how I applied braking especially getting the last corner right, let me know when you post the revised tune.
     
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  12. DolHaus

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    Thank you very much for the review, glad you enjoyed the car :tup:
    The last corner seems to be my Achilles heel in this round :lol:
     
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  13. macdog54

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    Your car for its weight was a little underpowered by 7 or so hp compared the others at the same weight although you had more torque .
     
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  14. macdog54

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    The last corner for most of the Elise's was a problem , their brakes seem to put the car off balance while trying to turn and slow down.
     
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  15. praiano63

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    Nice time, thanks for the review. This was my goal building the car, easy and fast. I just hope my Esprit will be more fun... and still fast.
    ><(((((°>°°°°°°°°°°°°°
     
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  16. DolHaus

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    Its a tricky corner, you've got to hit your marks exactly on entry or you run out of braking room going into the right hander and get the car out of shape.
     
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  17. Otaliema

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    yeah on the map it looks like one off the eaisest corners on teh track than you drive it and it's one of the most technical and hardest to get right.
     
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  18. DolHaus

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    I believe its the reason they changed the layout to turn 3, you can carry a lot more speed through the old layout and still go flat out into turn 3 which was fine until cars started getting faster. The chances of running wide and then spearing across the track grew so they slowed turn 3 down to help prevent high speed T-Boning
     
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  19. DaBomm4

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    Tuned with ABS 1, no other aids, DS3

    TVR Tuscan Speed 6 '00
    525 pp
    386 hp @ 6,400 rpm
    343.7 ft-lb @ 5,100 rpm
    920 kg
    Power to Weight 2.38
    Weight Distribution 50/50

    GT Auto
    No Oil Change
    No Body Rigidity
    Wheels: Stock: PDI P814
    Paint Body: Rallye Green Metallic (GM)
    Paint Wheels: Stock

    Parts
    Fully Customizable Suspension
    Racing Brakes
    Fully Customizable Transmission
    Fully Customizable LSD
    Triple-Plate Clutch Kit
    Carbon Drive Shaft
    Sports Exhaust
    Isometric Exhaust Manifold
    Intake Tuning
    Weight Reduction Stage 3
    Carbon Hood
    Window Weight Reduction
    Sports Hard/Medium

    Suspension
    Ride Height 75/75
    Spring Rate 7.5/8
    Dampeners Comp 3/6
    Dampeners Ext 6/5
    Anti-Roll Bars 3/3
    Camber Angle 1.0/2.0
    Toe Angle -0.10/+0.25
    Racing Brakes 4/6

    Transmission
    Initial Final 3.730
    Max Speed 155 (5 click from min)
    First Gear 3.100
    Second Gear 2.350
    Third Gear 1.780
    Fourth Gear 1.380
    Fifth Gear 1.110
    Final Fear 3.730

    LSD 10/15/10

    Power Limiter 94.9%
    Ballast Weight 0
    Ballast Position 0
     
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  20. 787bcgr

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    TVR Tuscan Speed 6 '00
    391hp/920kg/ 525pp/ SM tires
    Reflex Purple
    Standard Size Rays TE37SL
    F/C Suspension
    Standard Brakes
    F/C Transmission
    F/C LSD
    Triple Plate Clutch
    Carban Drive Shaft
    Racing Exhaust
    Isometric Manifold
    Weight Reduction Stage 3
    Carbon Hood ( Body Color )
    Window Weight Reduction
    TUNE:
    Ride Height: 80/75
    Spring Rates: 7.00/ 8.50
    Dampers Compression: 2/6
    Dampers Extension: 6/5
    Roll Bars: 3/2
    Camber: 0/0
    Toe : +0.15/ + 0.05
    Brake Balance: 5/6
    Initial Torque: 8
    Acceleration: 27
    Braking: 10
    Power Limiter: 97.0%
    Transmission: Reset to default, then set final to 5.500, then top speed to Minimum value, then final to 3.650:
    1:2.500
    2:1.825
    3:1.399
    4:1.133
    5:0.960
     
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  21. nijalninja

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    This is my entry

    Lotus Esprit V8 2002 - Laser blue metallic
    Parts list:

    Sports mediums
    Height adjustable fully customisable suspension
    Racing brake kit
    Fully customisable transmission
    Fully customisable LSD
    Triple plate clutch
    Sports Computer
    Semi racing exhaust
    Sports catalytic converter
    Intake tuning
    Stage 3 weight reduction
    Carbon bonnet (body color)
    Window weight reduction
    Rays 57Ultimate standard size rims (Sensitive silver metallic)
    Front Aero

    Settings:

    Suspension:
    RH: 128/128 (front/back)
    SR: 5.30/5.39
    DC: 3/2
    DE: 4/1
    ARB's: 4/4
    CA: 0.5/2.4
    TA: 0.44/0.81
    Brakes: 7/4 (front/back)

    Transmission:
    Max speed: 260 km/h
    Final gear: 3.794
    Individual gear ratios:
    1 - 2.906
    2 - 1.975
    3 - 1.442
    4 - 1.153
    5 - 0.951

    LSD:
    Initial torque: 50
    Acceleration sensitivity: 58
    Braking sensitivity: 32

    Engine:
    Power limiter: 100%

    Body:
    Ballast weight: 52 kg
    Ballast position: - 50%

    Driving aids:
    ABS: 1
    Traction control: 0
    (No other aids)

    Stats:
    525pp
    442 bhp
    47 kgfm
    1182 kg
    weight ratio (front to back): 48:52
    Displacement: 3506 cc
    MR Drivetrain
    Power to weight ratio: 2.67 kg/bhp

    A little bit about the car:
    This car has a had a lot of time spent on it, and I am really happy with how it turned out, but there are some things which the testers should really know: It has a fairly low amount of torque because having too much cause the car to lose traction on corner exit, and the LSD also helps this. Drive it carefully if you use a DS3, but you can be pretty violent with throttle control. It has a very distinct rhythm on the track, and is really easy to drive once you find this rhythm. The general feeling of the car should be relatively in control, but take care not to overestimate it.
     
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  22. xande1959

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    thanks for this good performance testing toy.
     
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  23. xande1959

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    TVR TUSCAN SPEED 6 '00
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    Specifications
    Performance Points:
    525 PP
    Max. Power:
    417 HP
    Weight:
    1039 kg
    Weight Distribution (F/R):
    5050 / -4950
    Displacement:
    3996 cc
    Max. Torque:
    350 ft-lb
    Drivetrain:
    FR
    Game Version:
    1.13
    Controller Type:
    Steering Wheel
    Tires
    Tires (Front):
    Sports: Medium
    Tires (Rear):
    Sports: Medium
    Parts & Modifications
    Wheel Model:
    RAYS 57Xtreme
    Suspension Kit:
    Height-Adjustable, Fully Customizable Suspension
    Transmission:
    Fully-Customizable Transmission
    Clutch:
    Triple-Plate Clutch Kit
    Exhaust:
    Semi-Racing Exhaust
    Weight Reduction:
    Stage 1
    Other Parts:
    • Racing Brake Kit
    • Carbon Fiber Driveshaft
    • Fully-Customizable Mechanical Limited-Slip Differential
    • Intake Tuning
    • Isometric Exhaust Manifold
    • Catalytic Converter: Sports
    Suspension
    Ride Height (F/R):
    69 / 87
    Spring Rate (F/R):
    7.18 / 7.08
    Dampers - Comp. (F/R):
    8 / 7
    Dampers - Ext. (F/R):
    7 / 6
    Anti-Roll Bars (F/R):
    2 / 4
    Camber Angle (F/R):
    1.6 / 1.8
    Toe Angle (F/R):
    -0.06 / 0.36
    Brake Balance (F/R):
    5 / 8
    Transmission
    Max. Speed:
    200 kph
    1st Gear:
    5168
    2nd Gear:
    3548
    3rd Gear:
    2597
    4th Gear:
    2005
    5th Gear:
    1633
    Final Gear:
    2500
    Special Instructions:
    RESET / 3.000 / 200 KM/h / 1º2ª3ª4ª5ª / FINAL GEAR 2.500
    Drivetrain
    Initial Torque (F/R):
    00 / 08
    Accel. Sensitivity (F/R):
    00 / 12
    Braking Sensitivity (F/R):
    00 / 30
    Power
    Power Limiter:
    96.3%
    Body
    Ballast Weight:
    16 kg
    Ballast Position:
    -30%
    Driving Aids
    Traction Control:
    00
    ABS Level:
    01
    [​IMG]
     
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  24. shaunm80

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    Excellent! A load more Tuscans have come out to play! My car no longer feels alone :)
     
  25. Otaliema

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    Looks like the lotus is the odd man out this time
     
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  26. DolHaus

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    I look forward to testing these Tuscans and seeing if anyone else could figure the car out :tup:
     
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  27. DaBomm4

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    After a little more testing and a lot of repairing (vacuum not car) I have finished my tune for the Tuscan.

    This might just be the reason I had to replace a belt for the second time in a couple months. It cannot spin if the bearings are full of hair. image.jpg
     
  28. Bowtie-muscle

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    Yeah, I am having problems with my mouse, likes to multy click, making me crazy.
    Glad you liked it, thanks for testing and for the good time.:tup:
    I have to admit I am surprised by all the TVRs, thought the Lotus would be the more popular car. Glad to see it will be a mixed field.
    @Otaliema was just curious as to which state, was not looking for a specific location but it's ok. Just spent two days in frigid Pa., but fun time.

    I am back now and will try and get the tunes all linked.
     
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  29. Otaliema

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    I know, but i made it a rule that the must I will provide is my region, yo make things simpler on me. But I am no place near PA not quite as humid or cold thankfully. Welcome back looking forward to your reviews on the street class too.
     
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  30. DolHaus

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    FITT Street Sports Car Class
    Lotus Esprit V8 '02
    Project: Slippery when wet

    Wheel / Joypad: PS3 controller
    Power: 418 BHP @ 6000 Rpm / 51.0 kgfm @ 5900 Rpm
    Weight: 1130 kg
    Performance Points: 525 PP
    Wheels: Standard Size
    Fitted parts: Front Aero A
    Tires: SM
    Weight Distribution: 46:54

    Suspension : (Height-Adjustable, Fully-Customisable Suspension)

    Ride Height: Front: 100 Rear: 100
    Spring Rate: Front: 4.26 kg Rear: 6.25 kg
    Dampers (Compression):Front: 3 Rear: 2
    Dampers (Extension): Front: 2 Rear: 3
    Anti-Roll Bars: Front: 6 Rear: 5
    Camber Angle (-): Front: 0.0° Rear: 0.0°
    Toe Angle: Front: 0.15° Rear: 0.04°
    Brakes (Racing): F: 3 R: 3


    Drivetrain: (Fully Customisable Transmission)

    1) Set final to 4.550

    2) Set Max Speed to 124
    3) Set in sequence (5-4-3-2-1)


    1: 3.035

    2: 2.130
    3: 1.615
    4: 1.285
    5: 1.045

    Final: 3.515



    Differential Gear: Fully Customisable Mechanical Limited-Slip Diff​

    Initial Torque: R= 8
    Acceleration Sensitivity: R= 8
    Braking Sensitivity: R= 22

    Clutch & Flywheel:
    Triple-Plate
    Propeller Shaft: Standard


    Power

    Oil Change:
    No
    Power Limiter: 87.1%
    Engine Tuning: Standard
    Computer: Standard
    Exhaust: Standard
    Exhaust Manifold: Standard
    Catalytic Converter: Standard
    Intake Tuning: Standard
    Turbo Kit: Stage: High-RPM
    Nitrous Oxide (N2O): No

    Body

    Body Rigidity Improvement:
    No
    Downforce: F: 0 R: 0
    Weight Reduction: Stage 3
    Bonnet: Carbon
    Windows: Weight Reduction
    Ballast: 0 kg
    Ballast position: 0%
     
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