FITT RUF Challenge

[Soren Jacquet]

so Now I now what I shall do the Next couple of days hehehe . Working hard on the Yellow Bird

 

[CBH]

so Now I now what I shall do the Next couple of days hehehe . Working hard on the Yellow Bird

Paint the Yellow Bird orange so it looks like a carrot .

 

[Soren Jacquet]

Paint the Yellow Bird orange so it looks like a carrot .

DOn´t say that because then I do it heheheh

 

[Pete05]

This looks like a whole lotta fun. I haven't decided where I'm going to participate exactly yet but I'm chewing on it & will let you guys know.

 

[Soren Jacquet]

Car paintet hehehe and YES it is ORANGE now

 

[biffa3]

Looks good @shaunm80 and @Otaliema. Put me down as a tentative tester for all classes please ta.

 

[OdeFinn]

@shaunm80 not bad actually, now have to keep few days break from it, if it gives new ideas on it.

Testing initial tune without ABS, learning track also..

 

[787bcgr]

Put me down as a super sports tuner

 

[CBH]

What about Grip Reduction on Wet Track/Track Edge is it set Low/Real ?.

 

[Pete05]

What about Grip Reduction on Wet Track/Track Edge is it set Low/Real ?.

I would expect the grip reduction setting to reflect all previous FITT events and be set to Real.

 

[CBH]

I would expect the grip reduction setting to reflect all previous FITT events and be set to Real.

It would be nice if they just mention it, because if @shaunm80 does not mention in his post I think it is ok to have it .

 

[Ridox2JZGTE]

@shaunm80 not bad actually, now have to keep few days break from it, if it gives new ideas on it.

Testing initial tune without ABS, learning track also..

Not bad But you may need to go less than 1:31s, I tried my Wangan Midnight BlackBird ( unreleased BTR ver ) detuned power only ( still wangan top speed gearing, only used 4th gear and over 1200Kg), and it did 1:32s . While the CTR replica with only low rpm turbo added ( 540+pp 530+ps - full boost real life power ) 1:32s Both could easily do 1:31 or less. I think the seasoned tuners here will have BTR / CTR with at least 1:31s lap

Will watch the competition Interesting

 

[shaunm80]

It would be nice if they just mention it, because if @shaunm80 does not mention in his post I think it is ok to have it .

One or two things are always missed when trying to document event settings. I have added this to the general rules now. Thanks for letting us know.

 

[CBH]

One or two things are always missed when trying to document event settings. I have added this to the general rules now. Thanks for letting us know.

No problem 👍.

 

[MrGrado]

The RGT'00 barely makes 560pp fully tuned. At the min weight, you need power limiting of 97.3%, this is with 33kg of ballast. With no power limiting you need 80kg of ballast. It might be what your actually looking for though, a class that is almost entirely differentiated by suspension, LSD and gear settings.

 

[shaunm80]

The RGT'00 barely makes 560pp fully tuned. At the min weight, you need power limiting of 97.3%, this is with 33kg of ballast. With no power limiting you need 80kg of ballast. It might be what your actually looking for though, a class that is almost entirely differentiated by suspension, LSD and gear settings.

Okay, you got me. That was the intention for that class. Should make for close battles between tuners which is always good in FITT.

 

[Rotary Junkie]

Not bad But you may need to go less than 1:31s, I tried my Wangan Midnight BlackBird ( unreleased BTR ver ) detuned power only ( still wangan top speed gearing, only used 4th gear and over 1200Kg), and it did 1:32s . While the CTR replica with only low rpm turbo added ( 540+pp 530+ps - full boost real life power ) 1:32s Both could easily do 1:31 or less. I think the seasoned tuners here will have BTR / CTR with at least 1:31s lap

Will watch the competition Interesting

I agree completely here. I'll be willing to enter when my Integra no longer embarrasses my BTR.

 

[OdeFinn]

Not bad But you may need to go less than 1:31s, I tried my Wangan Midnight BlackBird ( unreleased BTR ver ) detuned power only ( still wangan top speed gearing, only used 4th gear and over 1200Kg), and it did 1:32s . While the CTR replica with only low rpm turbo added ( 540+pp 530+ps - full boost real life power ) 1:32s Both could easily do 1:31 or less. I think the seasoned tuners here will have BTR / CTR with at least 1:31s lap

Will watch the competition Interesting

Wouldn't make problem, that was entirely grandma lap without ABS, trying to feel track and car, 1:32 was similar when drove few laps later grandma tour with ABS.
Maybe getting it in shape where average Joe runs lap in that pace too.
Car hasn't any ballast or weight changes.

 

[Frenzyhero]

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[OdeFinn]

You guys don't think you have too much grip? Comforts seem more for RUFs, don't you feel?

Definately too much for street, somewhere close to grippy track tire grip.
But manageable to make smooth for driving without any snapback reactions from rear.
These are the rules, let's play along them.

 

[Ridox2JZGTE]

I agree completely here. I'll be willing to enter when my Integra no longer embarrasses my BTR.

Use the CTR, it's faster than BTR IMO.

Wouldn't make problem, that was entirely grandma lap without ABS, trying to feel track and car, 1:32 was similar when drove few laps later grandma tour with ABS.
Maybe getting it in shape where average Joe runs lap in that pace too.
Car hasn't any ballast or weight changes.

The BTR I drove had 568HP, 1245kg, 40/60, 2.8/2.5 camber, -0.08/0.23 toe, long gearing that tops out 245kmh in the tunnel on 4th gear.
The CTR ( replica setup ) had 526HP, 543PP, 1222kg, 40/60, 1.0/2.0 camber, -0.10/0.05 toe, CTR gear ratio- 3.444 final and already in same pace with BTR with no sweat.


The CTR managed 45s 1st sector, while the BTR did 46.1s. There are a lot of aspect that can be changed to hunt for lap time, from camber, LSD, gear ratios, weight distribution etc. My pace was not for ultimate lap time as well, just trying to enjoy the track

 

[OdeFinn]

The CTR managed 45s 1st sector, while the BTR did 46.1s. There are a lot of aspect that can be changed to hunt for lap time, from camber, LSD, gear ratios, weight distribution etc. My pace was not for ultimate lap time as well, just trying to enjoy the track

My BTR enters tunnel at 243-245kmh
Tune is more or less for Porsche enthusiast tune, if you even think to drive it like ordinary RWD you'll end up against well. Porsches have always "extra reserve" for horses(as well spare rounds on engine), horses what are ment to use only on safe conditions (wide straight), if you try to push those horses on work during cornering you can just cross your hands and pray or BTR will twist and cross them before crushing em.

I'm happy if this tune ends up stable 1:31-1:32 driven with smile on face, it has easy potential for it.

 

[Rotary Junkie]

Use the CTR, it's faster than BTR IMO.

May be. Believe the BTR has more fast hiding in it than most would think, however.

The BTR I drove had 568HP, 1245kg, 40/60, 2.8/2.5 camber, -0.08/0.23 toe, long gearing that tops out 245kmh in the tunnel on 4th gear.
The CTR ( replica setup ) had 526HP, 543PP, 1222kg, 40/60, 1.0/2.0 camber, -0.10/0.05 toe, CTR gear ratio- 3.444 final and already in same pace with BTR with no sweat.


The CTR managed 45s 1st sector, while the BTR did 46.1s. There are a lot of aspect that can be changed to hunt for lap time, from camber, LSD, gear ratios, weight distribution etc. My pace was not for ultimate lap time as well, just trying to enjoy the track

Have managed zero non-throwaway laps at reverse, laps in forward are only beginning to fall anyway, car has much more speed left in it than I've found so far.

My BTR enters tunnel at 243-245kmh
Tune is more or less for Porsche enthusiast tune, if you even think to drive it like ordinary RWD you'll end up against well. Porsches have always "extra reserve" for horses(as well spare rounds on engine), horses what are ment to use only on safe conditions (wide straight), if you try to push those horses on work during cornering you can just cross your hands and pray or BTR will twist and cross them before crushing em.

Mine is very similar, driving it like anything other than "stereotypical Porsche" will result in your swift death. Doesn't help that I'm stuck doing my testing in automatic, the shift point is so high/so far beyond the useful powerband that every upshift results in a torque spike, add the slightly "exciting" power delivery and, well, it's easy to botch a corner.

 

[Otaliema]

Put me down as a super sports tuner

Added sir.

What about Grip Reduction on Wet Track/Track Edge is it set Low/Real ?.

Thank you for the catch, Corrected for Super Sport and Open Track day groups.

 

[Ridox2JZGTE]

My BTR enters tunnel at 243-245kmh
Tune is more or less for Porsche enthusiast tune, if you even think to drive it like ordinary RWD you'll end up against well. Porsches have always "extra reserve" for horses(as well spare rounds on engine), horses what are ment to use only on safe conditions (wide straight), if you try to push those horses on work during cornering you can just cross your hands and pray or BTR will twist and cross them before crushing em.

I'm happy if this tune ends up stable 1:31-1:32 driven with smile on face, it has easy potential for it.

May be. Believe the BTR has more fast hiding in it than most would think, however.



Have managed zero non-throwaway laps at reverse, laps in forward are only beginning to fall anyway, car has much more speed left in it than I've found so far.



Mine is very similar, driving it like anything other than "stereotypical Porsche" will result in your swift death. Doesn't help that I'm stuck doing my testing in automatic, the shift point is so high/so far beyond the useful powerband that every upshift results in a torque spike, add the slightly "exciting" power delivery and, well, it's easy to botch a corner.

I can see death traps potential for testers These cars need good throttle control ( like half to 75% throttle with precision )

Close ratio box may do well at Trial MT reverse, my CTR/ BTR sure was slow on the tunnel

Will be interesting to see if there's any tune with closer to real car rear weight distribution at 60% or with body rigidity improvement ( some of the things that both BTR and CTR had when I drove them )

Got an Integra made long ago ( Spoon ) with full power and it was very quick at Trial Mountain + Reverse on SS, can do both layout at 1:31s with ease on stock gearbox and 530+PP, surprisingly the Integra hit almost the same speeds with BTR and CTR at Trial Mountain Reverse.

 

[shaunm80]

I can see a lot of fun for testers of the old School class. It should be the group with the biggest variation in dc, and lap time, depending on tester adaptability to the individual tuners style.

 

[Rotary Junkie]

I can see death traps potential for testers These cars need good throttle control ( like half to 75% throttle with precision )

On the bright side, if I can drive it with a broken arm, anyone should be able to.

Close ratio box may do well at Trial MT reverse, my CTR/ BTR sure was slow on the tunnel

Close ratio will be the way to roll for anyone who can short shift. I can't, which necessitates wider gearing, which upsets the car more on entry and is slower down straights. At present running a 168mph top speed setting with traditional drag gearbox spacing, though that's subject to change once I'm happier with the handling.

Will be interesting to see if there's any tune with closer to real car rear weight distribution at 60% or with body rigidity improvement ( some of the things that both BTR and CTR had when I drove them )

42/58 here, any further rearward would require ballast. Interesting note, forward ballast may be helpful for taming the car but also allows you to run a higher power to weight.

Got an Integra made long ago ( Spoon ) with full power and it was very quick at Trial Mountain + Reverse on SS, can do both layout at 1:31s with ease on stock gearbox and 530+PP, surprisingly the Integra hit almost the same speeds with BTR and CTR at Trial Mountain Reverse.

The DC5 is no slouch for sure. Also the polar opposite of the Rufs in every way.

 

[Ridox2JZGTE]

Yeah, I made a mistake with sector time, 45s and 46.1s should be for 2nd sector, 1st sector is in 21s region . I also tested with 1140kg on the BTR right after 1245kg, still 40/60 and it did 1:31.076 in 1st lap. I can see at least 0.6s time to be found ( managed 20.4s and 44s sector ) if going for ultimate lap time.

My upshift RPM drop for the BTR is around 5500RPM, so it's quite long way to redline on each gear.

 

[DaBomm4]

Well, for right now you guys can put me down for tentative testing everything, Old School and Open Track for tuning.

 

[xande1959]

Count me in