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[krenkme]

That sounds like fun. If the screenshots I've seen are any indication, there could be a few new RM's available with Spec 2 and this would be a great way to get the jump on tuning the new RM's. In my opinion, the RM's are one of the most underutilized aspects of the game and this would help bring them into focus with a wealth of excellent tunes to go along with them.

What might make the challenge interesting is to have the cars run on two different tracks, RM on one, non-RM on the other. Different tuning requirements, different gearing possibly, could make it a little more challenging for both tuners and drivers.

Another suggestion might be to run the cars at different PP levels, perhaps not a lot, maybe 10 or 20 pp difference between the two, with the race car being the higher of the two preferably. To make them equal would probably mean lowering the RM pp level, which would take the cars further away from their max potential, requiring less tuning ability and less precision. You'll want the cars near their max pp I would think.

This sounds interesting. It would also limit the confusion of what cars can and cannot be used. Strait forward. 👍

 

[XDesperado67]

Your idea sounds more reasonable than mine although how many are RWD .

How about this:

All tuners entered are automatically testers also.

Testers can remain only testers.

I would say that tuners are eligible to test drive as well. Otherwise some won't want to tune if they "have" to test drive as well.

Remember there are combinations of road car/race car that aren't RM's for example '63 Corvette Coupe, BMW M3, Mercedes-Benz 190 E, etc...Would take a little research to find them all and sort pairs that could be competitive.

If you decided to do something like this you could limit road cars to some grade of sports tire while the race cars get racing tires. Also at a guess you could set the PP limit for race cars 25-50 points higher.

Again this is just one possible idea you could use to frame your event. Other ideas might be classic cars and vintage race cars, modern Supercars and DTM cars...lots of possibilities.

As an ES you get to determine such things. Once you have a good idea for the basis of an event then you can start filling in the details. That's when looking at previous shootouts to see how they went and asking for support here can be most productive.

I have several ideas for different events but they aren't the only good ones. Get a little creative and/or look at some part of the game you particularly enjoy then see if there is an interesting way to turn that into an event of some sort.

Hope this helped you out.

 

[Johnnypenso]

Not much happening here lately. Is anyone going to get around to finalizing the rules...seems like all the input is in.

Standardized contest layout Contest Organizers to follow?

A contest outline/review/feedback procedure?

Time to nail this thing down fellas, especially now that Spec 2 with it's new physics is here. I'm sure the tuners are going to be antsy to flex their muscles with the new physics to see what they can do.

 

[XDesperado67]

Not much happening here lately. Is anyone going to get around to finalizing the rules...seems like all the input is in.

Standardized contest layout Contest Organizers to follow?

A contest outline/review/feedback procedure?

Time to nail this thing down fellas, especially now that Spec 2 with it's new physics is here. I'm sure the tuners are going to be antsy to flex their muscles with the new physics to see what they can do.

Sorry life has kept me a bit busy lately. Hopefully I can get the updates made here over the weekend.

Think we have agreed that a standardized format would be a good thing to try and create. Perhaps starting a second thread to post up possible formats in might be a good idea, instead of having them A) take up excessive space here and B) get buried in the multiple pages of posts.

Floor is definitely open for discussion of a contest outline/review/feedback procedure? Just keep in mind we are more of an informal organization than a regulatory body.

 

[TimberW]

Can testers adjust brake bias as it is strictly a preference? The steering wheel friendly brake bias definitely doesn't suit my ds3.

I've got a question brought up, what do you guys think?

 

[XDesperado67]

I've got a question brought up, what do you guys think?

In the past its been everything tested exactly as posted in the tune.
Yes brake bias is a more personal preference, but it can have a major impact on results especially in this shootout.
The call is yours but I would suggest that cars be tested as written so all drivers are testing the exact same tune and dealing with the same issues regarding brakes.

 

[CSLACR]

Yes BB was brought up before, I believe most of us consider BB a staple part of the tune, along with everything else.
I would consider being allowed to change BB the equivalent of allowing testers to alter ride height, as under-over steer is also driver preference.

BTW - Somebody WILL be doing the new touring cars at Spa as a shootout, possibly mixed with RM's, right? (hint)

 

[tris_73]

BTW - Somebody WILL be doing the new touring cars at Spa as a shootout, possibly mixed with RM's, right? (hint)

Sounds like someone just volunteered

 

[XDesperado67]

Yes BB was brought up before, I believe most of us consider BB a staple part of the tune, along with everything else.
I would consider being allowed to change BB the equivalent of allowing testers to alter ride height, as under-over steer is also driver preference.

BTW - Somebody WILL be doing the new touring cars at Spa as a shootout, possibly mixed with RM's, right? (hint)

Sounds like someone just volunteered

Let me know if when you want to be added to the upcoming events list.:tup:👍

Also speaking of upcoming events...DigitalBaka your up next.
The current Shootout is going to be entering the testing phase soon. Do you plan on starting your tuning phase when that happens or at the conclusion of TimberW's shootout?

 

[Indy Racerfan]

I'm looking forward to some up coming S/O, since surgery my seat time has been increased almost to pre surgery times..

On the break bias issue as stated in some of my tune, I've had a set tuned B/B with a note(..) added set to your liking, as I like a little more rear bias.

Indy

 

[krenkme]

I'm looking forward to some up coming S/O, since surgery my seat time has been increased almost to pre surgery times..

On the break bias issue as stated in some of my tune, I've had a set tuned B/B with a note(..) added set to your liking, as I like a little more rear bias.

Indy

It is a "liking", but if not stated in the rules, it should be run as the tuner presents it with ABS, ASR, TC, Ect. If a tester makes a car to there driving likness then what good is it making the tune? JMO.

20 hours on the road need sleep, sorry if this sounds mean.

EDIT= Good to see you are ready to race Indy, you've been missed 👍

 

[CSLACR]

Sounds like someone just volunteered

Let me know if when you want to be added to the upcoming events list.:tup:👍

Umm errr well....
Ok sure.

Hopefully it will be all of the DLC touring cars, mixed with as many RM's as I can fit in to compete.

For now it can just be listed as...

DLC Touring Cars Vs. RM's.

 

[tris_73]

What do you think about adding in the existing tourers? Like the Atenza, BMW and Altezza...

 

[Indy Racerfan]

What do you think about adding in the existing tourers? Like the Atenza, BMW and Altezza...

I hope so!!!! But someone will forget them...

Indy

 

[CSLACR]

As of now, I have no idea what the specs for the new cars will be, guess we'll know in about 2 days.
The plans I'm developing won't leave room for more than about 15-20 cars, so we'll have to see what we're given. 👍

 

[tris_73]

Fairy snuff. Just a thought. Those types of car seem to have been neglected by the game so far. I had a quick scan down my garage for others of the type last night, and there are quite a few in that category.

 

[CSLACR]

Voting time.

300HP ish for touring/rm cars
450HP ish for touring/rm cars.
600HP ish for touring/rm cars.

There's already a pretty big variety in the cars we already have, and I expect the DLC will be the same. I highly doubt something like the Silvia RM with only 20 front downforce will be able to compare with the higher downforce RM cars, so it'll probably have to be a "bracket" for which some of each will fit.

 

[bigberry]

I think the DLC RX-7 touring car is 459 bhp and 584PP FWIW going by the info in the reveal thread in general discussion.

No details yet on the others.

 

[CSLACR]

I think the DLC RX-7 touring car is 495 bhp FWIW going by the info in the reveal thread in general discussion.

No details yet on the others.

I was thinking they might be mostly to SuperGT spec, or close to, if that's the case, 500HP will probably make the best option, as I definitely want to include as many DLC cars as possible.

 

[bigberry]

Sorry I was too slow to edit my post 459 bhp.

 

[XDesperado67]

Why not make it strictly PP based. Depending on the track/s downforce could be more or less important so people have the choice of more power or more downforce or finding a balance in between.

With your 600PP shootout because of the tracks I was able to use less rear downforce and a lot of HP to have the fastest car on the oval, but that split really hurt me on the road course. The higher downforce cars dominated the road course for the most part and it was a well balanced one that took top spot overall despite not being the fastest on either course.

 

[tris_73]

Voting time.

300HP ish for touring/rm cars
450HP ish for touring/rm cars.
600HP ish for touring/rm cars.

There's already a pretty big variety in the cars we already have, and I expect the DLC will be the same. I highly doubt something like the Silvia RM with only 20 front downforce will be able to compare with the higher downforce RM cars, so it'll probably have to be a "bracket" for which some of each will fit.

What about two classes?

 

[CSLACR]

Appreciate the thoughts guys.

I'm thinking of ideas like "gains from stock settings", or PP based, but with myself trying to find an equal PP for each car ahead of time, for example, 552PP for one car, maybe 555PP for another, etc, to iron out the differences as well, any thoughts on that?

If we go with the "gains from stock" as the measurement of success, it would enable essentially any car to compete, but would then favor cars with bad settings from stock, so I'm a bit tentative to do that.

I've also thought of a possible "team sport" so to speak, dividing half the tuners to RM's, and half to the new DLC as a possibility, though I won't know if that's feasible until we get the new goodies.
Honestly, if it's possible, I really like this idea, but the tuners would have to be "assigned" to a type of car, we can't have people gang up to potentially lop-side the results...

I assume everyone that can will be buying the DLC, and is fairly excited about it as I am, particularly SPA. If you're not familiar, consider it a "short" (3+miles) Nurburgring.
So on that note, I'm considering this to hopefully be a community event, everyone has a say in how it gets laid out, I have no intentions to dictate what group of car people will tune unless they're ok with it.

And there's the potential to divide points, in gains over stock time, and overall time as well, to mix it up even farther.

With the DLC Vs. RM's idea, it would be more "tournament style" meaning the top x amount from each would then go to the final round, where something new is thrown into the mix, possibly reversing who tunes the DLC and who tunes the RM's.

These are all just ideas for now, feel more then welcome to share any and all opinions on these matters, and/or throw more in.

Also don't count the touring cars we already have out, nothing's close to concrete yet.

 

[CyKosis1973]

I assume everyone that can will be buying the DLC, and is fairly excited about it as I am, particularly SPA. If you're not familiar, consider it a "short" (3+miles) Nurburgring.

My tuppence. I like the idea of RM Vs Touring Cars, but it's highly unlikely I'll be parting with my hard earned cash dollars for the forthcoming DLC. I currently see no value in it. So, whilst I'm up for the contest, let's not necessarily do it on the Spa track.

PP balancing might be a tad weird, having just had a quick look on myGranTurismo. Seems like they're a bit all over the place. Maybe something along the lines of drivetrain..?? And of course we don't know anything about the DLC cars yet...

{Cy}

 

[CSLACR]

I've managed to successfully (imo) make groups of cars run pretty equal through separate PP levels for each before, it "should" be achievable with these, at least ones with close or equal downforce.
The only cars hard to do it with are the GT4 cars with entirely to much grip, usually concepts and oddballs.

On DLC, hopefully I didn't assume to much, I really don't have the interest to do it without it being on Spa with the new cars, mostly because they're new, and Spa is my second favorite track there is, so it's kinda like a celebration of Spa to me.

 

[tris_73]

In Amar212's thread about his preview of the DLC, he says that if Spa is enabled in a lounge, anyone joining the lounge can use it.

So as long as you choose an existing car, you should still be able to tune it for Spa if you can find a friend who has the DLC pack, and you both don't mind sharing a space to test cars. 💡

 

[CyKosis1973]

I've managed to successfully (imo) make groups of cars run pretty equal through separate PP levels for each before, it "should" be achievable with these, at least ones with close or equal downforce.
The only cars hard to do it with are the GT4 cars with entirely to much grip, usually concepts and oddballs.

That's good to hear. Looking at the numbers written down is no comparison for taking them to the track.

On DLC, hopefully I didn't assume to much, I really don't have the interest to do it without it being on Spa with the new cars, mostly because they're new, and Spa is my second favorite track there is, so it's kinda like a celebration of Spa to me.

I may have to submit something blind then ... mind you, that might not be any different to my normal submissions anyway However, if the below is the case, then I'll be a happy chappy 👍

In Amar212's thread about his preview of the DLC, he says that if Spa is enabled in a lounge, anyone joining the lounge can use it.

So as long as you choose an existing car, you should still be able to tune it for Spa if you can find a friend who has the DLC pack, and you both don't mind sharing a space to test cars. 💡

{Cy}

 

[CSLACR]

That's good to hear. Looking at the numbers written down is no comparison for taking them to the track.



I may have to submit something blind then ... mind you, that might not be any different to my normal submissions anyway However, if the below is the case, then I'll be a happy chappy 👍

{Cy}

It is currently working for Amar, yes. 👍
I should have mentioned that. You wouldn't be able to tune a DLC car, but could definitely be on the RM side of it.

OR, potentially you could tune a DLC car through someone else that's willing's feedback, just a thought, as it's been done before.

Lastly, yeah if It goes the way of PP, I'll definitely try leveling them through testing, nothing is 100%, but it can be pretty close, it's the oddball cars you sometimes unfortunately just have to throw out, hopefully we don't have many or any of them, but we'll see.
With rally cars it went very well, so I'm hoping that translates here, and it should be easier here, because the rally cars had to be leveled for a bunch of tracks, whereas these only need to be equal at one.

 

[XDesperado67]

Just moved C-ZETA's Rally shootout to the archive list from the current event list.

Added CSLACR's DLC Touring Cars Vs. RM's@SPA to the list of projected events.👍👍

Has anyone heard from DigitalBaka regarding his roadsters @ 450pp event and when he will be starting it/posting an event thread with details?

 

[CyKosis1973]

It is currently working for Amar, yes. 👍
I should have mentioned that. You wouldn't be able to tune a DLC car, but could definitely be on the RM side of it.

OR, potentially you could tune a DLC car through someone else that's willing's feedback, just a thought, as it's been done before.

Lastly, yeah if It goes the way of PP, I'll definitely try leveling them through testing, nothing is 100%, but it can be pretty close, it's the oddball cars you sometimes unfortunately just have to throw out, hopefully we don't have many or any of them, but we'll see.
With rally cars it went very well, so I'm hoping that translates here, and it should be easier here, because the rally cars had to be leveled for a bunch of tracks, whereas these only need to be equal at one.

Went to have a look at Amar's thread, damn those videos of Spa look good. Not sure it's enough to get me to part with my cash yet. I'll wait to see how the rest of the DL content is dealt with, cars, paint, etc. If they're one-hit-wonders, I'll keep my pennies.

Beyond that, I'll stick with the RM cars, there's some nice ones. And I'm sure I can beg some track time off someone. With your shootout being on tarmac, I can do a lot of work elsewhere and see how it translates at Spa.

Has anyone heard from DigitalBaka regarding his roadsters @ 450pp event and when he will be starting it/posting an event thread with details?

I'd like to know more about this one

{Cy}